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2008-01-04 16:32 < Alkivar> thanks mike
2008-01-04 16:32 < Alkivar> what time was that?
2008-01-04 16:33 < Alkivar> trying to figure out when windows crashed
2008-01-04 16:46 < The359> ok, how the hell do I turn off the "Thanks for donating" banner now?
2008-01-04 16:46 < StLemur> Hi everybody. I'm looking for a policy on using Wikinews as a Wikipedia source
2008-01-04 16:48 < geniice> [[WP:RS]]
2008-01-04 16:49 < StLemur> cheers
2008-01-04 16:52 < phed> hay
2008-01-04 16:52 < phed> I'm fairly new to wikipedia editing
2008-01-04 16:53 < phed> So, while I've tried navigating the wikipedia:-space, how do I search it?
2008-01-04 16:53 < phed> I'm trying to look for some arbcom rulings
2008-01-04 16:53 < geniice> generaly by limiting google to wikipedia only and searching from there
2008-01-04 16:54 < StLemur> phed: in google, site:wikipedia.org [search string]
2008-01-04 16:56 < kyevan> Hey, I was just randomly wandering around, and noticed this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rivenicon.png
2008-01-04 16:56 < kyevan> Is it really appropreate for the svg template to be there?
2008-01-04 16:56 < kyevan> (Especially since low-resolution is part of the fair use rational!)
2008-01-04 16:57 < geniice> should not be there
2008-01-04 16:57 < Xihix> Hey guys, whats that one word
2008-01-04 16:58 < Xihix> where you want to say something like
2008-01-04 16:58 < Xihix> his first appearance, and his subsquential appearances
2008-01-04 16:58 < Xihix> It sounds like subsquential, a word I just made up
2008-01-04 16:58 < Xihix> but I'm not sure what it is.
2008-01-04 16:59 < StLemur> subsequent?
2008-01-04 16:59 < Xihix> yes!
2008-01-04 16:59 < Xihix> Thank you.
2008-01-04 17:00 < kyevan> geniice: Can I get some more explicit rational for when it should/shouldn't be used? (I /really/ hate removing things. I know intelectually it's not permenant if I mess up, but tell my gut that :P)
2008-01-04 17:00 < Simon-> [[Crabbing]] is useless
2008-01-04 17:00 < geniice> kyevan directly conflcts with the idea of keeping fair use stuff low res
2008-01-04 17:01 < kyevan> That's what I thought. Mmmkay then :)
2008-01-04 17:02 < TheWeasel> eh...
2008-01-04 17:02 < TheWeasel> Huckabee uses I Like Mike
2008-01-04 17:02 < TheWeasel> that's cheap
2008-01-04 17:04 < NotACow> TheWeasel: he's no eisenhower.
2008-01-04 17:05 < TheWeasel> not by a long-ass shot.
2008-01-04 17:05 < geniice> if an I like ron campain starts up someone is going to get hurt
2008-01-04 17:06 < StLemur> "...and governor, you're no Ron Reagan"
2008-01-04 17:07 < Leslie_S> hmm
2008-01-04 17:09 < TheWeasel> Eisenhower eventually warmed to the Republican party, because he felt that, at the time, the Democratic party was promoting centralized government at the expense of individual liberty, and he also felt in-line with the GOP's conservative values.
2008-01-04 17:09 < TheWeasel> The second part was randomly tagged on
2008-01-04 17:09 < TheWeasel> there was no noticeably more conservative party back then
2008-01-04 17:12 < The359> ouch
2008-01-04 17:12 < The359> the 2008 Dakar Rally has been cancelled
2008-01-04 17:12 < DaveSpart> wiki broken!
2008-01-04 17:12 < DaveSpart> fix wiki
2008-01-04 17:12 < SDragon> status: down
2008-01-04 17:12 < SDragon> :/
2008-01-04 17:12 < TheWeasel> Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno (11) Resource temporarily unavailable at Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:12:38 GMT
2008-01-04 17:12 < TheWeasel> sorry, you beat me
2008-01-04 17:12 < Jonnyvic> -=WIKIPEDIA IS DOWN=-
2008-01-04 17:12 < Jonnyvic> any info?
2008-01-04 17:12 < The359> works for me
2008-01-04 17:13 < DaveSpart> Fout Fel Fallo ?? ?? Erreur Error Fehler ??? Blad Errore Erro Chyba ??????
2008-01-04 17:13 < TheWeasel> oshibka
2008-01-04 17:13 < The359> still working
2008-01-04 17:13 < SDragon> whoaa
2008-01-04 17:13 < DaveSpart> broken in the uk
2008-01-04 17:13 < JoNil> What is up with the servers?
2008-01-04 17:14 < geniice> Fout Fel Fallo 错误 錯誤 Erreur Error Fehler エラー Błąd Errore Erro Chyba Ошибка
2008-01-04 17:14 < SDragon> it's working, but I've got the pages w/ the skin waaaaay back from 2000, or so
2008-01-04 17:14 < Hejsa> Error on Danish
2008-01-04 17:14 < TheWeasel> see, twas "oshibka"
2008-01-04 17:14 < DaveSpart> i bet daniel brandt has finaaly won!!
2008-01-04 17:14 < TheWeasel> back up
2008-01-04 17:14 < DaveSpart> woe is us!
2008-01-04 17:14 < TheWeasel> all's well
2008-01-04 17:14 < Jonnyvic> Working again, thank heavens!
2008-01-04 17:14 < SDragon> works @ .hu
2008-01-04 17:15 < Randomtime> good
2008-01-04 17:15 < Randomtime> phew
2008-01-04 17:15 < DaveSpart> fixed!#
2008-01-04 17:15 < The359> never went down here
2008-01-04 17:15 < SDragon> phew indeed -think what would happen, if google would go offline worldwide, and gave a link to an irc chatroom in it's error message :D
2008-01-04 17:15 < SDragon> massive floooooood
2008-01-04 17:16 < geniice> this is nothing
2008-01-04 17:16 < Randomtime> y?
2008-01-04 17:16 < Randomtime> skype outage?
2008-01-04 17:16 < Jonnyvic> i checked some articles, they still seem to be in place in the same state as before the error happened.
2008-01-04 17:17 < TheWeasel> When Google goes offline, you know life is over.
2008-01-04 17:17 < Randomtime> Edit conflict
2008-01-04 17:17 < Leslie_S> google is out?
2008-01-04 17:17 < Leslie_S> LOL
2008-01-04 17:18 < TheWeasel> no
2008-01-04 17:18 < SDragon> Leslie_S, is it ever?
2008-01-04 17:18 < Randomtime> Talking about short outage of wikipedia, and a link to this irc ~~~@
2008-01-04 17:18 < Leslie_S> SDragon, i have never seen google have an outage in the last 10 years..
2008-01-04 17:18 < TheWeasel> when you can't access Google, you're in North Korea or the problem is on your side.
2008-01-04 17:18 < Randomtime> Lesie_S:they have loads of servers
2008-01-04 17:18 < Leslie_S> SDragon, to be honest, im not sure how long ive been using google, i mustve started around 2000.
2008-01-04 17:18 < TheWeasel> TheWeasel: Which would be the same thing, really
2008-01-04 17:19 < TheWeasel> meh
2008-01-04 17:19 < Leslie_S> Randomtime, but when i started using it, it wasnt popular.
2008-01-04 17:19 < TheWeasel> talking to myself accidentally
2008-01-04 17:19 < SDragon> Leslie_S, I did, twice in 10 years.
2008-01-04 17:19 < Leslie_S> SDragon, i must have looked in the wrong direction.
2008-01-04 17:20 < SDragon> Leslie_S, or I'm living in a country in the middle of nowhere (hungary), where even google is out not one, but two(!) times every decade!
2008-01-04 17:20 < jtizzle1854> i was wondering does michael jackson have vitiligo (a skin disorder making you have white colored skin) or does he just bleach his skin and he says he has it?
2008-01-04 17:20 < Cyrius> unknown.
2008-01-04 17:21 < TheWeasel> He was black until about 1985 I'd say
2008-01-04 17:22 < Randomtime> Grr, I hate it when people create articles just to get rid of red links
2008-01-04 17:22 < phed> hmmm. why are the "rational skeptics" so concerned about pseudoscience?
2008-01-04 17:22 < Leslie_S> jtizzle1854, theres an article about this.
2008-01-04 17:22 < Randomtime> and just leave a blank article with perhaps a cat
2008-01-04 17:22 < phed> I thought rational skepticism was about applying skepticism towards ALL science
2008-01-04 17:22 < Leslie_S> jtizzle1854, [[Michael Jackson's appearance]]
2008-01-04 17:22 < phed> especially the established
2008-01-04 17:23 < Leslie_S> jtizzle1854, that link doesnt work, hmmm.
2008-01-04 17:23 < FastLizard4> Don't tell me the toolserver is down yet again...
2008-01-04 17:23 < TheWeasel> If you doubt established science, Wikipedia is the perfect outlet.
2008-01-04 17:23 < gwern> 'Oh god. Yeah, this is an XKCD joke, which is a webcomic for people with nerdy dispositions and no social skills. I, of course, read it voraciously, just before I translate it into Klingon and cry myself to sleep.' <-- win
2008-01-04 17:23 < Leslie_S> wtf? was the article deleted?
2008-01-04 17:23 < phed> TheWeasel: Well, it seems the "skeptics" as they call themselves are quite militant
2008-01-04 17:24 < jtizzle1854> an article on wikipedia?
2008-01-04 17:24 < TheWeasel> Boy howdy, are they ever
2008-01-04 17:24 < phed> TheWeasel: I love cutting edge science, especially as more and more scientists are turning holistic over here in norway (because skeptical rationalism isn't popular here anymore)
2008-01-04 17:24 < TheWeasel> "I don't really see my friends anymore," she said. "My new friends are the Ron Paul Meetup group."
2008-01-04 17:24 < TheWeasel> That's disturbing
2008-01-04 17:24 < gwern> http://www.flickr.com/photos/afroswede/22237769/ <-- can't touch this
2008-01-04 17:24 < geniice> phed suits me the chemists will take over their abandoned labs
2008-01-04 17:24 < phed> TheWeasel: The leading direction here is pluralistic science, which states that there should be parallell sciences instead of a fight for paradigms
2008-01-04 17:25 * TheWeasel supports sanity in science
2008-01-04 17:25 < Leslie_S> wtf? [[Physical appearance of Michael Jackson]] was merged into a very tiny section in [[Michael jackson]]
2008-01-04 17:25 < Leslie_S> we used to have a nice article about his appearance.
2008-01-04 17:25 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-04 17:25 < jtizzle1854> well since you read it what did it say?
2008-01-04 17:25 < The359> not really deserving of its own article, frankly
2008-01-04 17:26 < NicholasT> Leslie_S: Hey there
2008-01-04 17:26 < The359> Can't you read, jtizzle1854?
2008-01-04 17:26 < gwern> apparently michael jackson is not notable
2008-01-04 17:26 < Leslie_S> NicholasT, heya
2008-01-04 17:27 < jtizzle1854> of course i can read
2008-01-04 17:28 < geniice> phed oh well I'll take the real science paradigm and that nice lab you are not useing any more. Going to be doinbg some slfur chemistry so you might want to quit the building
2008-01-04 17:28 < TheWeasel> Am I Elvis or what?
2008-01-04 17:28 < Leslie_S> and why on earth did michael jackson want a cleft chin?
2008-01-04 17:28 < gwern> TheWeasel: no. not fat enuff
2008-01-04 17:28 * TheWeasel believes there's science full stop.
2008-01-04 17:28 < phed> geniice, what you say?
2008-01-04 17:29 < phed> geniice: I just don't think critical rationalism produces more empirical evidence; it rather supresses it through politics
2008-01-04 17:29 < TheWeasel> explain
2008-01-04 17:30 < jtizzle1854> so do you think michael jackson have vitiligo Leslie or he just says that and he bleaches his skin?
2008-01-04 17:30 < geniice> phed you've never been in a journal libiary?
2008-01-04 17:30 < phed> ie. studies shows that meta-analysises are statistically unsafe
2008-01-04 17:30 * TheWeasel believes the Ron Paul supporter quote up there was quite well timed
2008-01-04 17:30 < geniice> phed that depends
2008-01-04 17:31 < TheWeasel> How can those studies be safe if meta-analyses are unsafe?
2008-01-04 17:31 < jtizzle1854> huh leslie?
2008-01-04 17:31 < phed> TheWeasel: That's a fun point ;)
2008-01-04 17:31 < jtizzle1854> so do you think michael jackson have vitiligo Leslie or he just says that and he bleaches his skin?
2008-01-04 17:31 < geniice> phed for a meta-analyses to work certian assumptions have to be true if they are not you have a problem
2008-01-04 17:32 < phed> and perhaps a hint that meta-analysis using statistical tools to produce its results are problematic. I rather have hermenautic interpretation over statistics any day.
2008-01-04 17:32 < geniice> fortunetly meta-analyses plays only a very small role in chemistry
2008-01-04 17:32 < phed> geniice: Yeah, chemistry are one of the saner sciences imo
2008-01-04 17:33 < geniice> phed you've never looked at the yield numbers in organic synthesis papers?
2008-01-04 17:33 < phed> geniice: Nope. what is that?
2008-01-04 17:33 * TheWeasel thinks that paradigm leads to arbitrariness
2008-01-04 17:33 * TheWeasel goes back to disproving the Riemann hypothesis
2008-01-04 17:33 < geniice> phed they tend to have only a passing resembalnce to reality
2008-01-04 17:34 < phed> geniice: Hmm, how?
2008-01-04 17:34 < phed> I love anamolies :D
2008-01-04 17:34 < geniice> TheWeasel everyone working in number theory over the age of about 40 will hate you if you do
2008-01-04 17:34 < jtizzle1854> hey leslie you there?
2008-01-04 17:34 < geniice> phed usual way you run the experiment several times round up a bit and take the highest number
2008-01-04 17:34 < TheWeasel> I'm only in it for the short-term publicity
2008-01-04 17:35 < geniice> phed of course given the errors in organic yields 20% either way means very little
2008-01-04 17:35 < phed> mm
2008-01-04 17:36 < phed> I'm thinking of educating myself in a field which scientists hate. hermaunetic story telling :D
2008-01-04 17:36 < geniice> Hermeneutics does not produce a robust argument or a fully consistant model. statitics can
2008-01-04 17:36 < phed> Basically it is on how to acquire knowledge and retelling it. But with pragmatic relativism in the botom :P
2008-01-04 17:37 < phed> I don't feel statistics are robust
2008-01-04 17:37 < geniice> they are
2008-01-04 17:37 < phed> they are inherently lossy
2008-01-04 17:37 < geniice> nope
2008-01-04 17:37 < phed> well, you do have superstatistics, but they are rarely applied
2008-01-04 17:38 < geniice> accept 1+1=2 and 0+1=1 and you have to accept stats
2008-01-04 17:38 < phed> bs
2008-01-04 17:38 < phed> statistics always reduces a big dataset into a smaller dataset
2008-01-04 17:38 < phed> and thus loses data
2008-01-04 17:38 < Messedrocker> it's like lossy compression
2008-01-04 17:39 < geniice> no there are way to use states without reduceing the dataset. not very useful but posible
2008-01-04 17:39 < phed> Messedrocker, the same information theory applies, yes
2008-01-04 17:39 < phed> it is just that statistics are "easy to understand"
2008-01-04 17:39 < phed> it is a human fallacy
2008-01-04 17:40 < geniice> statistics are designed to be understandable
2008-01-04 17:40 < phed> that's what I am saying
2008-01-04 17:40 < geniice> 100,000,000 datapoints are not usefuly understandable
2008-01-04 17:41 < geniice> well not for humans
2008-01-04 17:41 < geniice> statistics can tell us about those datapoints in a way we can understand
2008-01-04 17:41 < phed> yes, I don't argue against that
2008-01-04 17:42 < phed> but statistics can be very misleading, or leave out valuable data
2008-01-04 17:42 < geniice> in a way that is mathmaticaly sound
2008-01-04 17:42 < Random832|zzz> geniice: 1+1=1 and 0+1=2
2008-01-04 17:42 < phed> ie. statistics are horrible for finding anamolies or causation
2008-01-04 17:42 < Random832|zzz> 0.6+0.6=1.2, 0.4+1.4=1.8
2008-01-04 17:42 < phed> 1+1=1 when +=*
2008-01-04 17:43 < Random832|zzz> 1+1=1 when + is boolean OR
2008-01-04 17:43 < The359> 0.99999... + 0 = 1 !
2008-01-04 17:43 < phed> :(
2008-01-04 17:43 < geniice> phed statics is great for finding anamolies. you just just ask what datapoints do not have certian statistical characteristics
2008-01-04 17:43 < phed> The359, I hate that one. Epsilon damnit
2008-01-04 17:44 < geniice> 1 ! = 1
2008-01-04 17:44 < phed> geniice: they are usually drowning in the noise
2008-01-04 17:45 < geniice> phed not anamolies then just a part of normal random distribution
2008-01-04 17:45 < phed> well, it really depends geniice
2008-01-04 17:46 < phed> I just find applying statistics onto knowledge is a huge huge mistake
2008-01-04 17:46 < phed> well, perhaps not
2008-01-04 17:46 < geniice> I find that it works
2008-01-04 17:46 < phed> but believing it strongly is
2008-01-04 17:46 < phed> I rather take a scientists subjective analysis on his field than a meta-analysis
2008-01-04 17:47 < geniice> subjective judments have a rather high tendancy to turn out to be false
2008-01-04 17:48 < geniice> humans are too open to too many sorts of bias
2008-01-04 17:48 < phed> but statistics are worse :)
2008-01-04 17:48 < geniice> no
2008-01-04 17:48 < phed> yes
2008-01-04 17:48 < geniice> statistics can't want a certian result
2008-01-04 17:48 < phed> of course on hard data statistics is useful
2008-01-04 17:48 < phed> oh, yes they can
2008-01-04 17:49 < geniice> equations don't care
2008-01-04 17:49 < phed> as soon as you start filtering data to "weed out errors" you are applying moral to the data
2008-01-04 17:49 < phed> and if you have ever worked with databases you know that filtering is pretty much the same as introducing errors
2008-01-04 17:50 < phed> ie. in graphics that is especially easy to notice
2008-01-04 17:50 < geniice> there are solid statistical ways to weed out errors
2008-01-04 17:50 < phed> and a normal distribution on sound/graphics will filter out tendencies
2008-01-04 17:51 < geniice> stats does not require a normal distribution
2008-01-04 17:51 < phed> as a chemist you should know the difference between theory and practice
2008-01-04 17:51 < geniice> nore does assumeing one filter out tendencies
2008-01-04 17:51 < gwern> you can filter stuff out, as long as you're confident of your probability distributions...
2008-01-04 17:51 < geniice> spearman's rank for example does not require a normal distribution
2008-01-04 17:52 < phed> gwern: "confident" is key there
2008-01-04 17:52 < phed> ie. you can't use statistics to figure out what is lewd or not lewd books
2008-01-04 17:52 < phed> yet some people believe that
2008-01-04 17:53 < geniice> phed prove it
2008-01-04 17:53 < gwern> no, you need neural imaging to determine arousal for that :)
2008-01-04 17:53 < geniice> gwern strangely no
2008-01-04 17:53 < phed> geniice: hard science can't do that. :)
2008-01-04 17:53 < phed> question
2008-01-04 17:54 < geniice> can't do it yet
2008-01-04 17:54 < phed> I'm a bit of a newbie on editing wikipedia
2008-01-04 17:54 < geniice> gwern standard attack line is to compare it to a set of books with a know degree of ledness
2008-01-04 17:54 < geniice> lewdness
2008-01-04 17:54 < Doc_glasgow> Does anyone have access to the Oxford DNB, and the willingness to access an article and copy it to me?
2008-01-04 17:54 < gwern> geniice: are you sure? I could've sworn I read of a number of studies of sexuality which measured arousal
2008-01-04 17:54 < geniice> gwern well you could do it like that
2008-01-04 17:54 < phed> and some ip just reverted my undo (asking for VP:V).
2008-01-04 17:55 < phed> I should have asked VP:BLP as well
2008-01-04 17:55 < phed> but he just undid my undo : \
2008-01-04 17:55 < gwern> DNB?
2008-01-04 17:55 < phed> how do I handle that?
2008-01-04 17:55 < SpringOfNations2> chill
2008-01-04 17:55 < SpringOfNations2> for 24 hrs
2008-01-04 17:55 < Luna-San> phed: Generally, either try and get discussion going, or try and get more people involved, probably.
2008-01-04 17:55 < Doc_glasgow> gwern: Dictionary of National Biography, most UK institutions have on-line access
2008-01-04 17:56 < Doc_glasgow> http://oxforddnb.com/
2008-01-04 17:56 < phed> "Sheldrake holds no university faculty position, he self-publishes his work in books rather than scientific journals, and this is rarely (if ever) cited by scientists." - A simple scholar search shows ONE of his books to be cited 24 times, and a cursory looks in respected sources. : \
2008-01-04 17:57 < phed> yeah, I'll try some discussion :)
2008-01-04 17:58 * TheWeasel conducts an ad-homonym attack
2008-01-04 17:58 < geniice> phed oh that fool
2008-01-04 17:59 < phed> yeah, he's not popular :P
2008-01-04 17:59 < phed> but granted, he is into topics where science has no answers anyway
2008-01-04 17:59 < geniice> he's also wrong which is worse
2008-01-04 17:59 < phed> exactly
2008-01-04 17:59 * TheWeasel therefore shoots self for punning
2008-01-04 17:59 < geniice> science has lots of answers in that area
2008-01-04 18:00 < Lycurgus> if science (sutiable extended and in principle) has no answers about it, then by definition you can't be wrong about it
2008-01-04 18:00 < Lycurgus> *suitablye
2008-01-04 18:00 < Lycurgus> *suitably
2008-01-04 18:01 < Luna-San> ./nick Science
2008-01-04 18:01 < ocee> anyone know how to send private messages?
2008-01-04 18:01 < ocee> i thought it was /privmsg send nick (message)
2008-01-04 18:02 < ocee> apparently not, though :/
2008-01-04 18:02 < Cyrius> /msg nick thingy
2008-01-04 18:02 < phed> geniice: so, what explains (mainstream) "Morphogenetic fields"? the wikipedia article does not do so at least.
2008-01-04 18:02 < Doc_glasgow> ocee: /msg nick
2008-01-04 18:02 < Cyrius> morphogen...what?
2008-01-04 18:02 < Random832|zzz> i've been an admin for about a month and a half now - how am i doing? any opinions?
2008-01-04 18:02 < Cyrius> we do not live on the discworld.
2008-01-04 18:02 < ocee> Doc_glasgow and Cyrius thanks!
2008-01-04 18:02 < phed> Lycurgus: Depends on what scientific philosophy you subscribe to
2008-01-04 18:02 < phed> Cyrius, the fact that cells change behaviour according to what part of the body they grow in
2008-01-04 18:02 < geniice> phed various posible biochemical signals
2008-01-04 18:03 < phed> geniice: possibly
2008-01-04 18:03 < besturl> Do you want to see video and picture of nude celebrities with a forum 100% free !!! just click there => http://www.besturl.org/forum
2008-01-04 18:03 < phed> geniice: that's the Ph.D of the late beneviste btw, before he became unpopular.
2008-01-04 18:03 < Aqwis> no thank you
2008-01-04 18:03 < Lycurgus> B<
2008-01-04 18:03 < Cyrius> besturl: FOAD, kthx.
2008-01-04 18:03 < geniice> phed the guy who failed at double blind?
2008-01-04 18:03 < phed> geniice: yeah.
2008-01-04 18:04 * Cyrius wonders why it hasn't died yet
2008-01-04 18:04 < phed> geniice: ie. his research was spawned on the fact that allergy reacts faster than chemicals travels
2008-01-04 18:04 < geniice> so do nerve signals this is well known
2008-01-04 18:04 < Lycurgus> phed: you're not a native speaker of English are you?
2008-01-04 18:04 < phed> geniice: and hence that there has to be some other mechanism than chemicals
2008-01-04 18:05 < phed> Lycurgus, nope
2008-01-04 18:05 < Random832> !op kick besturl
2008-01-04 18:05 < geniice> yes charge transfer
2008-01-04 18:05 < Wizardman> !question. If I say someone's coming to the US from Belgium, are they immigrating or emigrating?
2008-01-04 18:05 < Random832> Wizardman: they're emigrating from belgium, immigrating to the US
2008-01-04 18:05 < Aqwis> they're migrating
2008-01-04 18:05 < Wizardman> k, thank you
2008-01-04 18:05 * Cyrius is very slow =(
2008-01-04 18:05 < geniice> phed well that and I suspect he has no idea how fast chemicals move
2008-01-04 18:05 < Lycurgus> "spawned" was a wrong word, I think I've seen you/and other others misuse it before
2008-01-04 18:06 < phed> geniice: well, that was his empirical proof for his older research
2008-01-04 18:06 < phed> geniice: not contested science
2008-01-04 18:06 < FastLizard4> What was all that banning?
2008-01-04 18:06 < geniice> he wasn't a physical chemist
2008-01-04 18:06 < phed> geniice: no, he was a molecular biologist afair
2008-01-04 18:06 < Lycurgus> lookd like a spammer
2008-01-04 18:07 < geniice> phed so speed of chemical movement is really not his area
2008-01-04 18:07 < phed> geniice: you have no reason to doubt that
2008-01-04 18:07 < geniice> phed I do
2008-01-04 18:07 < phed> oh, why?
2008-01-04 18:08 < geniice> phed because I do know a bit about the speed of chemicals
2008-01-04 18:08 < phed> and?
2008-01-04 18:08 < phed> does it travel the distance of the body in 1 sec?
2008-01-04 18:08 < geniice> remeber normal disribution results in some of them moveing very fast
2008-01-04 18:08 < geniice> 2 meters a second is rather slow
2008-01-04 18:08 < phed> well, compare to poisoning
2008-01-04 18:08 < geniice> gasses move faster than that all the time
2008-01-04 18:09 < Lycurgus> thru the human body?
2008-01-04 18:09 < Lycurgus> 2 meters?
2008-01-04 18:09 < geniice> phed cab't differnt mechanism
2008-01-04 18:09 < phed> geniice: this is through the body, not air
2008-01-04 18:09 < Lycurgus> per second?
2008-01-04 18:09 < Random832> if this rollback proposal fails, I am going to nominate ClueBot for RFA
2008-01-04 18:09 < Ceiling_Cat> hello all
2008-01-04 18:09 < geniice> Lycurgus some yes see particles in solition behave somewhat gaslike
2008-01-04 18:09 < FastLizard4> ?
2008-01-04 18:10 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-01-04 18:10 * FastLizard4 morphs into Big-Brother so he can watch Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-04 18:10 < Ceiling_Cat> every time you look at ceiling cat, god kills a million humans
2008-01-04 18:10 < Ceiling_Cat> please, think of the humans
2008-01-04 18:10 * Big-Brother watches Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-04 18:10 < Lycurgus> yes but the body is not a simple (or even a complex) liquid it's a highly complex structure and unless we'ree
2008-01-04 18:11 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Noosphere <-- I smell a sock
2008-01-04 18:11 < Lycurgus> talking about some special structure that is coiled or wound up allowing such a passage dunno see how
2008-01-04 18:11 < phed> geniice, I believe a molecular biologist is better at the speed of particles in the body than you are
2008-01-04 18:11 < phed> oh god Bible Camp makes me sad... (it's on tv)
2008-01-04 18:11 < geniice> phed Why speed of particles is not something they normaly have to worry about
2008-01-04 18:12 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-04 18:12 < phed> geniice: So how do allergic reactions trigger the whole body if it is not chemical signals? that's an unexplained mechanism
2008-01-04 18:12 < Lycurgus> now *a signal* could travel that fast, but a particle that distance? Also that speed for a shorter distaance, np.
2008-01-04 18:12 < White_Cat> socksmeeling?
2008-01-04 18:12 * Big-Brother watches all of the cats
2008-01-04 18:12 < Lycurgus> faster for that matter
2008-01-04 18:12 < Ceiling_Cat> phed - that sounds more like physical chemistry, actually
2008-01-04 18:12 < White_Cat> I thought you were watching
2008-01-04 18:12 < Ceiling_Cat> pchem = HARD
2008-01-04 18:12 < phed> geniice: and you can't argue empirical problems :)
2008-01-04 18:13 < geniice> phed humans have electical pathways nerve signal move faster than chemical maction alone would allow
2008-01-04 18:13 < gwern> why should I? what have thehumans done for me?
2008-01-04 18:13 < phed> geniice: yes. but allergic reactions are not triggered by the nerve system
2008-01-04 18:14 < gwern> (lately, I mean)
2008-01-04 18:14 < Lycurgus> nasty hoomans
2008-01-04 18:14 < FastLizard4> physics in phun
2008-01-04 18:14 < geniice> but in this case I suspect it is due to underestimateing the speed of chemical signaling
2008-01-04 18:14 < FastLizard4> s/in/is
2008-01-04 18:14 < Ceiling_Cat> the speed of human nerve signaling is known
2008-01-04 18:14 < Ceiling_Cat> I remember learning it in my biomed engineering class
2008-01-04 18:14 < Ceiling_Cat> I think it's somewhere on the order of 50 kph
2008-01-04 18:14 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat well
2008-01-04 18:14 < Lycurgus> Nasty Hooomans, Ms. Jackson is calling you ooo ooo
2008-01-04 18:15 < FastLizard4> Ceiling_Cat: I believe it is around 200 Mi/Hr
2008-01-04 18:15 < White_Cat> if a human grows taller than 50 kilometers
2008-01-04 18:15 < White_Cat> that may be a problem
2008-01-04 18:15 < Ceiling_Cat> FastLizard4 - I think that's too high (same order as mine though)
2008-01-04 18:15 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-04 18:15 < White_Cat> you particularly busy?
2008-01-04 18:15 < geniice> realisticaly the body can signal faster than it can react so measure the spread of an alergic reation is largly meaninless
2008-01-04 18:16 < White_Cat> geniice well
2008-01-04 18:16 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - I am on dial up
2008-01-04 18:16 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat meaning unbusy?
2008-01-04 18:16 < Ceiling_Cat> which effectively makes me unable to do anything
2008-01-04 18:16 < geniice> White_Cat you get around it by useing slightly different cells designs
2008-01-04 18:16 < White_Cat> I want to pm you a matter
2008-01-04 18:16 < White_Cat> you can act later :)
2008-01-04 18:16 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - no PMing -- I'm not using a real IRC client eitehr
2008-01-04 18:16 < White_Cat> aw
2008-01-04 18:16 < geniice> this is important when you want to add a biological component to your space elivator
2008-01-04 18:16 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat on a deserted island with a mac?
2008-01-04 18:17 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway
2008-01-04 18:17 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - at my girlfriend's house actually
2008-01-04 18:17 < Lycurgus> or you can act stoopid but ya doesn't have to call me "Johnson"!
2008-01-04 18:17 < White_Cat> you particularly busy?
2008-01-04 18:17 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat well
2008-01-04 18:17 < Ceiling_Cat> I can see your PMs
2008-01-04 18:17 < Lycurgus> s/can/can call me/
2008-01-04 18:17 < Ceiling_Cat> but I am not registered so I cannot respond
2008-01-04 18:17 < White_Cat> thats like a dessert island?
2008-01-04 18:17 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat okay
2008-01-04 18:17 < White_Cat> then hear me out :)
2008-01-04 18:18 < Ceiling_Cat> (I don't trust the Java IRC proxy I'm using not to sniff my password)
2008-01-04 18:18 < FastLizard4> Ceiling_Cat: It shouldn't... (results not guaranteed)
2008-01-04 18:19 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I also was wondering if you could checkuser abrcom election votes
2008-01-04 18:19 < White_Cat> for sockpuppets
2008-01-04 18:19 < FastLizard4> White_Cat: That's an interesting idea
2008-01-04 18:19 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - no
2008-01-04 18:19 < Ceiling_Cat> There's *WAY* too many people there
2008-01-04 18:19 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat yes
2008-01-04 18:19 < FastLizard4> White_Cat: You'd first have to get rid of the privacy policy
2008-01-04 18:19 < White_Cat> thats another reason why people may have used sockpuppets
2008-01-04 18:20 < White_Cat> FastLizard4 no
2008-01-04 18:20 < White_Cat> PP does not restrict checkusers at all
2008-01-04 18:20 < White_Cat> they cant release private data
2008-01-04 18:20 < White_Cat> thats all the real restriction
2008-01-04 18:20 < White_Cat> even that restriction is void on abuse
2008-01-04 18:20 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat it would reinforce community trust on arbcom elections if such a check was made
2008-01-04 18:20 < Lycurgus> you could make a temp channel like #illshowumine and do it there
2008-01-04 18:21 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - I am aware that the PP places no limitations on the use of checkuser -- only release
2008-01-04 18:22 < White_Cat> yes
2008-01-04 18:22 < White_Cat> I was telling that to FastLizard4 :)
2008-01-04 18:22 < Ceiling_Cat> howerver, I am not doing it unless there is a credible, specific reason to suspect one (or a small number of people) of sockpuppetry
2008-01-04 18:22 < FastLizard4> White_Cat: Acknowledged
2008-01-04 18:22 < phed> bah, I wish editing by unregistered users was completely removed. It serves little purpose :(
2008-01-04 18:22 < Aqwis> you have no idea, phed
2008-01-04 18:23 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat its a vote, and an important one. Ceiling_Cat I cant give evidence of foul play on a vote.
2008-01-04 18:23 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: not particuarly busy. I have to restart my display manager, and I'll be back in two or three minutes.
2008-01-04 18:23 < Aqwis> how much of the content is created by anons
2008-01-04 18:23 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway okay
2008-01-04 18:23 < phed> Aqwis, I'm starting to already. On my 3rd day of trying to be an editor.
2008-01-04 18:23 < White_Cat> I'll be waiting
2008-01-04 18:23 < phed> Aqwis, I hope I am going by this correctly. But WP:BLP violation is not good.
2008-01-04 18:23 < Aqwis> phed, we shouldn't get rid of thousands of potential contributors just because of vandalism
2008-01-04 18:24 < Aqwis> WP:BLP violations can be taken care of
2008-01-04 18:24 < phed> Aqwis: Well, I wonder if there has been any attempt to test the value of edits by unregistered users
2008-01-04 18:24 < Aqwis> there have been studies
2008-01-04 18:25 < Aqwis> i don't have the link, but a large chunk of our content was and is created by anons
2008-01-04 18:25 < Luna-San> If it's any consolation, I doubt I'd have joined up when I did, if anon editing were disabled.
2008-01-04 18:25 < phed> mm, right. I remember
2008-01-04 18:26 < Retsbol> just read recentchanges for a bit
2008-01-04 18:26 < Aqwis> it's true that they also do most of the vandalism but that.. shouldn't be a problem
2008-01-04 18:26 < Retsbol> i thought i'd patrol some anon edits and was expecting the irc feed to be a barrage of anon vandalism
2008-01-04 18:26 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-04 18:27 < White_Cat> how difficult is it to check a long list of users?
2008-01-04 18:27 < White_Cat> hello Tony_Sidaway
2008-01-04 18:27 < White_Cat> I'll pm
2008-01-04 18:27 < Retsbol> but you actually find that even if you only pick the anons with suspicious edit summaries and data removed/added that just as much is helpful edits
2008-01-04 18:29 < Retsbol> White_Cat: if i were involved in the arbcom election process i would abstain if i knew i was going to be checkusered for the fun of it
2008-01-04 18:29 < Ceiling_Cat> http://xkcd.com/364/
2008-01-04 18:29 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-01-04 18:29 < LawrenceWCohen> is it Friday evening yet?
2008-01-04 18:29 < Pilotguy> /time
2008-01-04 18:29 < Retsbol> wp is a community with a not-insignificant foundation of trust
2008-01-04 18:29 < Ceiling_Cat> LawrenceWCohen - yes
2008-01-04 18:30 < Ceiling_Cat> ...a joke on a geek could love
2008-01-04 18:30 < White_Cat> Retsbol you are trusted yes
2008-01-04 18:30 < Pilotguy> LawrenceWCohen- According to you it almost is
2008-01-04 18:30 < White_Cat> that doesnt mean there are idiots out there that make disruptive edits
2008-01-04 18:30 < Retsbol> okay so let's start with a motive here
2008-01-04 18:30 < LawrenceWCohen> Pilotguy: each minute is 5 seconds longer than the one that proceeded it today, feels like
2008-01-04 18:30 < phed> Retsbol, yeah. I guess it is because I am mostly watching controversial stuff :)
2008-01-04 18:31 < Pilotguy> feh, not anymore for me
2008-01-04 18:31 < phed> Retsbol, and on controversial topics the majority has no idea what they are talking about. :)
2008-01-04 18:31 < Pilotguy> College kinda throws all of that out the window
2008-01-04 18:31 < Retsbol> why the hell would anybody be so persuaded to try to sway the vote for a wikipedian already carrying a certain amount of community support?
2008-01-04 18:31 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat does that qualify me as a geek?
2008-01-04 18:31 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat and how do you sign an RSS public key, doesnt that corrupt it?
2008-01-04 18:31 < Pilotguy> Retsbol- Welcome to Wikipedia!
2008-01-04 18:32 < White_Cat> Retsbol there are people with multiple accounts
2008-01-04 18:32 < Retsbol> i'm aware of that
2008-01-04 18:32 < White_Cat> for example [[User:Lakers]]
2008-01-04 18:32 < White_Cat> I was going to nominate him for adminship
2008-01-04 18:32 < Retsbol> i wasn't aware of it being a pivotal issue in the arbcom elections
2008-01-04 18:32 < White_Cat> he was blocked
2008-01-04 18:32 < White_Cat> Retsbol it isnt necesarily a problem
2008-01-04 18:32 < Retsbol> people seem to forget that this is a wiki
2008-01-04 18:33 < Retsbol> assume good faith guys
2008-01-04 18:33 < White_Cat> Retsbol right
2008-01-04 18:33 < Retsbol> if an anon edits and it's vandalism, fine, ban them if you like
2008-01-04 18:33 < White_Cat> Retsbol but if he registers 40 accounts
2008-01-04 18:33 < Retsbol> if an admin turns out bad once in a while, so what
2008-01-04 18:33 < White_Cat> and edit from them in slow pace dont
2008-01-04 18:33 < LawrenceWCohen> why on earth would you need 40?
2008-01-04 18:33 < White_Cat> Retsbol the issue doesnt involve admins
2008-01-04 18:34 < White_Cat> LawrenceWCohen to affect arbcom elections
2008-01-04 18:34 < Retsbol> arbitrators
2008-01-04 18:34 < White_Cat> 40 sockpuppet votes
2008-01-04 18:34 < Retsbol> next stage up...
2008-01-04 18:34 < LawrenceWCohen> ah
2008-01-04 18:34 < Retsbol> tbh
2008-01-04 18:34 < LawrenceWCohen> stupid. did someone get caught out on that on this election?
2008-01-04 18:34 < White_Cat> NYB's vote had 400ish support votes
2008-01-04 18:34 < Retsbol> what's the minimum editcount to vote in the arbcoms?
2008-01-04 18:34 < LawrenceWCohen> retsbol: 400?
2008-01-04 18:34 < White_Cat> Retsbol its there to prevent new users to vote
2008-01-04 18:34 < Ceiling_Cat> 150, I think
2008-01-04 18:34 < Retsbol> precisely
2008-01-04 18:34 < White_Cat> its a ridiclously low number
2008-01-04 18:34 < White_Cat> I can make 150 edits in an hour
2008-01-04 18:34 < LawrenceWCohen> isn't 150 low? you can do that honestly in 4-5 hours
2008-01-04 18:35 < bishonen> 150 in mainspace, that is
2008-01-04 18:35 < White_Cat> I do 150 edits in less than an hour
2008-01-04 18:35 < Ceiling_Cat> I think there's also a one week minimum, or something
2008-01-04 18:35 < Ceiling_Cat> BISHY!
2008-01-04 18:35 < White_Cat> bishonen in the mainspace
2008-01-04 18:35 < bishonen> hello LawrenceWCohen
2008-01-04 18:35 < LawrenceWCohen> hello Bish
2008-01-04 18:35 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Bishy
2008-01-04 18:35 < Retsbol> tbh, if somebody makes 6000 edits to wikipedia to get 40 votes in an arbcom election, they probably deserve it
2008-01-04 18:35 < bishonen> hiya Raul
2008-01-04 18:35 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat if I create 40 accounts now
2008-01-04 18:35 < White_Cat> with 150 edits each
2008-01-04 18:35 < White_Cat> I can get something like 40 edits on the next election
2008-01-04 18:35 < White_Cat> that has a lot of weight
2008-01-04 18:35 < White_Cat> some votes had about 200 votes
2008-01-04 18:35 < bishonen> White_Cat: Ceiling_Cat is busy, lol. with the huggling.
2008-01-04 18:36 < Retsbol> White_Cat: sure, and are they not nice guys?
2008-01-04 18:36 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat there are dedicated idiots like that
2008-01-04 18:36 < White_Cat> Retsbol people with 40 accounts are flaming trolls
2008-01-04 18:36 < Ceiling_Cat> http://gawker.com/340814/wikinerds-take-over-the-real-world
2008-01-04 18:36 < Ceiling_Cat> Teeheee
2008-01-04 18:36 < White_Cat> who had been blocked numerous times
2008-01-04 18:36 < LawrenceWCohen> are they like the Naders of arbcom?
2008-01-04 18:36 < Retsbol> White_Cat: WP:NOT a meritocracy
2008-01-04 18:37 < Retsbol> i don't really care if somebody is a flaming troll or not if they improve mainspace articles in 600 ways
2008-01-04 18:37 < Retsbol> 6000*
2008-01-04 18:37 < White_Cat> Retsbol I think I am done with you
2008-01-04 18:37 < Doc_glasgow> Retsbol: isn't that WP:MEDIOCRITY
2008-01-04 18:37 < Retsbol> if somebody smells a fish over an elected or disqualified arbitrator, fine, give me that in writng
2008-01-04 18:37 < bishonen> Retsbol: flaming trolling isn't that improving, usually.
2008-01-04 18:38 < Luna-San> But it sometimes is? o.o
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> no offense but my sense of AGF isnt limitless
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> Luna-San of course it is
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> SPUI
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> trolls
2008-01-04 18:38 * Ceiling_Cat refrains from commenting
2008-01-04 18:38 < Retsbol> bishonen: but it doesn't usually result in positive edits to the main namespace without negative attention
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> mkes 10 good edits
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> trolls
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> makes 40 good edits
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> and you cant block :D
2008-01-04 18:38 < Ceiling_Cat> I like SPUI - he does good mainspace work and he makes me laugh :)
2008-01-04 18:38 < phed> This should be wiki-policy, as has been policy for science in norway for ages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_N%C3%A6ss#Recommendations_for_public_discussion
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> granted SPUI isnt much of a problem
2008-01-04 18:38 < White_Cat> and is credited about trolling more than his actual good work
2008-01-04 18:39 < phed> actually, arne næss can be credited for making scandinavia depart from rational skepticism
2008-01-04 18:39 < White_Cat> but there are idiots that troll and make good eidts
2008-01-04 18:39 < Doc_glasgow> White_Cat: A little trolling never goes amiss
2008-01-04 18:39 < phed> which is why we scandinavians often face palm at american science :\
2008-01-04 18:39 < White_Cat> Doc_glasgow I have 0 tollerance for trolling
2008-01-04 18:39 < White_Cat> which is why I am unliked among wikipedians
2008-01-04 18:39 < Pilotguy> snort.
2008-01-04 18:39 * TheWeasel has zero tolerance for next to nothing
2008-01-04 18:39 < Doc_glasgow> White_Cat: How do you know that I'm not trolling you now?
2008-01-04 18:39 < LawrenceWCohen> Reverse trolling
2008-01-04 18:39 < Retsbol> zero tolerance for trolling is surely feeding the trolls ;)
2008-01-04 18:40 < White_Cat> Doc_glasgow I assume you dont
2008-01-04 18:40 < phed> I have really zero tolerance for tendentious tone of voice
2008-01-04 18:40 < Luna-San> phed: I dig it
2008-01-04 18:40 < Pilotguy> White_Cat- If you had zero tolerance for trolling your ass would have been gone by now
2008-01-04 18:40 < TheWeasel> phed: Let's say I have a fine-tuned ear for it
2008-01-04 18:40 < White_Cat> Pilotguy I dont troll
2008-01-04 18:40 < White_Cat> at all
2008-01-04 18:40 < phed> anyone want to fetch a paper for me?
2008-01-04 18:40 < White_Cat> I get trolled
2008-01-04 18:40 < Pilotguy> !admin fetch phed a paper
2008-01-04 18:40 < White_Cat> people complain over the slightest error I make
2008-01-04 18:41 * Golbez kicks Pilotguy
2008-01-04 18:41 * Doc_glasgow trolls White_Cat, but only a little bit and in fun
2008-01-04 18:41 * TheWeasel is suspicious of ostentatious victimhood
2008-01-04 18:41 < Random832> phed: do you want me to post the signpost to your talk page?
2008-01-04 18:41 < Retsbol> heh
2008-01-04 18:41 * Random832 notes that doesn't require an admin, technically
2008-01-04 18:41 < Pilotguy> Well maybe it's because you've alienated them before with your ludicrous arguments
2008-01-04 18:41 < TheWeasel> I'm disabled, so I've seen plenty.
2008-01-04 18:41 < phed> Random832, what is that?
2008-01-04 18:41 < Random832> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SIGNPOST
2008-01-04 18:41 * Retsbol loves TheWeasel's sporadic and profound "/me" interjections to the conversation
2008-01-04 18:41 < Random832> it's wikipedia's internal newsletter
2008-01-04 18:41 < White_Cat> TheWeasel are there people who attack you on every opertunity?
2008-01-04 18:41 < TheWeasel> I think it's pertinent here :-)
2008-01-04 18:42 < Random832> [you did say fetch you a paper]
2008-01-04 18:42 < phed> "The Pluralist and Possibilist Aspect of the Scientific Enterprise" <- the paper I would love to read
2008-01-04 18:42 < TheWeasel> no, but there are colleagues with a persecution complex.
2008-01-04 18:42 < Random832> ah. i thought you meant newspaper
2008-01-04 18:42 < Lycurgus> <- has the pronoia bad.
2008-01-04 18:42 < phed> Random832, thanks anyway :)
2008-01-04 18:42 < Doc_glasgow> TheWeasel: but it isn't paranoia when we really are out to get them
2008-01-04 18:42 * Ceiling_Cat greases up TheWeasel
2008-01-04 18:43 * Retsbol fetches some peanut butter
2008-01-04 18:43 < phed> Luna-San, I note that the norwegian version of the page is awesome and very well written
2008-01-04 18:43 < phed> Luna-San, but it is unsourced.
2008-01-04 18:43 < LawrenceWCohen> hey, if you guys get a chance, give a once over to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Task_of_the_Day I whipped it up after reading that Betacommand and ST47 image thread
2008-01-04 18:43 < Luna-San> Hmm, tricky
2008-01-04 18:43 < TheWeasel> All my paranoia is valid, and I don't have a conspiracy or a campaign of structural discrimination against me
2008-01-04 18:43 < TheWeasel> or even targeted
2008-01-04 18:43 < phed> Luna-San, but he is a very public figure of norway (and loved)
2008-01-04 18:43 < LawrenceWCohen> the idea is pretty simple, but I don't know what else I can do with it myself, since it requires admin support
2008-01-04 18:43 < Betacommand> LawrenceWCohen: hay
2008-01-04 18:43 < LawrenceWCohen> hey Beta
2008-01-04 18:44 < phed> Luna-San, ie. I would love to include the fact that he was a great belche, even at 90 years
2008-01-04 18:44 < TheWeasel> I deserve what I get scolded for.
2008-01-04 18:44 < phed> *belcher
2008-01-04 18:44 < Luna-San> heh
2008-01-04 18:44 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-04 18:44 < Luna-San> Gotta be known for something. ;)
2008-01-04 18:44 < TheWeasel> um... to get scolded what I get scolded for
2008-01-04 18:44 < TheWeasel> Or something
2008-01-04 18:44 < Doc_glasgow> TheWeasel: now you have an inferiority complex
2008-01-04 18:44 < Betacommand> LawrenceWCohen: what do you want on my end in related to that new project?
2008-01-04 18:44 < phed> Luna-San, it is a shame he is not known more abroad. even if he invented environmental activism
2008-01-04 18:44 < TheWeasel> no, I'm just admitting to making mistakes :-)