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2008-01-03 23:18 < ROnwillwin> Krimpet: this is at the federal level
2008-01-03 23:18 < ROnwillwin> Krimpet: The federal goverment does practically nothing about public education
2008-01-03 23:19 < ROnwillwin> Krimpet: It controls one district that is the shittiest school district in the usa
2008-01-03 23:19 < kenlyric> well, except when it tries to destroy it through NCLB
2008-01-03 23:19 < NotACow> no more biden
2008-01-03 23:20 < NotACow> ROnwillwin: uh, dude, the feds have a huge amoutn of influence on public education
2008-01-03 23:20 < Krimpet> aww :(
2008-01-03 23:20 < NotACow> ROnwillwin: nearly every state gets at least 30% of its education budget from the feds.
2008-01-03 23:20 < ROnwillwin> 30% of pointless money
2008-01-03 23:20 < NotACow> if the feds stopped funding public education, there would be no public education in most states
2008-01-03 23:20 < ROnwillwin> that 30% are special grants designed for schools that teach abstinence only or
2008-01-03 23:20 < NotACow> (i'm sure paul is for that)
2008-01-03 23:21 < ROnwillwin> whatever the president at the time thinks is the Right policy
2008-01-03 23:21 < kenlyric> ROnwillwin: wow, you're dim.
2008-01-03 23:21 < ROnwillwin> The majority of funding for public schools come from property taxes at the state level
2008-01-03 23:21 < kenlyric> Title 1 has nothing to do with abstinence only
2008-01-03 23:21 < shimgray> NotACow: well, beyond important hands-on education on "burnin' stuff" and "gettin' them what look funny"
2008-01-03 23:21 < kenlyric> neither does the ADA
2008-01-03 23:21 < ROnwillwin> and I personally am against public schools
2008-01-03 23:21 < ROnwillwin> stupid waste of taxpayers money
2008-01-03 23:21 < ROnwillwin> they have always been bad
2008-01-03 23:21 < Alkivar> you lost me there bud
2008-01-03 23:21 < ROnwillwin> never been good
2008-01-03 23:22 < kenlyric> you fail
2008-01-03 23:22 < ROnwillwin> im for vouchers for the poor
2008-01-03 23:22 < ROnwillwin> but im against the goverment running a school system
2008-01-03 23:22 < Alkivar> vouchers have to have some place they can be spent... and an alternative
2008-01-03 23:22 < Alkivar> if there is no public schooling... there is no alternative
2008-01-03 23:22 < ROnwillwin> put doing away with the education board at the federal level or downsizing would have a very small effect on state schools
2008-01-03 23:22 < Alkivar> you'd basically be leading kids to a pro-religion education
2008-01-03 23:22 < ROnwillwin> in fact it would open up the field and allow proper competition at the state level for schools
2008-01-03 23:22 < Alkivar> or homeschooling in most cases
2008-01-03 23:23 < ROnwillwin> not at all
2008-01-03 23:23 < ROnwillwin> there are excellent private schools
2008-01-03 23:23 < ROnwillwin> in my state there are more private schools than public ones
2008-01-03 23:23 < Alkivar> and 85% of them on the east coast are catholic
2008-01-03 23:23 < ROnwillwin> because our public schools are in essence the shittiest in the nation
2008-01-03 23:23 < ROnwillwin> the free market can easily provide it if neccesary
2008-01-03 23:23 < ROnwillwin> but thats not the point
2008-01-03 23:24 < ROnwillwin> the point is you don't understand what exactly the federal level school board does
2008-01-03 23:24 < shimgray> ah, I love that glib "the free market can easily provide it if neccesary", vaguely handwaving an unproven article of faith
2008-01-03 23:24 < Krimpet> abolishing public schools would just force low income children into even crappier schools with no federal funding, and possibly less opportunity for advancement
2008-01-03 23:24 < Alkivar> Krimpet: exactly
2008-01-03 23:24 < kenlyric> Krimpet: are there no workhouses?
2008-01-03 23:24 < Alkivar> kenlyric: lol
2008-01-03 23:25 < ROnwillwin> not at all krimpet
2008-01-03 23:25 < shimgray> as I recall, we had an experiment with no state funding for education, relying on philanthrophy and the savings of parents. We called it "the eighteenth century"
2008-01-03 23:25 < ROnwillwin> like I said a voucher system for the poor could be provided based on luxury taxes
2008-01-03 23:25 < kenlyric> public education is one of the greatest advancements in civilization.
2008-01-03 23:25 < Krimpet> ROnwillwin: can you please demonstrate to me a time/place where "free-market" education worked well?
2008-01-03 23:25 < Alkivar> shimgray: the state would be funding and controlling schools in paul's dream world
2008-01-03 23:25 < ROnwillwin> and in many ways people were smarter back then
2008-01-03 23:25 < Alkivar> not no state funded
2008-01-03 23:25 < ROnwillwin> im personally agaisnt public education
2008-01-03 23:26 < ROnwillwin> but thats not ron pauls stance
2008-01-03 23:26 < Alkivar> but your state taxes will jump about 25% at least
2008-01-03 23:26 < ROnwillwin> its not even most libertarians stance
2008-01-03 23:26 < ROnwillwin> not at all
2008-01-03 23:26 < Krimpet> kenlyric: indeed.
2008-01-03 23:26 < ROnwillwin> the state already pays for school via property taxes
2008-01-03 23:26 < Alkivar> i say lets commercialize all prisons... no more federal funding for them
2008-01-03 23:26 < Alkivar> all jails must be run for profit
2008-01-03 23:26 < ROnwillwin> the only places where federal fudns are really used is in the inner city
2008-01-03 23:27 < ROnwillwin> I think jails should be privatized
2008-01-03 23:27 < Alkivar> legalize marijuana and commute all non violent drug offenders sentances to probation
2008-01-03 23:27 < ROnwillwin> they would work a hell of a lot better than they do now
2008-01-03 23:27 < Alkivar> and make prisons back into work camps
2008-01-03 23:28 < ROnwillwin> not work camps
2008-01-03 23:28 < Alkivar> need a road built? ... make prison chain gangs build em
2008-01-03 23:28 < ROnwillwin> rehabilitation center
2008-01-03 23:28 < ROnwillwin> to reintegrate people into society
2008-01-03 23:28 < Alkivar> fuck that... there is no rehabilitation for most long term offenders
2008-01-03 23:29 < Alkivar> rapists and armed robbers typically cant be reeducated... because they dont want to be
2008-01-03 23:29 < shimgray> Alkivar: rehabilitation struck down a rather inept judicial experiment here, a while back
2008-01-03 23:30 < Alkivar> murderers... its a case by case basis really... some are one time actions and likely rehabilitatable... multiple/spree killers... nope
2008-01-03 23:30 < shimgray> the courts were experimenting with minimum-indefinite sentences, where you got a fixed minimum and then "until we think you're safe to be released, however long that is"
2008-01-03 23:30 < shimgray> unsurprisingly, all the prisons started treating these people as de-facto lifers
2008-01-03 23:30 < shimgray> so didn't give them access to the various rehabilitation processes, because - well, what use is it to a life prisoner?
2008-01-03 23:31 < shimgray> ...so they could never be deemed suitable for release
2008-01-03 23:31 < shimgray> unsurprisingly, an appeals court took one look at that and said "jesus fuck no are you mad?"
2008-01-03 23:31 < Alkivar> heh
2008-01-03 23:32 < ROnwillwin> akivar I disagree
2008-01-03 23:32 < Alkivar> you can tell a lot about a countries moral stance by how their prisons are run
2008-01-03 23:32 < ROnwillwin> anyone can be reducated
2008-01-03 23:32 < Alkivar> tell that to charles manson
2008-01-03 23:32 < Krimpet> ROnwillwin: Ron Paul supporters have hope, then. :)
2008-01-03 23:32 < ROnwillwin> Well there are extremes
2008-01-03 23:33 < ROnwillwin> but how many criminals are like charles manson
2008-01-03 23:33 < ROnwillwin> less than 1%
2008-01-03 23:33 < Random832> this should be fun
2008-01-03 23:33 * Random832 looks at recent changes
2008-01-03 23:37 < Random832> hell, give the poll another week if he wants, participation _has_ been a bit weak so far
2008-01-03 23:38 < Random832> wrong channel. but if you look at RC, you'll know what i'm talking about
2008-01-03 23:40 < Alkivar> Ralph Wiggum for president: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/72277/
2008-01-03 23:56 < Lubaf> Dodd and Biden are gone.
2008-01-03 23:57 < Luna-San> Biden was ever there?
2008-01-03 23:58 < kenlyric> so, addendum. iowa matters so that the also-rans without hope finally give up the dream.
2008-01-04 00:00 < Pilotguy> DEATH TO POLITICS
2008-01-04 00:01 < cimon> Lubaf: Mughash the Kobold lord is gone...
2008-01-04 00:01 < Rinn> VOTE TERRANCE JOE
2008-01-04 00:01 < Lubaf> cimon: Until you die again.
2008-01-04 00:02 < cimon> Lubaf: was waiting on you to to tell me if I can go against him, but got impatient and went mano a mano in the wish he wasn't one of those guys who summon...
2008-01-04 00:03 < cimon> I have telepathy, so I was tickling his entourage out from a room around two corners, taking care he would stay in the corner away from the door.
2008-01-04 00:04 < cimon> but soon enough it was just the lord and a handful of minor kobolds.
2008-01-04 00:04 < ROnwillwin> I think the iowa primaries were not very representative of the peoples feeling
2008-01-04 00:04 < ROnwillwin> but representative of how many voters the churches were able to turn out for huckabee
2008-01-04 00:05 < ROnwillwin> Huckabees ability to turn out evangelicals stunted that extra numbers that voted for ron paul
2008-01-04 00:05 < cimon> Lubaf: How frequently does Mughash come with fourty or so entourage? it was a bigass room he was in...
2008-01-04 00:05 < ROnwillwin> I say if huckabee wasn't running there would be 40% less voters than there were
2008-01-04 00:05 < Lubaf> cimon: Fairly frequently.
2008-01-04 00:05 < SWATJester> Caucus was pretty representative IMHO
2008-01-04 00:05 < Lubaf> Edwards and Hillary lost.
2008-01-04 00:06 < Lubaf> I'm happy about that.
2008-01-04 00:06 < Lubaf> Romney and Guilani lost.
2008-01-04 00:06 < cimon> Okay, so I din't hit a motherlode then... I remind you I am not an experienced hand at this.
2008-01-04 00:06 < Lubaf> I'm happy about that, too.
2008-01-04 00:06 < SWATJester> edwards didn't lose
2008-01-04 00:06 < SWATJester> 2nd place
2008-01-04 00:06 < SWATJester> that's huge for him
2008-01-04 00:06 < Lubaf> SWATJester: True. But it's still 2nd place.
2008-01-04 00:07 < SWATJester> if he does well in NH, he can edge clinton out of the front running, and secure the nom for Obama. If he does poorly in NH, he can running mate with Obama and dominate the democratic primary for the combined ticket.
2008-01-04 00:07 < cimon> SWATJester: well, I bet edwards certainly is happy he specifically beat Hillary...
2008-01-04 00:07 < ROnwillwin> no
2008-01-04 00:07 < Lubaf> Yeah. Hilary lost, which is always nice.
2008-01-04 00:07 < ROnwillwin> hillary lost
2008-01-04 00:07 < ROnwillwin> edwards did quite well
2008-01-04 00:07 < ROnwillwin> for someone who was not expected to do anything at all
2008-01-04 00:07 < Lubaf> Ron Paul got 10%.
2008-01-04 00:07 < ROnwillwin> he took second
2008-01-04 00:08 < ROnwillwin> and he had nothing to lose
2008-01-04 00:08 < Lubaf> Proves something. I don't know what, but something.
2008-01-04 00:08 < ROnwillwin> Ron Paul did very well
2008-01-04 00:08 < SWATJester> Edwards will do well in the south
2008-01-04 00:08 < ROnwillwin> in a very biased state
2008-01-04 00:08 < SWATJester> which will help him on super tuesday
2008-01-04 00:08 < ROnwillwin> the churches got out evangelicals out to vote
2008-01-04 00:08 < ROnwillwin> that easily added 2 or 3 percent
2008-01-04 00:08 < ROnwillwin> to the 5 percent of eligible voters
2008-01-04 00:08 < ROnwillwin> that vote
2008-01-04 00:08 < ROnwillwin> and ron paul may have only added 5 thousand
2008-01-04 00:09 < ROnwillwin> but he lost total percentage because of the new church voters that showed up for huckabee
2008-01-04 00:09 < SWATJester> ron paul is a nonissue at this point. While it's nice to make a philosphical point in supporting him, better to vote tactically to eliminate hillary (or obama if that's your bent)
2008-01-04 00:09 < SWATJester> and yes I understand that's cross party
2008-01-04 00:09 < ROnwillwin> and thats not neccesarily representative of how many support ron paul in all the state
2008-01-04 00:09 < ROnwillwin> I dont care
2008-01-04 00:09 < ROnwillwin> I do not vote for the lesser of two evils
2008-01-04 00:10 < cimon> Lubaf: what is clear is that it won't be a coronation on either side. It may be all over after super tuesday, but it won't be over before that.
2008-01-04 00:10 < ROnwillwin> I vote for who represents me ideologically
2008-01-04 00:10 < Lubaf> cimon: True.
2008-01-04 00:10 < Lubaf> But that was going to be the case anyway.
2008-01-04 00:10 < ROnwillwin> I can see Ron Paul getting much much better numbers in New Hampshire and actually getting second place
2008-01-04 00:10 < SWATJester> Nah
2008-01-04 00:10 < cimon> Lubaf: but it is much more clear now.
2008-01-04 00:10 < SWATJester> Ron Paul is too out there
2008-01-04 00:10 < ROnwillwin> but it all depends on how Mccains fourth place affects him in new hampshire
2008-01-04 00:11 < ROnwillwin> not for new hampshire swat
2008-01-04 00:11 < SWATJester> yeah I was super disappointed with McCain's showing today
2008-01-04 00:11 < shimgray> ...second place, from the 7% he's polling now? don't be silly.
2008-01-04 00:11 < ROnwillwin> New Hampshire is heavily libertarian
2008-01-04 00:11 < ROnwillwin> It won't matter
2008-01-04 00:11 < SWATJester> Abolishing the IRS and replacing with a regressive 30% tax is out there for ANYONE. Including N.H.
2008-01-04 00:11 < ROnwillwin> The Libertarian parties strongest state in the us is new hampshire
2008-01-04 00:11 < ROnwillwin> and all those independents will vote for rp
2008-01-04 00:12 < SWATJester> Keep in mind that Lieberman has supported McCain, so many independants will go to McCain there
2008-01-04 00:12 < ROnwillwin> Ron Paul also got the majority of the independent vote in Iowa
2008-01-04 00:12 < ROnwillwin> which can easily translate to bigger things
2008-01-04 00:12 < ROnwillwin> Lieberman is a vermont independent
2008-01-04 00:12 < shimgray> Ron Paul is a joke. He will get nowhere.
2008-01-04 00:12 < SWATJester> iowa is not a great independant sample population because it's heavily polarized
2008-01-04 00:12 < ROnwillwin> most independents don't see him as that great of a person in new hampshire mind you
2008-01-04 00:12 < SWATJester> not many independants
2008-01-04 00:12 < ROnwillwin> hey you can say that
2008-01-04 00:12 < shimgray> I'm not sure if we can spell this out using words that are any simpler.
2008-01-04 00:12 < Lubaf> cimon: Heh. The article on this Super Tuesday lists one of the nicknames as "Tuesday of Destiny".
2008-01-04 00:13 < ROnwillwin> but he just proved every single pundit wrong in Iowa
2008-01-04 00:13 < SWATJester> liberman is an independant posterboy in new england
2008-01-04 00:13 < SWATJester> How did he prove pundits wrong?
2008-01-04 00:13 < SWATJester> they predicted he will do terrible, and he did.
2008-01-04 00:13 < ROnwillwin> did you even hear what they were saying
2008-01-04 00:13 < ROnwillwin> no he didnt
2008-01-04 00:13 < ROnwillwin> they predicted he would do 2 or 3 percent
2008-01-04 00:13 < ROnwillwin> 3 or 4 percent away from 3rd place is not terrible
2008-01-04 00:13 < cimon> shimgray: to me it really seems the repubs are fighting over the soul of the party rather than for the presidency...
2008-01-04 00:13 < Alkivar> lieberman is a conservative dem
2008-01-04 00:13 < SWATJester> 5th place is terrible.
2008-01-04 00:13 < SWATJester> no matter what
2008-01-04 00:13 < Alkivar> he's not an ind
2008-01-04 00:13 < Alkivar> no matter how you try to spin it
2008-01-04 00:14 < SWATJester> He did worse than Thompson, who barely campaigned in Iowa
2008-01-04 00:14 < shimgray> he got 10%. The polls were giving him ~7%
2008-01-04 00:14 < ROnwillwin> not when theres only 3 percentage points of difference from 3 to 5
2008-01-04 00:14 < ROnwillwin> Yet Mccain did worse than thompson
2008-01-04 00:14 < shimgray> I'm not sure what polls you were reading that gave him 2-3%, but they weren't the ones I was reading.
2008-01-04 00:14 < ROnwillwin> and Mccain did a lot of campaigning there
2008-01-04 00:14 < ROnwillwin> Shimgray: I said the pundents
2008-01-04 00:14 < Alkivar> anyone know how much ron paul spent in iowa?
2008-01-04 00:15 < ROnwillwin> Ron Paul did on track for what he was on the polls
2008-01-04 00:15 < ROnwillwin> even did a bit better
2008-01-04 00:15 < ROnwillwin> he was 8-9% in polls
2008-01-04 00:15 < Alkivar> cause i'm pretty sure he was spending more in NH than Iowa
2008-01-04 00:15 < ROnwillwin> he did 10-11% there
2008-01-04 00:15 < SWATJester> McCain also had way more negative publicity about his campaign finances than ron paul did
2008-01-04 00:15 < Alkivar> so NH will be the real test
2008-01-04 00:15 < shimgray> ROnwillwin: So, um, how does that show that he was magically better than expected?
2008-01-04 00:15 < ROnwillwin> and Iowa is a very very weak state for him
2008-01-04 00:15 < ROnwillwin> it defines nothing
2008-01-04 00:15 < ROnwillwin> especially with its religious base
2008-01-04 00:15 < cimon> Alkivar: somebody earlier claimed 100 g
2008-01-04 00:15 < shimgray> Some people were wrong. Good lord, hold the front page, that's never happened before.
2008-01-04 00:15 < ROnwillwin> shimgray: you need to compare that to how many extra evangelicals turned out
2008-01-04 00:15 < Alkivar> cimon: politically thats as good as 0
2008-01-04 00:15 < ROnwillwin> 60% of the voters were evangelical
2008-01-04 00:16 < ROnwillwin> normally in iowa in 2000 and 2004 that was 10 or 20 percent
2008-01-04 00:16 < ROnwillwin> so theres a 40% increase in voters
2008-01-04 00:16 < Alkivar> 100k is like 4 30sec ads during primetime
2008-01-04 00:16 < shimgray> Those same polls are showing a nice steady 7% for your beloved Mr. Paul in New Hampshire, so we'll see if they're magically wrong too,
2008-01-04 00:16 < ROnwillwin> which pretty much all voted for huckabee
2008-01-04 00:16 < SWATJester> turnout was also significantly higher than 2000 and 2004
2008-01-04 00:16 < ROnwillwin> reducing the amount ron paul actually gained to a smaller number
2008-01-04 00:16 < cimon> what day of the week is NH?
2008-01-04 00:16 < Alkivar> i'm surprised to see how poorly clinton is showing
2008-01-04 00:16 < ROnwillwin> SwatJester: You joking
2008-01-04 00:16 < shimgray> 8th, Tuesday
2008-01-04 00:16 < Alkivar> i would have expected her to be a clear 2nd... not tied for 2nd
2008-01-04 00:16 < ROnwillwin> turnout was the biggest ever this year
2008-01-04 00:17 < SWATJester> that's what I just said
2008-01-04 00:17 < ROnwillwin> especialyl compared to 2004
2008-01-04 00:17 < shimgray> Alkivar: Edwards seemed to surge at the end there
2008-01-04 00:17 < SWATJester> higher THAN 2000 and 2004
2008-01-04 00:17 < ROnwillwin> it was like 40 k in 2004 and 120 this year
2008-01-04 00:17 < Alkivar> shimgray: i noticed
2008-01-04 00:17 < ROnwillwin> only 100 k in 2000
2008-01-04 00:17 < SWATJester> uh
2008-01-04 00:17 < SWATJester> no
2008-01-04 00:17 < ROnwillwin> that higher turnout rate hurt ron paul
2008-01-04 00:17 < SWATJester> it was 87 K in 2000, and 124k in 2004 by cnn
2008-01-04 00:17 < Alkivar> higher turnout rates always hurt the low ranked candidates
2008-01-04 00:17 < ROnwillwin> because the high turnout was not representative of the actual demographics
2008-01-04 00:18 < shimgray> ROnwillwin: I am, I have to say, finding it utterly hilarious how you're trying to convince us coming a clear fifth was some kind of tactical victory and a sign of great things to come.
2008-01-04 00:18 < ROnwillwin> democrat or republican
2008-01-04 00:18 < shimgray> How d'you respond when you see icebergs? I'm curious here.
2008-01-04 00:18 < ROnwillwin> its hardly a clear fifth
2008-01-04 00:18 < cimon> Alkivar: just speaking dispassionately, Hillary is an amazingly uninspiring public speaker, so far. She really needs to practise in reaching out to people.
2008-01-04 00:18 < SWATJester> Keep in mind that republicans in Iowa don't get a second-choice candidate in the caucus
2008-01-04 00:18 < ROnwillwin> when its 3 percentage points in between third and fifth
2008-01-04 00:18 < Alkivar> shimgray: i think finishing 5th is a good sign for ron paul
2008-01-04 00:18 < ROnwillwin> and theres still 15% of precints that havent reported
2008-01-04 00:18 < Alkivar> since he didnt do much in iowa
2008-01-04 00:18 < ROnwillwin> including one that is ron pauls headquarters location
2008-01-04 00:18 < Alkivar> i'm really looking forward to seeing his % from NH
2008-01-04 00:19 < ROnwillwin> he is and can compete with mccain and thompson
2008-01-04 00:19 < SWATJester> ROnwillwin: the way that precincts are calclated that will not change significantly
2008-01-04 00:19 < ROnwillwin> and he whooped giuliani
2008-01-04 00:19 < ROnwillwin> and people said he couldnt do these things
2008-01-04 00:19 < SWATJester> guiliani didn't campaign iowa
2008-01-04 00:19 < SWATJester> he went for super tuesday states
2008-01-04 00:19 < Alkivar> right now I could whoop guliani
2008-01-04 00:19 < ROnwillwin> swatjester he might hit 4th
2008-01-04 00:19 < ROnwillwin> he still spent more money there than ron paul swat
2008-01-04 00:19 < cimon> I actually think Thompson is doing a smart thing...
2008-01-04 00:19 < ROnwillwin> Ron Paul made 3 stops in Iowa
2008-01-04 00:19 < cimon> ...looking boring.
2008-01-04 00:19 < SWATJester> citation needed?
2008-01-04 00:19 < ROnwillwin> spent about 80 k there
2008-01-04 00:20 < ROnwillwin> its not like he spent a lot of time there
2008-01-04 00:20 < ROnwillwin> all of this was grassroot movements
2008-01-04 00:20 < ROnwillwin> they did most of the work
2008-01-04 00:20 < Alkivar> cimon: whats your take on bill fscking hillary's campaign with his public speaking flubs?
2008-01-04 00:20 < cimon> If thompson tried to look charismatic without real numbers behind him, people would say he is insubstantial.
2008-01-04 00:20 < SWATJester> giuliani also had more negative publicity to counter than paul
2008-01-04 00:20 < ROnwillwin> plus nothings over until the fat lady singed
2008-01-04 00:20 < shimgray> Remind me, again, who was the heroic candidate who rode out of nowhere on a grassroots movement last time, and was hailed as a conquering victor from it?
2008-01-04 00:20 < ROnwillwin> Swat Ron Paul has practically been ignored by the MSM
2008-01-04 00:21 < SWATJester> and as a result, he won't win.
2008-01-04 00:21 < Alkivar> shimgray... jfk in the primaries
2008-01-04 00:21 < ROnwillwin> you can try and rationalize some reason why Ron beating Giulianni is not important
2008-01-04 00:21 < ROnwillwin> fact is he still did it
2008-01-04 00:21 < SWATJester> shimgray: Phyllis Schlafly in the 60's? Oh wait...
2008-01-04 00:21 < Lubaf> ROnwillwin: I'd say that it is important.
2008-01-04 00:21 < ROnwillwin> I think Thompsons high ratings in Iowa was a fluke
2008-01-04 00:21 < Lubaf> I means Giulianni is gone.
2008-01-04 00:21 < ROnwillwin> its not something hes gonna get anywhere else
2008-01-04 00:21 < Lubaf> ROnwillwin: I don't.
2008-01-04 00:21 < ROnwillwin> he should just give up already
2008-01-04 00:21 < shimgray> Oh, yes, Howard Dean.
2008-01-04 00:22 < cimon> Alkivar: well, without answering that directly, you do know what the Carville/Matalin family have decided to do on their respective parts...
2008-01-04 00:22 * shimgray quietly rests his case
2008-01-04 00:22 < SWATJester> giuliani is not gon
2008-01-04 00:22 < Alkivar> cimon: no i dont
2008-01-04 00:22 < Lubaf> He's not an energetic candidate, but he's got some legs on him.
2008-01-04 00:22 < SWATJester> he didn't campaign iowa, he'll poll significantly higher on super tuesday.
2008-01-04 00:22 < Lubaf> Not many, but some.
2008-01-04 00:22 < ROnwillwin> Thompson has no experience hes very shaky overall
2008-01-04 00:22 < cimon> Carville is just bieng a pundit, Mary is in the Thompson camp.
2008-01-04 00:22 < SWATJester> it's beneficial for him to stay in the race, because him doing well on super tuesday gives his eventual endorsement more weight.
2008-01-04 00:22 < ROnwillwin> in a state where 70% thought Bush was a Excellent president according to the entrance polls
2008-01-04 00:23 < ROnwillwin> It does seem to me 10% for a anti bush anti war candidate is excellent
2008-01-04 00:23 < Alkivar> i'll be surprised if rudy lasts longer than january 20th
2008-01-04 00:23 < SWATJester> ROnwillwin: the nation thought at one point 92% or so support for bush. times change, opinions change.
2008-01-04 00:23 < cimon> Alkivar: so JC and MM won't be in opposite camps.
2008-01-04 00:23 < Alkivar> cimon: interesting
2008-01-04 00:24 < cimon> Alkivar: unless Carville decides to make a move later...
2008-01-04 00:24 < SWATJester> cimon: ever watch "the war room?"
2008-01-04 00:24 < cimon> SWATJester: sadly not...
2008-01-04 00:24 < SWATJester> oh man, great movie.
2008-01-04 00:24 < cimon> SWATJester: did read and watch Primary Colours though.
2008-01-04 00:24 < SWATJester> Gave me new respect for stephanopoulus
2008-01-04 00:24 < SWATJester> ah I missed both of those
2008-01-04 00:24 < ROnwillwin> And all your attacking of Ron Paul wont change my furror for him
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> or getting my family to vote for him
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> he represents my views
2008-01-04 00:25 < shimgray> Yes, we know you're a zealot.
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> he speaks with love
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> and hes authentic
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> No
2008-01-04 00:25 < shimgray> This doesn't make you *right*, it just makes you enthusiastic.
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> im just a lover of freedom
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> no
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> it makes me support a candidate that represents my views
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> nothing more
2008-01-04 00:25 < ROnwillwin> nothing less
2008-01-04 00:26 < SWATJester> there's a scene in war room, where carville is with clinton, and it's the night before the election (or maybe day of), and stephanopolus fields a call from a woman in the Bush camp, and she claims to have information about a woman who claims that she fathered clinton's love child
2008-01-04 00:27 < shimgray> Please tell me that was the way round it was originally :-)
2008-01-04 00:27 < SWATJester> stephanopolous gives her this cold threat, says, if you go public with that, I will personally see to it that you never work in washington again, you get sued into bankruptcy, and you are disgraced from your family and friends.
2008-01-04 00:28 < SWATJester> it was hardcore
2008-01-04 00:28 < SWATJester> I wonder if I can find the quote
2008-01-04 00:28 < Luna-San> Oh, I've seen that.
2008-01-04 00:28 < ROnwillwin> wtf is war room
2008-01-04 00:28 < Luna-San> That phone call scared me shitless.
2008-01-04 00:29 < SWATJester> Wasn't that a freaking awesome threat though?
2008-01-04 00:29 < SWATJester> not the woman, but george
2008-01-04 00:30 < FastLizard4> You guys should watch "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"
2008-01-04 00:30 < SWATJester> ROnwillwin: its a documentary of the clinton 1992 election bid
2008-01-04 00:30 < SWATJester> it follows james Carville and George Stephanopolous, and to a lesser extent, bill clinton, and mary matalan
2008-01-04 00:30 < cimon> FastLizard4: Biden looked a bit like Slim Pickens but he left town already.
2008-01-04 00:30 < FastLizard4> X-D
2008-01-04 00:35 < Luna-San> SWATJester: As I can recall, that was the moment I really, fully realized the difference between "playing hardball" and not. :p
2008-01-04 00:35 < SWATJester> lol.
2008-01-04 00:36 < Lubaf> Hillary is invincible! On to New Hampshire!
2008-01-04 00:49 < FastLizard4> Lubaf: Hillary got 3rd place
2008-01-04 00:50 < Lubaf> FastLizard4: That was sarcasm.
2008-01-04 00:54 < ROnwillwin> ok
2008-01-04 00:54 < ROnwillwin> I took the place that Ron Paul had in every district
2008-01-04 00:54 < ROnwillwin> and averaged it
2008-01-04 00:54 < ROnwillwin> it was 4.37
2008-01-04 01:05 < Alkivar> ROnwillwin: how about mccain? whats his avg
2008-01-04 01:06 < Alkivar> since he's the closest to paul % wise... how far behind was ron
2008-01-04 01:08 < ROnwillwin> let me work the numbers
2008-01-04 01:08 < ROnwillwin> brb
2008-01-04 01:28 < Alkivar> http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/01/03/image/I%20Should%20Not%20Be.jpg
2008-01-04 01:28 < Alkivar> so fucking cool
2008-01-04 01:31 < FastLizard4> Alkivar: Nice
2008-01-04 01:32 * FastLizard4 watch FastLizard4 set his mode to invisible!
2008-01-04 01:32 * FastLizard4 is now invisible!
2008-01-04 01:32 * FastLizard4 is not visible!
2008-01-04 01:32 * FastLizard4 now is visible!
2008-01-04 01:34 < Krimpet> ...FastLizard4 will soon find himself kicked. please stop.
2008-01-04 01:34 < FastLizard4> Krimpet: Acknowledged
2008-01-04 01:37 * FastLizard4 goes to bed
2008-01-04 01:38 * blonde-cat grumbles
2008-01-04 01:38 < blonde-cat> you know what really pisses me off?
2008-01-04 01:39 < blonde-cat> when I am watching someone perform live in [V] and, then for half the song, they stand on stage and try to get the crowd to sing the chorus
2008-01-04 01:39 < blonde-cat> grrr
2008-01-04 01:43 * blonde-cat adds robbie williams to the list of artists who piss me off live
2008-01-04 01:43 < ROnwillwin> 4.37 3.91 3.41
2008-01-04 01:44 < ROnwillwin> first is paul
2008-01-04 01:44 < ROnwillwin> second mccain
2008-01-04 01:44 < ROnwillwin> 3rd thompson
2008-01-04 01:44 < ROnwillwin> on averages
2008-01-04 01:44 < ROnwillwin> althought I think im off a little on paul
2008-01-04 01:44 < ROnwillwin> need to rechek for new districts
2008-01-04 01:44 < Krimpet> is this a measurement of their blood alcohol content on the night before the iowa primaries?
2008-01-04 01:46 < Scott5114> *rimshot*
2008-01-04 01:47 < Mike_H> Alkivar: are you awake?
2008-01-04 01:47 < Alkivar> yes
2008-01-04 01:47 < Alkivar> why?
2008-01-04 01:47 < Mike_H> pm
2008-01-04 01:48 < blonde-cat> O_O
2008-01-04 01:49 * blonde-cat knows they are plotting with chanserv
2008-01-04 01:50 * Mike_H NP: Dexy's Midnight Runners - Come On Eileen (1982)
2008-01-04 01:51 * blonde-cat NP: Multi channel message ^^
2008-01-04 01:52 < Mike_H> :D
2008-01-04 01:52 < blonde-cat> xD
2008-01-04 01:52 * blonde-cat hugs Mike_H
2008-01-04 01:52 < Mike_H> yay
2008-01-04 01:53 < blonde-cat> :p
2008-01-04 01:53 * blonde-cat licks Mike_H
2008-01-04 01:54 < Krimpet> I drove back up to college today, and there was a few rest stops with free public WiFi - it's so tempting to log onto WP and anonymously spruce up some articles with delightful images of penii, I had to fight the temptation c.c
2008-01-04 01:55 < blonde-cat> hahahaha
2008-01-04 01:55 < blonde-cat> I did that once and got my local library blocked xD
2008-01-04 01:58 < Lubaf> What's wrong with this picture: http://politedissent.com/images/jan08/nxm_44.jpg
2008-01-04 02:00 < blonde-cat> Lubaf: not as bad as http://www.loopaustralia.com/ew.png
2008-01-04 02:00 < Lubaf> blonde-cat: That's not the issue here. There's an error in http://politedissent.com/images/jan08/nxm_44.jpg
2008-01-04 02:00 < Lubaf> Can you guess what it is?
2008-01-04 02:01 < blonde-cat> hmmmmm
2008-01-04 02:01 < Lubaf> It's in the image itself, not the dialog.
2008-01-04 02:01 < Alkivar> brain function off map while in coma?
2008-01-04 02:01 < Krimpet> that guy doesn't have an adam's apple?
2008-01-04 02:01 < Alkivar> no electrodes on the head
2008-01-04 02:01 < Alkivar> so how can you tell brain readings
2008-01-04 02:03 < Lubaf> Krimpet: The error is much more obvious than that.
2008-01-04 02:03 < Lubaf> Alkivar: You can ignore the dialog, as that's not the error.
2008-01-04 02:03 < Lubaf> They might've just taken the electrodes off.
2008-01-04 02:03 < Krimpet> no clue then -_-
2008-01-04 02:04 < Lubaf> Anybody else care to guess?
2008-01-04 02:04 < Lubaf> He's got a combination of being intubated and a nasal cannula.
2008-01-04 02:06 < Alkivar> yeah you dont do that you short circuit the lungs
2008-01-04 02:09 < Gargoyle_Dan> DA GARGOYLEZ rule da world.
2008-01-04 02:10 < Luna-San> DA GARGOYLEZ need better hax.
2008-01-04 02:11 < Krimpet> watch what you say Luna-San. DA GARGOYLES might come after you. they rule da world you know :o
2008-01-04 02:11 < Lubaf> Now what's wrong with this picture, medically speaking? http://politedissent.com/images/jun06/dazzler2.jpg
2008-01-04 02:12 < Lubaf> http://politedissent.com/images/jun06/dazzler1.jpg <- This is actually a clearer view of the error.
2008-01-04 02:12 < Krimpet> the blue skin and glowy eyes seem medically unlikely
2008-01-04 02:13 < Lubaf> Krimpet: That's true, but not the really blatant error.
2008-01-04 02:14 < Luna-San> Krimpet: I may not have much time before the helicopters arrive.
2008-01-04 02:14 < Luna-San> But it is important that you know my story.
2008-01-04 02:16 < Lubaf> Krimpet: She has an IV hooked up to her nose, actually.
2008-01-04 02:17 < Krimpet> ah. :)
2008-01-04 02:17 < Luna-San> That's... awkward
2008-01-04 02:21 < Lubaf> Luna-San: Painful, too.
2008-01-04 02:21 < Luna-San> Would that be a tad bit like waterboarding? Hospital's PR people might want to get on top of that.
2008-01-04 02:27 < Mike_H> Tyra totally broke down barriers with that cover of Sports Illustrated. Little black girls could now go to the news stands, see Tyra in her polka dot bikini and feel bad about their body too, just like their white friends. That's revolutionary.
2008-01-04 02:27 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-01-04 02:28 < ROnwillwin> man
2008-01-04 02:28 < ROnwillwin> im so hyped for new hampshire
2008-01-04 02:32 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh, they holding the primaries in the US Presidential elections again?
2008-01-04 02:33 < Scott5114> they just had one
2008-01-04 02:34 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAReqHYJEo
2008-01-04 02:34 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-01-04 02:34 < Mike_H> this is great
2008-01-04 02:34 < Mike_H> Alkivar: watch this
2008-01-04 02:35 < Tony_Sidaway> The US election cycle is so full that Americans are always either wondering who the Presidential candidates will be, wondering which candidate will win, moaning about the awfulness of the eventual winner, or complaining about the confirmation nominations for the winner's administration.
2008-01-04 02:36 < Tony_Sidaway> To which, in the past two elections, one can add "moaning about crappy ballot systems"
2008-01-04 02:42 < dig_> What's that gossip I hear about Bishonen being kicked out?
2008-01-04 02:53 < Alkivar> http://www.geekstir.com/img/zombiefoodpyramid.jpg
2008-01-04 02:56 < dig_> Alkivar: Do zombies only eat tripe?
2008-01-04 03:13 < blonde-cat> O_O
2008-01-04 03:13 * blonde-cat sits on PeanutHorst's lap
2008-01-04 03:15 < PeanutHorst> :)
2008-01-04 04:30 < The359> heh, I guess someone jumped too early on the Iowa results? Notice they've been removed
2008-01-04 04:30 * ancjr won the iowa caucus
2008-01-04 04:31 < Lubaf> The359: No, some people think it's pointless provincialism.
2008-01-04 04:31 < Luna-San> ancjr == Biden?
2008-01-04 04:32 < Lubaf> I don't, but I'm in favor of more updates to In The News anyway.
2008-01-04 04:32 < The359> some people are dumb
2008-01-04 04:32 < Lubaf> The359: Edit war over it.
2008-01-04 04:32 < Lubaf> Go ahead.
2008-01-04 04:32 < Lubaf> It'll be fun.
2008-01-04 04:52 < the_giver> what does the expression" There's a cricket in my neck" mean?
2008-01-04 04:52 < Luna-San> I don't think I've ever heard that. o.o Perhaps there really is a cricket?
2008-01-04 04:52 < Luna-San> Ohh, wait.
2008-01-04 04:52 < Luna-San> "Crick"?
2008-01-04 04:53 < The359> yeah, I've never heard cricket either
2008-01-04 04:53 < The359> but crick, yes
2008-01-04 04:53 < Luna-San> If they said "crick," it's kind of like a muscle pain from keeping your neck at an odd angle for too long.
2008-01-04 04:54 * kila pats Luna-San's head
2008-01-04 04:54 * Luna-San purrs
2008-01-04 04:57 < shimgray> it's "crick"
2008-01-04 04:58 < shimgray> and it usually means there's a pain which makes the neck more comfortable to hold at an angle
2008-01-04 04:58 < shimgray> you know what it's been like when you've had your head at a slant for ages, say when you've fallen asleep in a chair, and then try to straighten up?
2008-01-04 05:00 < ancjr> i like to go swimming in the crik
2008-01-04 05:09 < Hildanknight> In an article about a book, what would be the equivalent of a "Production" section in an article about a movie?
2008-01-04 05:10 < Alkivar> http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080103/NEWS06/80103045/1008/NEWS06
2008-01-04 05:10 < Alkivar> Alan Ralsky indicted for fraud
2008-01-04 05:10 < Alkivar> wh000t
2008-01-04 05:10 < Alkivar> now if only they'd hurry up and lock his ass up for good
2008-01-04 05:15 < ancjr> Hildanknight: publishing?
2008-01-04 05:16 < Hildanknight> Publication? I'll try that as a section name, if I choose to write an article about a book by an award-winning Singaporean author; it is my Literature text.
2008-01-04 05:35 < bumm13> hiya Kieff
2008-01-04 05:35 < Kieff> bumm13: good morning!
2008-01-04 05:35 < Kieff> or whatever part of the day fits your timezone best :)
2008-01-04 05:35 < bumm13> wee hours of morning :)
2008-01-04 05:36 < bumm13> (2:36 am local time)
2008-01-04 05:36 * bumm13 NP: Hawkwind - Silver Machine (1972)
2008-01-04 05:39 < max_> hello
2008-01-04 05:40 < max_> can someone please point me to wikipedia's rules on archiving wiki pages and the methods that are allowed?
2008-01-04 05:41 < TheLetterE> is this for a talk page?
2008-01-04 05:41 < max_> hmm, am I in the wrong channel?
2008-01-04 05:41 < TheLetterE> no, this is right
2008-01-04 05:41 < TheLetterE> what were you planning on archiving on wiki?
2008-01-04 05:42 < TheLetterE> [[Help:Archiving a talk page]] might help :)
2008-01-04 05:42 < TheLetterE> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Archiving_a_talk_page
2008-01-04 05:43 < max_> no, I would like to download a few articles and the articles that can be reached linking from those articles, about three levels deep and pruned for relevance, for the purpose of making an offline archive dealing in one specific subject
2008-01-04 05:43 < max_> well, some maths pages
2008-01-04 05:43 < TheLetterE> were you after a wiki dump?
2008-01-04 05:44 < max_> there are such things available?
2008-01-04 05:44 < TheLetterE> sure, http://download.wikimedia.org/
2008-01-04 05:44 < max_> I was going to write a web spider
2008-01-04 05:45 < TheLetterE> ah, one that edits or one that just simply crawls and text grabs?
2008-01-04 05:46 < brown_cat> TheLetterE: http://www.loopaustralia.com/nazielmo.PNG
2008-01-04 05:46 < TheLetterE> brown_cat: hehe
2008-01-04 05:46 < brown_cat> he is in my room ^^ xD
2008-01-04 05:46 < TheLetterE> :P
2008-01-04 05:46 < max_> I don't think i'd have a reason to make a crawler that would edit wiki
2008-01-04 05:47 < TheLetterE> max_: just like a text grabber?
2008-01-04 05:47 < max_> wiki better be protected against random bots chaning things on it
2008-01-04 05:47 < shimgray> we don't much like spiders. if you do run one, run it *slowly*
2008-01-04 05:48 < TheLetterE> max_, all bots must comply with a [[WP:BRFA|bot request for approval]] before ever editing on wiki. thats fine if you text grab, as long as it doesnt run on the actual wikipedia
2008-01-04 05:48 < max_> shimgray, the dumps are the complete site right?
2008-01-04 05:48 < TheLetterE> that can degrade servers, etc
2008-01-04 05:48 < TheLetterE> max, they are the complete website
2008-01-04 05:48 < shimgray> (nothing personal, but you can imagine how badly we can be hit if someone cocks up the programming)
2008-01-04 05:48 < max_> then I don't think I'll need to spend the time crawling :D
2008-01-04 05:48 < max_> that's excellent
2008-01-04 05:48 < shimgray> max_: Pretty much. There's documentation somewhere :-)
2008-01-04 05:49 < max_> no, I'm surprised that you guys would allow bots at all
2008-01-04 05:49 < TheLetterE> no, we do not'
2008-01-04 05:49 < shimgray> officially, if we catch spiders we block 'em
2008-01-04 05:49 < TheLetterE> they need to be approved before even starting to process
2008-01-04 05:49 < max_> right
2008-01-04 05:49 < shimgray> so try not to look like one, and try not to chew bandwidth like one :-)
2008-01-04 05:50 < shimgray> (we actually make a
2008-01-04 05:50 < max_> I want to do among other things an analysis of networks of interconnected articles
2008-01-04 05:50 < shimgray> *small revenue stream from selling access to a lot of the people who'd want to take live feeds from us)
2008-01-04 05:50 < TheLetterE> max_: you can use the HTML dumps here - http://static.wikipedia.org/wikipedia/en/index.html
2008-01-04 05:50 < shimgray> yeah, database dumps are the way to go
2008-01-04 05:51 < max_> I can get a wikipedia live feed for a price?
2008-01-04 05:52 < max_> you know you guys are allright
2008-01-04 05:52 < max_> it would take a real prick to want to hurt wikipedia with an attack
2008-01-04 05:52 < Kieff> statistically, there are several such pricks out there
2008-01-04 05:54 < max_> hey, are early editions of wikipedia still stored?
2008-01-04 05:55 < max_> wow the full edit history is stored
2008-01-04 05:56 < Luna-San> Yep, adds quite a bit to the database size. >.> Also helps keep GFDL compliance.
2008-01-04 05:58 < max_> I will have full offline wikipedia..
2008-01-04 05:58 < max_> I almost giggled.
2008-01-04 05:58 < max_> ok I _did_ just giggle.
2008-01-04 06:01 < Lycurgus_> washington post has pic of victorious Huckabee with Chuck Norris standing right beside him
2008-01-04 06:02 < Lycurgus_> seen some sad ass pictures of Hillary where she looks sort of like Tweety Bird
2008-01-04 06:40 < Lycurgus_> mahlzahn: added footnote to US entry in inequality list.
2008-01-04 06:41 < Mahlzahn> don't you ever sleep? :)
2008-01-04 06:41 < Lycurgus_> a lot but not for long each time.
2008-01-04 06:42 < Mahlzahn> ah, right. I could never get the hang of that.
2008-01-04 06:43 < Lycurgus_> I will change the gini png after I look a little more into some of the countries where there's no data. Saudi Arabia I find puzzling since it's such a wealthy country.
2008-01-04 06:44 < Lycurgus_> in the worst case I suppose I would compute it myself and post the extrapolated results based on best available data in my user space.
2008-01-04 06:46 < shimgray> Lycurgus_: The urban elite is wealthy. But the rest?
2008-01-04 06:46 < shimgray> I'd expect very high inequalities there; it's your classic oil-rich oligarchy
2008-01-04 06:47 < Lycurgus_> well they have a really "generous" welfare system though but in an case the stastic is what it is, it's an objective fast like the temperature at a location and time specified.
2008-01-04 06:47 < Lycurgus_> *statistic, i.e. Gini coefficient.
2008-01-04 06:47 < Lycurgus_> *any
2008-01-04 06:48 < Lycurgus_> *fact
2008-01-04 06:50 < shimgray> mmm.
2008-01-04 06:50 < Lycurgus_> that is to say the parameter which the stastistic models is such a fact, the statistic is of course subject to modeling and measurement error
2008-01-04 06:51 < shimgray> Does it measure citizens, or residents?
2008-01-04 06:51 < Lycurgus_> well measurement really, since Gini is a well established model
2008-01-04 06:51 < Lycurgus_> citizens
2008-01-04 06:51 < shimgray> I know SA has a lot of overseas "guest workers"
2008-01-04 06:51 < shimgray> hmm.
2008-01-04 06:51 < Lycurgus_> citizens only, since the others are not technically part of the society being reported
2008-01-04 06:52 < Lycurgus_> they would be included in the statitic for whatever countries they were nationals of
2008-01-04 06:52 < Lycurgus_> *statistic
2008-01-04 06:52 < shimgray> *nods*
2008-01-04 06:53 < shimgray> your 5% nomadic population are going to have an interesting effect, too
2008-01-04 06:53 < brown_cat> O_O
2008-01-04 06:53 * brown_cat looks around for some milk
2008-01-04 06:53 < Lycurgus_> countries like Chad and Somalia I can see because there's prolly a data problem there, but the Kingdom doesn't make sense
2008-01-04 06:53 < shimgray> what's the figure you have?
2008-01-04 06:54 < shimgray> (for SA)
2008-01-04 06:55 < Lycurgus_> I don't have one yet, would have to compute it and it does involve integral calculus and I do have other stuff todo so it won't be today
2008-01-04 06:55 < shimgray> heh
2008-01-04 06:56 < Lycurgus_> but plausible estimators for the underlying stastistics should be available and it definitely is doable. May very well have already been done so will look a little more (later).
2008-01-04 06:57 < brunna> oi...
2008-01-04 06:57 < shimgray> be a nice exam question, that. "This is what a Gini coefficiecient measures, and you can think of it as running between Scandinavia at this sort of range and South Africa at that sort of range"
2008-01-04 06:58 < shimgray> "Here is Saudi Arabia's. a) Is this what you would have expected? b) Why? Discuss."
2008-01-04 06:58 < brunna> q
2008-01-04 06:58 < brunna> hello
2008-01-04 06:59 < Lycurgus_> well the way should think of it is as a line which is either the straight line of perfect equality or the base and height of the triangle where a single individual owns everything
2008-01-04 06:59 < brunna> i am brazil
2008-01-04 06:59 < Lycurgus_> *you
2008-01-04 06:59 < Lycurgus_> you are not
2008-01-04 07:00 < Lycurgus_> really? "The" Brazil?
2008-01-04 07:00 < flibbertigibbet> The Wikimedia Foundation servers are currently experiencing technical difficulties.
2008-01-04 07:00 < brunna> sorry
2008-01-04 07:01 < brunna> i am braziLIAN
2008-01-04 07:01 < Lycurgus_> :)
2008-01-04 07:01 < brunna> ALGUEM FALA PORTUGUESE
2008-01-04 07:01 < Aqwis> brazilee
2008-01-04 07:01 < brunna> ;P
2008-01-04 07:02 < Lycurgus_> prolly not many here but there's a #wikipedia-pr or ...
2008-01-04 07:02 < Aqwis> i assume you live in the slums of sao paulo? :))
2008-01-04 07:03 < Thehelpfulone> can any of you that are free, please review me at: [[Wikipedia:Editor_review/Thehelpfulone]]. Thanks! :)
2008-01-04 07:03 < brunna> LIVE IN MATO GROSSO
2008-01-04 07:03 < Aqwis> canvas alert!
2008-01-04 07:03 < Aqwis> ;|
2008-01-04 07:05 < Aqwis> i can't be bothered to review you now, but i'd suggest that you do some article work before RfAing yourself
2008-01-04 07:05 < Lycurgus_> didn't wp:irc used to have a list of the per lingo channels?
2008-01-04 07:06 < Lycurgus_> well it's not -pr.
2008-01-04 07:08 < Lycurgus_> brunna: doesn't look there is a Portugues channel, so welcome to the English one! How's stuff in the Jungle?
2008-01-04 07:08 < Lycurgus_> *look like
2008-01-04 07:09 < brunna> no undestand
2008-01-04 07:09 < Lycurgus_> hablas Espanol?
2008-01-04 07:10 < brunna> si
2008-01-04 07:11 < brunna> portunhol
2008-01-04 07:12 < Luna-San> Lycurgus_: There's a pretty decent channel listing on meta, someplace. m:List of IRC channels, or something.
2008-01-04 07:13 < Lycurgus_> OK, I can't see her IP but I'm getting a funny feeling about this so I'll let somebody with better Spanish translate my last entry (or not).
2008-01-04 07:13 < kila> XD
2008-01-04 07:13 < shimgray> Lycurgus_: Portugese is pt
2008-01-04 07:14 < Lycurgus_> Luna-San: yes it's on the basis of that m:List (and trying to join -pr) that I conclude there's no portugues channel.
2008-01-04 07:14 < brunna> no l
2008-01-04 07:14 < Luna-San> Aha
2008-01-04 07:14 < brunna> aha
2008-01-04 07:14 < Lycurgus_> there is howerever a #wikipedia-pt