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2008-01-03 21:34 < Yert> Who is Tom Tancredo
2008-01-03 21:34 < Lycurgus> nobody
2008-01-03 21:34 < Cyrius> a guy who dropped out
2008-01-03 21:34 < Alkivar> Yert: a numbnut who's already dropped out
2008-01-03 21:34 < Yert> No one voted for him.
2008-01-03 21:34 < TheWeasel> Yert: The immigration guy
2008-01-03 21:34 < FastLizard4> bah
2008-01-03 21:34 < Alkivar> his entire stance for the election was close the borders
2008-01-03 21:35 < Yert> Lol
2008-01-03 21:35 < Yert> Dumb ass.
2008-01-03 21:35 < Lycurgus> so it's Obam and Huckabee?
2008-01-03 21:35 < Lycurgus> a
2008-01-03 21:35 < Alkivar> while i agree with the sentiment... the fucker had no clue on anything else
2008-01-03 21:35 < Yert> Regretfully
2008-01-03 21:35 < Alkivar> yeah
2008-01-03 21:35 < Cyrius> Lycurgus: for the moment. doesn't mean it'll stick
2008-01-03 21:35 < Alkivar> i dont think anyone's happy with the iowa results
2008-01-03 21:35 < Cyrius> it's just Iowa, and just a caucus
2008-01-03 21:35 < Alkivar> wonder what nh will be like
2008-01-03 21:35 < Wizardman> msnbc declares obama now
2008-01-03 21:36 < Cyrius> not even the primary
2008-01-03 21:36 < Lycurgus> Mahlzahn: ping.
2008-01-03 21:36 < Yert> Obama is gaining now.
2008-01-03 21:36 < Yert> Hillary is in 3rd
2008-01-03 21:36 < Alkivar> so who do you think winds up vice president dem?
2008-01-03 21:36 < Alkivar> edwards?
2008-01-03 21:36 < TheWeasel_> Hah
2008-01-03 21:37 < FastLizard4> Quick question: Would you consider a WP user with the username CityWeb promotional?
2008-01-03 21:37 < Cyrius> FastLizard4: it has the smell
2008-01-03 21:37 < Alkivar> Fastlizard: yes
2008-01-03 21:37 < FastLizard4> Should I go to UAA
2008-01-03 21:37 < Weaselosaurus> Edwards perhaps, though he might bring bad luck on that position
2008-01-03 21:37 < Cyrius> just the name isn't enough to go on
2008-01-03 21:37 < FastLizard4> He left a promotional message at [[WP:RFF]]
2008-01-03 21:37 < shimgray> 75%, Obama clear lead, then tie
2008-01-03 21:38 < Wizardman> Dodd has a delegate! lol
2008-01-03 21:38 < FastLizard4> Aha, he advertised for CityWeb!
2008-01-03 21:38 < Wizardman> ...whoa, WTFF
2008-01-03 21:38 < Wizardman> screw Lynn county, they just took the votes away from Giuliani!
2008-01-03 21:39 < Wizardman> haha, wow
2008-01-03 21:39 < Weaselosaurus> The Democrats have an uncanny sense for completely unelectable candidates.
2008-01-03 21:39 < Cyrius> Wizardman: oh man, and I was just about to leave unhappy =)
2008-01-03 21:39 < Weaselosaurus> Ron Paul trails Giuliani in my tally
2008-01-03 21:39 < Lycurgus> if Clinton doesn't at least place, she's dead. If she doesn't show, she's out soomer.
2008-01-03 21:39 < Lycurgus> n
2008-01-03 21:39 < Weaselosaurus> Clinton will take second, I think
2008-01-03 21:40 < Weaselosaurus> she looks pretty good out east
2008-01-03 21:40 < Weaselosaurus> certainly better than Edwards
2008-01-03 21:40 < Yert> Edwards is a dork.
2008-01-03 21:40 < Cyrius> Edwards is the most conventional candidate the democrats have
2008-01-03 21:41 < Weaselosaurus> but he's a talented speaker and he at least believes in something.
2008-01-03 21:41 < Weaselosaurus> other than "bringing people together to achieve our dreams"
2008-01-03 21:41 < Weaselosaurus> which is what we hear till blood is showing from Obama in the next ten months
2008-01-03 21:41 < Cyrius> I can't believe they still get behind that sort of pansy feel-good garbage
2008-01-03 21:41 * FastLizard4 must eat dinner
2008-01-03 21:42 < Cyrius> "till blood is showing"? not familiar with that one
2008-01-03 21:42 < Weaselosaurus> eh, German expression :-D
2008-01-03 21:42 < Cyrius> is there a translation?
2008-01-03 21:42 < Weaselosaurus> Me neither, the problem is just that he isn't even going to *win*, all on top of his utter vacuousness
2008-01-03 21:43 < Weaselosaurus> brb
2008-01-03 21:43 < Cyrius> dangit
2008-01-03 21:43 < Weaselosaurus> "bis Blut kommt"
2008-01-03 21:43 < Weaselosaurus> probably
2008-01-03 21:43 < Cyrius> where's the blood supposed to be? =)
2008-01-03 21:43 < cimon> when was the last time a candidate went on to be a veep candidate?
2008-01-03 21:43 < Weaselosaurus> 2004.
2008-01-03 21:43 < Lycurgus> used to happen all the time
2008-01-03 21:44 < Lycurgus> o right edwards
2008-01-03 21:44 < cimon> ...and when was the last time a candidate-veep candidate went on to serve as veep?
2008-01-03 21:44 < Cyrius> cimon: al gore? definitely george hw bush
2008-01-03 21:44 < Yert> Obama sucks.
2008-01-03 21:44 < Weaselosaurus> Um...
2008-01-03 21:45 < cimon> Cyrius: did Bush senior run against Reagan?
2008-01-03 21:45 < Lycurgus> OK well the gini stuffs are done.
2008-01-03 21:45 < Cyrius> cimon: for the republican nomination, yes
2008-01-03 21:45 < ROnwillwin> ron just beat mccain
2008-01-03 21:45 < cimon> cool
2008-01-03 21:45 < Weaselosaurus> No he means whether an unsuccessful candidate for president ever went on to be picked by a successful candidate for president as veep
2008-01-03 21:45 < Weaselosaurus> I think you'd have to go pretty far back
2008-01-03 21:45 < Cyrius> is that what he meant?
2008-01-03 21:45 < cimon> yes
2008-01-03 21:46 < Cyrius> oh
2008-01-03 21:46 < Cyrius> that, I dunno
2008-01-03 21:46 < Weaselosaurus> Nelson Rockefeller perhaps
2008-01-03 21:46 < Cyrius> and it'd be a lot less common
2008-01-03 21:46 < cimon> what was Bush Reagan then?
2008-01-03 21:46 < Weaselosaurus> who ran for GOP nomination, then was VP under Nixon
2008-01-03 21:46 < Cyrius> cimon: they were competing for the Republican nomination
2008-01-03 21:46 < Weaselosaurus> Were they?
2008-01-03 21:46 < Weaselosaurus> Ah
2008-01-03 21:46 < Weaselosaurus> Okay, that's that then
2008-01-03 21:46 < Weaselosaurus> 1980.
2008-01-03 21:47 < Cyrius> Weaselosaurus: along with Bob Dole =)
2008-01-03 21:47 < Weaselosaurus> hah. Bob Dole is one of the last big sane Republicans
2008-01-03 21:47 < Cyrius> and ol' Governor Connally
2008-01-03 21:47 < cimon> Cyrius: Right, now I remember, Bush called Reaganomics Voodoo...
2008-01-03 21:47 < Cyrius> who died in 93
2008-01-03 21:47 < HILLARY08> GO HILL
2008-01-03 21:47 < HILLARY08> HOT FOR HILL
2008-01-03 21:47 < HILLARY08> HILLARY 08
2008-01-03 21:48 * The359 stabs politics
2008-01-03 21:48 < Weaselosaurus> Hillarycay in Billericay
2008-01-03 21:48 < Cyrius> isn't it all closed already?
2008-01-03 21:48 < Weaselosaurus> Barack certified.
2008-01-03 21:48 * Clinton_08 ! Impeach Bush!
2008-01-03 21:48 * Clinton_08 ! Impeach Bush!
2008-01-03 21:48 < Weaselosaurus> I.e. four more years, Huckabee this time
2008-01-03 21:48 < Clinton_08> amidanie1: hi
2008-01-03 21:48 < Cyrius> Clinton_08: stop or be stopped.
2008-01-03 21:49 < Weaselosaurus> Clinton_08: Clinton does not propose that
2008-01-03 21:49 < Cyrius> Golbez: greetings.
2008-01-03 21:49 < Golbez> wooooooOOOOOOooooo
2008-01-03 21:49 * The359 proposes death
2008-01-03 21:49 < Golbez> Paul came in second in my precinct :D
2008-01-03 21:49 < Clinton_08> Cyrius: no..I plan to flood that 10 times and get myself quieted because I do that
2008-01-03 21:49 < Golbez> Also, Obama winning is great. It would be even better if Clinton were third. Hee. heeh ee heeheeeee.
2008-01-03 21:49 < Cyrius> Golbez: amusing
2008-01-03 21:49 < HILLARY08> GO HILL IMPEACH BUSH
2008-01-03 21:49 < Cyrius> Golbez: I'm just happy at Rudy's poor showing
2008-01-03 21:49 < Cyrius> which fills me with glee
2008-01-03 21:49 < Golbez> Heh, word.
2008-01-03 21:50 < Cyrius> I don't care about the rest of it
2008-01-03 21:50 < Golbez> Not just that he did poor but that Paul trounced him.
2008-01-03 21:50 < Golbez> hee.
2008-01-03 21:50 < Cyrius> well, some disappointment that kucinich is doing so terribly
2008-01-03 21:50 < Cyrius> a hot first lady would have been worth it!
2008-01-03 21:50 < Golbez> Cyrius- all the more reason to vote Thompson
2008-01-03 21:51 < Golbez> so what was Clinton_08 doing?
2008-01-03 21:51 < TheWeasel> Why do I keep getting disconnected?
2008-01-03 21:51 < TheWeasel> I guess it's time to go then
2008-01-03 21:51 < HILLARY08> H-I-L-L-A-R-Y
2008-01-03 21:51 < Cyrius> Golbez: oh, just spammily calling for impeaching bush
2008-01-03 21:51 < Golbez> Like HILLARY08 is?
2008-01-03 21:51 < TheWeasel> thats hillaryous
2008-01-03 21:51 < Cyrius> yes
2008-01-03 21:52 < Clinton_08> TheWeasel: you are punny XD
2008-01-03 21:52 < TheWeasel> berry punny
2008-01-03 21:52 < Messedrocker> ROOSTER!
2008-01-03 21:52 < Golbez> so should we remove em or something
2008-01-03 21:52 < MUNCHLAX> COCK!
2008-01-03 21:52 * Messedrocker considers typing /mode +b *HILLARY*08*!*@*
2008-01-03 21:52 < TheWeasel> Edwards still has a narrow lead ahead of Hillary
2008-01-03 21:52 < Golbez> A 6 vote lead.
2008-01-03 21:53 < HILLARY08> RIGGED
2008-01-03 21:53 < TheWeasel> but he'll probably drop to third
2008-01-03 21:53 < Golbez> HILLARY08- uh huh
2008-01-03 21:53 < TheWeasel> They tampered with the ... err... caucus rooms
2008-01-03 21:53 < Cyrius> Messedrocker: add in a *CLINTON*!*@* =)
2008-01-03 21:53 < TheWeasel> Shrillary
2008-01-03 21:54 < TheWeasel> That absolutely calls for a dramatic Gore candidacy
2008-01-03 21:54 < Cyrius> =D
2008-01-03 21:54 < Cyrius> he's baaaaaaack
2008-01-03 21:54 < TheWeasel> he can bring his partner Blood
2008-01-03 21:54 < Cyrius> that'd be hilarious
2008-01-03 21:54 < Cyrius> Gore/Blood 2008
2008-01-03 21:54 < Golbez> Obama/Gore 2008
2008-01-03 21:55 < HILLARY08> HILLARY SWEEPS NEW HAMPSHIRE
2008-01-03 21:55 < Wizardman> Gore/Gravel '08!
2008-01-03 21:55 < Golbez> shut up man =p
2008-01-03 21:55 < TheWeasel> I think he'll pick Hillary.
2008-01-03 21:55 < Golbez> Wizardman- ooh
2008-01-03 21:55 < TheWeasel> Gravel would be fun
2008-01-03 21:55 < HILLARY08> CLINTONS FOR EVER
2008-01-03 21:55 < TheWeasel> but he's oldish
2008-01-03 21:55 < Golbez> TheWeasel- god i hope not, but she'd love that, she'd love to be only one bullet away from the presidency
2008-01-03 21:55 < Golbez> HILLARY08- stop typing in all caps
2008-01-03 21:55 < Golbez> well okay that fixed that issue
2008-01-03 21:55 < TheWeasel> Maybe Robert Byrd would like to run
2008-01-03 21:55 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 21:55 < shimgray> Gravel seems pretty competent.
2008-01-03 21:56 < TheWeasel> Gravel is too, how do they say, "controversial"
2008-01-03 21:56 < Golbez> I like Gravel a lot.
2008-01-03 21:56 < cimon> Okay, stupid question, if no delegates are decided by this Iowa caucus, what is decided in this caucus?
2008-01-03 21:56 < Cyrius> hmm, did that work or not?
2008-01-03 21:56 < TheWeasel> There, I said it, brr.
2008-01-03 21:56 < Golbez> He's the Dem's version of Ron Paul.
2008-01-03 21:56 < shimgray> I especially like his hard-hitting comments on creationism
2008-01-03 21:56 < Cyrius> Golbez: nah, that's more kucinich
2008-01-03 21:56 < Golbez> cimon- Delegates are sent to the state who then decides convention delegates.
2008-01-03 21:56 < TheWeasel> Media is obsessed with bipartisanship so they'd fold him like a towel.
2008-01-03 21:56 * TheWeasel encourages partisanship and wish we had more of it here
2008-01-03 21:56 < Cyrius> cimon: it doesn't actually decide much
2008-01-03 21:56 < Golbez> Cyrius- They both apply, Kucinich being the total opposite of Paul, and Gravel being the libertarian socialist.
2008-01-03 21:57 < Lycurgus_> .o0(hmmm, a buck and a nut. Does that make a buck-fifty)
2008-01-03 21:57 < Cyrius> total opposite, except for having scruples
2008-01-03 21:57 < TheWeasel> Kucinich is the hippie version of Gravel
2008-01-03 21:57 < cimon> Cyrius: very weird...
2008-01-03 21:57 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: pong
2008-01-03 21:57 < TheWeasel> I like Kucinich a lot, but I'd rather have Nepalese tea with him than see him as president
2008-01-03 21:58 < Cyrius> cimon: it gets the attention it does because it's the first semi-meaningful event in the election process
2008-01-03 21:58 < TheWeasel> the burning of incense is optional
2008-01-03 21:58 < Cyrius> not because it's actually all that important
2008-01-03 21:58 < shimgray> ah, there we are.
2008-01-03 21:58 < shimgray> "Oh God, no. Oh, Jesus. We thought we had made a big advance with the Scopes monkey trial … My God, evolution is a fact, and if these people are disturbed by being the descendants of monkeys and fishes, they’ve got a mental problem. We can’t afford the psychiatric bill for them. That ends the story as far as I’m concerned"
2008-01-03 21:58 < cimon> but if no delegates are at stake, would anyone decide to pull out of the race purely on the basis of today?
2008-01-03 21:58 < Lycurgus_> just wanted to say I couldn't update that list because it was CIA vs. UN, but the value used for the two changes I made (in the infobox and SVG) are based on US census so while
2008-01-03 21:58 < Messedrocker> shimgray, humans aren't descent of monkeys
2008-01-03 21:59 < TheWeasel> cimon: Media calling you a loser is pretty prescriptive
2008-01-03 21:59 < anon32> ^^
2008-01-03 21:59 < Cyrius> Hot_for_hill: are you going to play nice, or do I have to get more thorough?
2008-01-03 21:59 < Hot_for_hill> HILLARY
2008-01-03 21:59 < Hot_for_hill> FOR
2008-01-03 21:59 < Hot_for_hill> 08
2008-01-03 21:59 < Golbez> my turn
2008-01-03 21:59 < Golbez> aww
2008-01-03 21:59 < Lycurgus_> it's more authorative/reliable can't update that list. A footnote seems out of place given the list format but if you want I will put.
2008-01-03 21:59 * Golbez pouts
2008-01-03 22:00 < Golbez> heh let's see what happens this time when he tries to change nicks
2008-01-03 22:00 < TheWeasel> Huckabee's lead is narrowing as the cities are counted, but not much
2008-01-03 22:00 < Cyrius> what's the point of political spam now?
2008-01-03 22:00 < shimgray> Messedrocker: In a broad sense. I don't think anyone specifically and literally means members of the Cercopithecidae
2008-01-03 22:00 < Cyrius> the people who could be affected today are done
2008-01-03 22:01 < TheWeasel> Ah, by any means, it's an unblowuppable lead
2008-01-03 22:01 < Cyrius> "unblowuppable" =)
2008-01-03 22:01 < TheWeasel> I know it's tossed about a lot these days.
2008-01-03 22:01 < Messedrocker> shimgray, humans are descended from primitive hominids
2008-01-03 22:02 < Lycurgus_> huckabee taking NH sounds wrong
2008-01-03 22:02 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: I'm still interested in that blood expression
2008-01-03 22:02 < Alkivar> huckabee will not take new hampshire
2008-01-03 22:02 < TheWeasel> I partly made it up
2008-01-03 22:02 < Alkivar> i'll put money on that
2008-01-03 22:02 < TheWeasel> or transferred it from its original meaning
2008-01-03 22:02 < Cyrius> yes, but what's the meaning?
2008-01-03 22:03 < Alkivar> i have personally polled nh republicans... romney is showing the best, with ron paul coming in a strong 2nd
2008-01-03 22:03 < MUNCHLAX> haha go digg party
2008-01-03 22:03 < TheWeasel> well, it referred to something harmful that is repeated until one bleeds
2008-01-03 22:03 < Alkivar> huckabee is coming in behind mccain... at 4th
2008-01-03 22:03 < TheWeasel> Alkivar: Sampling alright?
2008-01-03 22:03 < Alkivar> but i guess we'll see tomorrow night
2008-01-03 22:03 < Cyrius> Alkivar: interesting
2008-01-03 22:04 < Alkivar> weasel: margin of error according to the people i was helping poll is +/- 3%
2008-01-03 22:04 < TheWeasel> pretty good
2008-01-03 22:04 < Alkivar> and the percentage difference between huckabee and romney was 15%
2008-01-03 22:04 < shimgray> Messedrocker: Indeed. which in turn are apes; if we bounce up another level or two we're at the simians, where the common ancestor of us and monkeys lay, and you'd be hard pressed not to call one of those a monkey.
2008-01-03 22:04 < TheWeasel> cyrius: a gentler way is "bis es einem zu den Ohren rauskommt" ... "until it pops out of one's ears"
2008-01-03 22:04 < shimgray> but this is just dickering around with terminology, we both know perfectly well what he means
2008-01-03 22:04 < Alkivar> romney was polling at about 40-42%
2008-01-03 22:04 < MUNCHLAX> which candidate was the old guy that just stood there for half the commercial?
2008-01-03 22:05 < Cyrius> gravel
2008-01-03 22:05 < MUNCHLAX> ah
2008-01-03 22:05 < TheWeasel> Sounds like Thompson :-D
2008-01-03 22:05 < Golbez> gravel also threw a rock into a lake
2008-01-03 22:05 < TheWeasel> although I doubt he can stand
2008-01-03 22:05 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: I was interested because English has the idiom "until your ears bleed"
2008-01-03 22:05 < shimgray> Alkivar: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_republican_caucus-207.html is recent Iowa polling stats - was it Zogby you were with?
2008-01-03 22:05 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-03 22:05 < shimgray> oh, wait, misread
2008-01-03 22:06 < shimgray> ignore me :-)
2008-01-03 22:06 < Alkivar> shim: no a new england based group polling only in VT/NH/ME
2008-01-03 22:06 < TheWeasel> we don't really have an accurate translation of that
2008-01-03 22:06 < TheWeasel> so I had to borrow one and retranslate
2008-01-03 22:06 < TheWeasel> weird process
2008-01-03 22:06 < shimgray> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_primary-193.html
2008-01-03 22:06 < TheWeasel> Huckabee certified, I'm going to bed
2008-01-03 22:06 < shimgray> yeah, I see the lay of the land there now
2008-01-03 22:06 < TheWeasel> Night
2008-01-03 22:06 < shimgray> (sorry, I'd not realised you were talking NH)
2008-01-03 22:07 < TheWeasel> McCain wins one county!
2008-01-03 22:07 < shimgray> is McCain unusually popular in NH, or something?
2008-01-03 22:07 < TheWeasel> Dickinson county in the far NW
2008-01-03 22:07 < TheWeasel> Huckabee ahead in Des Moines, interesting
2008-01-03 22:08 < TheWeasel> Romney in all other larger places
2008-01-03 22:08 < TheWeasel> rest of the big cities go for Obama, as predicted
2008-01-03 22:08 < Golbez> TheWeasel- Huckabee easily won my precinct in Cedar Rapids
2008-01-03 22:08 < Golbez> What was really interesting was that Paul came in 2nd.
2008-01-03 22:08 < TheWeasel> oh, you're Iowan?
2008-01-03 22:08 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-03 22:08 < TheWeasel> hah, fresh air
2008-01-03 22:08 < Golbez> 22 huckabee, 9 paul, 7 romney, 6 mccain, 5 thompson, 2 giuliani
2008-01-03 22:09 < Golbez> I just moved here a couple of months ago
2008-01-03 22:09 < TheWeasel> right
2008-01-03 22:09 < TheWeasel> well, thats quite a shutout though
2008-01-03 22:09 < Golbez> My gf caucused Obama; she said Hillary won her joint but it's nice to see the state as a whole went for the big O
2008-01-03 22:09 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-03 22:09 < Golbez> Yeah, I was surprised both by Huckabee's amazingly strong showing, and Paul coming in 2nd.
2008-01-03 22:09 < TheWeasel> Rather than Hillary, certainly
2008-01-03 22:09 < TheWeasel> either way, I'm off to bed
2008-01-03 22:09 < TheWeasel> peace
2008-01-03 22:09 < Golbez> cya
2008-01-03 22:10 < Lycurgus_> oh shit forgot about AL and HI.
2008-01-03 22:10 < Lycurgus_> *AK
2008-01-03 22:10 < Cyrius> seen on Reddit: "I'm sure all the candidates had a fun time, and that's what matters!!!"
2008-01-03 22:10 < Cyrius> along with "They're all winners in my book. Except Guiliani he can suck my black ass."
2008-01-03 22:12 < Lycurgus_> yeah, some people are kina bitter about stuff in NYC where Guiliani is concerned
2008-01-03 22:14 < MUNCHLAX> it's all about the O
2008-01-03 22:14 < Yert> edwards wife is on CNN
2008-01-03 22:14 < Cyrius> is she hot?
2008-01-03 22:14 < Cyrius> answer, no
2008-01-03 22:15 < Yert> Cyrius: Shes like 65
2008-01-03 22:15 < Cyrius> 58, and a fair point
2008-01-03 22:16 < Cyrius> Elizabeth Kucinich has an unfair advantage =)
2008-01-03 22:17 < shimgray> Giuliani is crazy. He's the only guy out there who would seriously believe a coup to stay in power would be a decent and reasonabvle thing to do
2008-01-03 22:17 * Yert likes how edwards says Why
2008-01-03 22:18 < Cyrius> shimgray: even dick cheney would consider it a last resort =)
2008-01-03 22:18 < xurich^> Bring on Clinton. Curious to see what she'll say, after her inevitable victory didn't come through!
2008-01-03 22:18 * Cyrius wanders off
2008-01-03 22:19 < cimon> no easy riff on "Come back kid."
2008-01-03 22:20 < Yert> I don't like how Edwards uses his wife as a breast cancer campain chip.
2008-01-03 22:20 < Yert> *campaign
2008-01-03 22:21 < gwern> xurich^: she'll say iowa doesn't matter
2008-01-03 22:21 < Yert> It dosent.
2008-01-03 22:21 < shimgray> Yert: And she wouldn't like it if he stuck her away in a corner and didn't mention it. Her role in the campaign is pretty much her choice.
2008-01-03 22:21 < Yert> shimgray: He just mentioned her about his healthcare plan.
2008-01-03 22:21 < gwern> bill didn't win there, she'll say, so no biggie that obama won it
2008-01-03 22:22 < Yert> "People will go to the doctor and be diagnosed with cancer, just like my Elizabeth......"
2008-01-03 22:22 < xurich^> I really think that this solidifies the idea of Obama's electability to the nation though, so she'd better watch out in NH.
2008-01-03 22:22 < Yert> Obama sucks.
2008-01-03 22:22 < Messedrocker> Yert: He beats Bush.
2008-01-03 22:22 < The359> you all suck!
2008-01-03 22:22 < Yert> Messedrocker: Anyone beats bush.
2008-01-03 22:23 < The359> Cheney?
2008-01-03 22:23 < FastLizard4> Yert: You took the words right out of my mouth
2008-01-03 22:23 < Yert> Cheney and bush should go hunting together :O
2008-01-03 22:23 < Messedrocker> Yert: What about Mussolini?
2008-01-03 22:23 < Yert> Messedrocker: ...
2008-01-03 22:23 < Messedrocker> Yes, that is a fine looking ellipsis
2008-01-03 22:23 < FastLizard4> Messedrocker: I am, a fence sitter on that...
2008-01-03 22:23 < cimon> FastLizard4: or cycling with shotguns...
2008-01-03 22:23 < lc2> bush is a wonderful man and the best president america has ever had
2008-01-03 22:24 < cimon> FastLizard4: you remember how bush collided with a police...
2008-01-03 22:24 < Yert> :O
2008-01-03 22:24 < FastLizard4> cimon: Yes
2008-01-03 22:24 < FastLizard4> lc2: You can't be serious
2008-01-03 22:24 < Yert> /mode #wikipedia +b lc2
2008-01-03 22:24 < FastLizard4> X-D
2008-01-03 22:25 < lc2> i'm kidding
2008-01-03 22:25 < FastLizard4> Wait, I forgot I can't op here
2008-01-03 22:25 < lc2> i just wanted to see what you'd all say
2008-01-03 22:25 < FastLizard4> My mind is still over at #wikia-metroid
2008-01-03 22:25 < cimon> don't mind me, I am kindof light-headed with a head cold and meds.
2008-01-03 22:25 < FastLizard4> Stupid ChanServ
2008-01-03 22:25 < lc2> cimon: goodness me
2008-01-03 22:25 < lc2> is everyone getting a cold?
2008-01-03 22:26 < cimon> lc2: around here, pretty much...
2008-01-03 22:26 < FastLizard4> cimon: I just had four wisdom teeth extracted under a general anesthetic earlier today my time (PST - United States)
2008-01-03 22:26 < Yert> Hillary is speeching.
2008-01-03 22:26 < ROnwillwin> bushi s a fucktard
2008-01-03 22:26 < ROnwillwin> fuck
2008-01-03 22:26 < Yert> they are chating!
2008-01-03 22:26 < Yert> *Chanting
2008-01-03 22:26 < cimon> lc2: the coming of proper freezing weather is dragging it's heels here...
2008-01-03 22:26 < Yert> She is trying to get them to stop.
2008-01-03 22:26 < ROnwillwin> hillary: I can't beleive that nigger meat me!
2008-01-03 22:27 < Yert> :O
2008-01-03 22:27 < lc2> cimon: everyone over here seems to be getting colds too
2008-01-03 22:27 < cimon> lc2: so we have the perfect breeding ground for sniffles.
2008-01-03 22:27 < MUNCHLAX> emocrats
2008-01-03 22:27 < lc2> i'm about the only person who hasn't
2008-01-03 22:27 < cimon> a cold snap frequently kills the bugs.,
2008-01-03 22:27 < ROnwillwin> er
2008-01-03 22:27 < ROnwillwin> beat me
2008-01-03 22:28 < FastLizard4> Politics sure is fun...
2008-01-03 22:28 < lc2> it's not
2008-01-03 22:28 < lc2> it's fucking stupid
2008-01-03 22:28 < FastLizard4> Yert: What TV channel is the Hillary speech on?
2008-01-03 22:28 < Yert> FastLizard4: CNN
2008-01-03 22:28 < lc2> and depressing
2008-01-03 22:29 < FastLizard4> lc2: Think about it, it's the only time you can curse people without getting arrested
2008-01-03 22:29 < FastLizard4> (read: banned)
2008-01-03 22:29 < lc2> FastLizard4: cursing is banned in here?
2008-01-03 22:29 < lc2> since when?
2008-01-03 22:29 < FastLizard4> lc2: It depends on what you're cursing at
2008-01-03 22:29 < The359> Fuck no
2008-01-03 22:29 < lc2> FastLizard4: politicians
2008-01-03 22:29 < lc2> i want to shoot them all into the fucking sun
2008-01-03 22:30 < Yert> she is cracking republican jokes
2008-01-03 22:30 < FastLizard4> lc2: Good idea
2008-01-03 22:30 < ROnwillwin> fuck hillary
2008-01-03 22:30 < ROnwillwin> shes Bush lite
2008-01-03 22:30 < lc2> ROnwillwin: indeed
2008-01-03 22:30 < FastLizard4> ROnwillwin: I agree
2008-01-03 22:30 * FastLizard4 wonders what Spock would say
2008-01-03 22:30 < Yert> Hillary will kick your asses
2008-01-03 22:30 < lc2> well, it's not so much that
2008-01-03 22:30 < lc2> it's more that they're all assholes
2008-01-03 22:30 < ROnwillwin> lol
2008-01-03 22:30 < lc2> so no wonder they all seem alike
2008-01-03 22:31 < ROnwillwin> hillary supports the war in iraq
2008-01-03 22:31 < lc2> (exception: ron paul FUCK YEAH)
2008-01-03 22:31 < ROnwillwin> a eventual war on iran
2008-01-03 22:31 < ROnwillwin> and wastefull spending of the congress
2008-01-03 22:31 < cimon> I have to say Edwards was far more eloquent than Clinton.
2008-01-03 22:31 < FastLizard4> ROnwillwin: No surprise when we eventually /do/ declare war on Iran
2008-01-03 22:31 < FastLizard4> I like Edwards more than Hillary or Obama
2008-01-03 22:31 < cimon> just in their speeches right now.
2008-01-03 22:32 < cimon> Edwards talks a good game in general.
2008-01-03 22:32 < FastLizard4> Let's see, CNN is channel 206 for me...
2008-01-03 22:32 < FastLizard4> ahh!
2008-01-03 22:32 < ROnwillwin> edwards is a populist
2008-01-03 22:32 < FastLizard4> hmm...
2008-01-03 22:32 < ROnwillwin> i dont like populists
2008-01-03 22:32 < FastLizard4> Bah, politics
2008-01-03 22:33 < cimon> ROnwillwin: well, Clinton is a bruiser...
2008-01-03 22:33 < Golbez> Edwards is Huey Long without the oomph.
2008-01-03 22:33 < ROnwillwin> whos huey long
2008-01-03 22:34 < Golbez> Depression-era populist who essentially became dictator of Louisiana
2008-01-03 22:34 < Golbez> Ron won't win but I'm very happy with his result. He came in second :o at my precinct in Cedar Rapids.
2008-01-03 22:34 < ROnwillwin> they one who got killed?
2008-01-03 22:35 < ROnwillwin> did you vote golbez
2008-01-03 22:35 < Golbez> yes, the one who got killed
2008-01-03 22:35 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-03 22:35 < lc2> hi Golbez
2008-01-03 22:35 < ROnwillwin> did you vote golbez
2008-01-03 22:35 < lc2> hi NotACow
2008-01-03 22:35 < Golbez> and yes I did, I was one of the 9 at my precinct who caucused for Ron Paul
2008-01-03 22:35 < Golbez> 22 caucused for Huckabee
2008-01-03 22:35 < NotACow> Golbez: you crazy fuck
2008-01-03 22:35 < Golbez> haha
2008-01-03 22:35 < Golbez> whatever he came in second, i can't be that crazy
2008-01-03 22:35 < ROnwillwin> small precint
2008-01-03 22:35 < Golbez> yeah, 40 people or so
2008-01-03 22:35 < NotACow> hey, he's beating guiliani
2008-01-03 22:35 < Golbez> my gf says the democratic precinct had around 150
2008-01-03 22:36 < ROnwillwin> theres only 3% between first and fifth place
2008-01-03 22:36 < ROnwillwin> and the college vote aint in yet
2008-01-03 22:36 < Messedrocker> who cockused for dodd
2008-01-03 22:36 < ROnwillwin> he could still get 4th or even 3rd
2008-01-03 22:36 < ROnwillwin> dodd just dropped out
2008-01-03 22:37 < Messedrocker> pulled out of the action
2008-01-03 22:37 < Messedrocker> like a catholic
2008-01-03 22:38 < ROnwillwin> fuckabee is on
2008-01-03 22:38 < NotACow> i expected huckabee to win iowa.
2008-01-03 22:38 < NotACow> romney is too good-hair for iowans
2008-01-03 22:38 < FastLizard4> CNN predicts the victors will be Atomic-Obama and Huckabee
2008-01-03 22:39 < NotACow> "atomic-obama"?
2008-01-03 22:39 < ROnwillwin> chuck norris is behind huckafuck
2008-01-03 22:39 < NotACow> could chuck norris possibly have whiter teeth?
2008-01-03 22:40 < ROnwillwin> huck won the vote because of blind evangelicals
2008-01-03 22:40 < ROnwillwin> who did not care about issues
2008-01-03 22:40 < ROnwillwin> just whether he was a pastor or not
2008-01-03 22:40 < NotACow> all blinded by the glare from chuck norris' teeth!
2008-01-03 22:40 < Messedrocker> chuck norris invented homosexuality
2008-01-03 22:41 < NotACow> ROnwillwin: republicans vote for whoever god tells them to
2008-01-03 22:41 < shimgray> a friend of mine went to see Huckabee in NH, and managed to get him to say he wanted to "create an American military so strong that no one would actually take it on. (Like Chuck Norris, he said.)"
2008-01-03 22:41 < shimgray> I love that he actually invoked Chuck Norris *in his answer*
2008-01-03 22:41 < Krimpet> romney lost? and I bought all this magic underwear in anticipation... :(
2008-01-03 22:42 < NotACow> shimgray: i wonder if he'll appoint chuck norris secretary of badass if he's elected
2008-01-03 22:43 < shimgray> I live in eternal hope
2008-01-03 22:43 < shimgray> "I have the pleasure to announce, today, the appointment of Carlos Ray Norris as United States Ambassador to the United Nations"
2008-01-03 22:44 < ROnwillwin> huckabee is the most unelectable candidate in the running
2008-01-03 22:44 < Interstate_44> We should have a U.S. Department of Badass.
2008-01-03 22:44 < Messedrocker> funded by taxpayers, too!
2008-01-03 22:45 < Messedrocker> it's less of a waste of money than the iraq war...
2008-01-03 22:45 < ROnwillwin> thompson pulled ahead of mccain again
2008-01-03 22:45 < Interstate_44> We could have the Roundhouse Kick to the Face Administration under it
2008-01-03 22:45 < Lycurgus_> i guess the countries with no gini data are the ones with the highest values
2008-01-03 22:45 < ROnwillwin> ron paul got around 10k votes
2008-01-03 22:46 < NotACow> looks as though paul might break double digits
2008-01-03 22:46 < Krimpet> hopefully that's all ron paul gets nationwide. :)
2008-01-03 22:46 < ROnwillwin> I think mccain may drop out
2008-01-03 22:46 < ROnwillwin> its between mccain and thompson
2008-01-03 22:46 < ROnwillwin> paul already broke double digits
2008-01-03 22:47 < ROnwillwin> hes been 10 percent all along
2008-01-03 22:47 < ROnwillwin> Iowa is historically the weakest state for eventual presidents
2008-01-03 22:47 < ROnwillwin> and it will be pauls weakest state I think
2008-01-03 22:47 < ROnwillwin> it has do with corn subsidies and the rabid evangelical locos
2008-01-03 22:48 < Messedrocker> why can't new jersey be the first caucus state
2008-01-03 22:48 < NotACow> POOT
2008-01-03 22:48 < NotACow> ON TO NEW HAMPSHIRE!
2008-01-03 22:48 < Interstate_44> "Dodd ends campaign"
2008-01-03 22:48 * Messedrocker sends NotACow on the loony train to New Hampshire
2008-01-03 22:48 < Interstate_44> Who the hell is Dodd?
2008-01-03 22:48 < ROnwillwin> he will come in at least 3rd in new hampshire
2008-01-03 22:48 < Messedrocker> Chris Dodd
2008-01-03 22:48 < NotACow> Interstate_44: some dude from connecticut
2008-01-03 22:48 < ROnwillwin> they have the largest libertarian community in the country
2008-01-03 22:48 < Interstate_44> Never heard of him
2008-01-03 22:49 < cimon> I sortof thought Dodd made Gore look like a warm and cuddly toy.
2008-01-03 22:49 < ROnwillwin> jefferson county still is not reporting
2008-01-03 22:49 < ROnwillwin> and thats supposedly ron paul central
2008-01-03 22:50 < Lycurgus_> Dodd actually was the smartest I think.
2008-01-03 22:50 < ROnwillwin> I heard numbers as high as 3k ron supporters just in that region
2008-01-03 22:50 < Lycurgus_> or maybe Richardson.
2008-01-03 22:50 < ROnwillwin> what about kookcinich
2008-01-03 22:51 < ROnwillwin> considering the campaign only spent 100 k dollars on Iowa
2008-01-03 22:51 < ROnwillwin> we did well
2008-01-03 22:51 < Lycurgus_> Guilianit is either smart or just mean, I guess they can be confused
2008-01-03 22:51 < cimon> Lycurgus: There are a surprising number of intelligent candidates there...
2008-01-03 22:51 < cimon> Lycurgus_: Giuliani isn't that smart...
2008-01-03 22:51 < Lycurgus_> well you know I mean compared to Huckabee or the like
2008-01-03 22:52 < aperson> I would like to pick my choice for presidential candidate based on who can generate the most random pattern of dots on a 10"x10" sheet of paper
2008-01-03 22:52 < cimon> Lycurgus_: in the Newsweek "Issues of the coming year" magazine Giuliani said he would like to see Israel inside Nato. That doesn't speak volumes of IQ to me.
2008-01-03 22:53 < Lycurgus_> you see the questionnaire the New Yorker has on him on their website right now
2008-01-03 22:53 < Lycurgus_> *should
2008-01-03 22:53 < Messedrocker> "Do you hold any degrees?"
2008-01-03 22:54 < Messedrocker> "Yes, I hold two Ph. D.s and a Canon Law degree."
2008-01-03 22:54 < Messedrocker> "We believe you."
2008-01-03 22:54 < cimon> Lycurgus_: though Huckabees quips on jesus and the devil being brothers as a refutation of mormonism was pretty stupid, when he himself hints at creationism
2008-01-03 22:54 < ROnwillwin> if ron paul were a ex pastor i wonder if he would of won iowa
2008-01-03 22:54 < Messedrocker> would HAVWE
2008-01-03 22:55 < Messedrocker> HAVE
2008-01-03 22:55 < cimon> would has
2008-01-03 22:55 < Leslie_S> bleh
2008-01-03 22:55 < FastLizard4> /ro does magic things for me
2008-01-03 22:55 < Krimpet> cimon: he's also performed in drag multiple times while trying to court the socially conservative vote. not exactly a wise move :P
2008-01-03 22:56 < ROnwillwin> http://www.justin.tv/ronpaultv
2008-01-03 22:56 < ROnwillwin> paule is speak
2008-01-03 22:56 < Lycurgus_> yeah that was one of the questions
2008-01-03 22:56 < Lycurgus_> I got 13 of 18 right and that was one of em
2008-01-03 22:56 < Lycurgus_> the ones about which cronies were convicted for what threw me
2008-01-03 22:58 < Lycurgus_> well hot damn, looks like the POTUS might be black liek meh
2008-01-03 22:59 < kenlyric> Lycurgus_: you must be new here.
2008-01-03 22:59 < kenlyric> Iowa doesn't matter
2008-01-03 22:59 < ROnwillwin> ron paul just gained about 100 votes on mccain
2008-01-03 22:59 < NotACow> kenlyric: iowa doesn't matter but it matters a whole hell of a lot
2008-01-03 22:59 < cimon> Basically if Giuliani wins the presidency, he will need to be speed-coached in international affairs, pretty much to the same degree as the current president was in the first days of his presidency.
2008-01-03 23:00 * Krimpet wonders what percentage of Ron Paul voters actually thought they were voting for RuPaul.
2008-01-03 23:00 < ROnwillwin> sounds like we got better delegate support than ron paul
2008-01-03 23:00 < NotACow> ron paul has as good a chance of winning as giuliani
2008-01-03 23:00 < kenlyric> NotACow: it's not a predictor of party nominations or of presidential winners.
2008-01-03 23:00 < kenlyric> at best it's hope for also-ran candidates.
2008-01-03 23:01 < kenlyric> bill clinton's impressive 3% in 1992 ;)
2008-01-03 23:01 < ROnwillwin> giulianni had 3% in iowa
2008-01-03 23:01 < ROnwillwin> ron paul 10%>
2008-01-03 23:02 < Lycurgus_> no, IA in and of itself doesn't matter. But the democratic candidate is likely to win and Obama looks a lot stronger than Clinton. kenlyric, new where?
2008-01-03 23:02 < ROnwillwin> hmm
2008-01-03 23:02 < ROnwillwin> theyre showing the voters based on non religious voters
2008-01-03 23:03 < ROnwillwin> and paul comes in quite high
2008-01-03 23:03 < Leslie_S> damn, im good.
2008-01-03 23:03 < Leslie_S> oh wait, i shouldnt talk about that in public
2008-01-03 23:03 < kenlyric> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus#Democrats
2008-01-03 23:03 < kenlyric> hardly what I'd call a stellar track record.
2008-01-03 23:04 < kenlyric> feb 5 or bust, k?
2008-01-03 23:04 < Alkivar> wowsers
2008-01-03 23:04 < Alkivar> i didnt expect paul to beat guliani by that much of a margin
2008-01-03 23:05 < cimon> Alkivar: do note that Rudy hardly spent a cent in Iowa
2008-01-03 23:05 < ROnwillwin> cimon: do note he spent more than ron paul
2008-01-03 23:05 < ROnwillwin> Rudy spent aproximately 120k or so in Iowa
2008-01-03 23:05 < cimon> didn't know that. thank you.
2008-01-03 23:05 < ROnwillwin> which is nothing
2008-01-03 23:05 < ROnwillwin> ron paul spent around 100 k
2008-01-03 23:06 < ROnwillwin> of course grassroots movement might of spent up and above another 100k
2008-01-03 23:06 < Lycurgus_> of course it's not inevitable that the american people accept this process, just highly likely. Stuff does on occasion happen though. bbl.
2008-01-03 23:06 < ROnwillwin> I know there was a PAC that spent 35k on tv spots in iowa
2008-01-03 23:07 < cimon> I am basically waiting for Lubaf to come online, and idling, babbling on... I really need to know whether I can go agains't Mughash the Kobold lord with my current levels and HP...
2008-01-03 23:07 < ROnwillwin> im still waiting for the college vote
2008-01-03 23:07 < ROnwillwin> jefferson city is the major college vote
2008-01-03 23:07 < ROnwillwin> and reports are coming in amongst grasrooters that paul won there
2008-01-03 23:08 < Alkivar> ron paul has almost hit 20mil in donations
2008-01-03 23:08 < ROnwillwin> 392
2008-01-03 23:08 < ROnwillwin> from jefferson city
2008-01-03 23:08 < ROnwillwin> and theres on precint that has 500 people that hasnt reported yet
2008-01-03 23:08 < Alkivar> he's at 19,765,973 and some change according to his website
2008-01-03 23:08 < ROnwillwin> and he beat huckabee there
2008-01-03 23:09 < Alkivar> unfortunately college age voters tend to be the least likely to actually show up to vote
2008-01-03 23:09 < Alkivar> on election day anyway
2008-01-03 23:09 < ROnwillwin> yep but im college age
2008-01-03 23:09 < ROnwillwin> and im showing up in my state
2008-01-03 23:10 < Alkivar> you got a car?
2008-01-03 23:10 < ROnwillwin> no
2008-01-03 23:10 < Alkivar> too bad
2008-01-03 23:10 < ROnwillwin> but i live with my mom and dad
2008-01-03 23:10 < ROnwillwin> and they both always vote
2008-01-03 23:10 < ROnwillwin> so
2008-01-03 23:10 < ROnwillwin> touche
2008-01-03 23:10 < ROnwillwin> oh
2008-01-03 23:10 < Alkivar> driving extra people to the polls = more college age votes
2008-01-03 23:10 < ROnwillwin> and im getting them to vote for rp too
2008-01-03 23:10 < ROnwillwin> im trying to contact my friend
2008-01-03 23:10 < ROnwillwin> to make him register
2008-01-03 23:11 < Krimpet> I absentee-voted in the 2006 midterm elections, though I need to figure out how the process works since my family moved and I'm now a legal resident of TX instead...
2008-01-03 23:12 < ROnwillwin> i try to get everyone to vote
2008-01-03 23:12 < ROnwillwin> evne people I disagree with
2008-01-03 23:13 < ROnwillwin> btw
2008-01-03 23:13 < Alkivar> i've said for years i dont care who you vote for as long as you vote... otherwise you have no right to complain about whos in the white house or how they are doing
2008-01-03 23:13 * Krimpet hopes to lend her support for Biden, even though he doesn't have a chance
2008-01-03 23:13 < ROnwillwin> from the entrance polls
2008-01-03 23:13 < ROnwillwin> 70% of the republicans voting in Iowa though the war in iraq was going well
2008-01-03 23:13 < ROnwillwin> 90% said they wanted to stay in iraq
2008-01-03 23:13 < ROnwillwin> 80% said the Bush presidency was Excellent
2008-01-03 23:14 < ROnwillwin> so getting 10% of the vote when your policies are against all these things
2008-01-03 23:14 < ROnwillwin> not bad
2008-01-03 23:14 < ROnwillwin> and I think most other states will not have those percentages
2008-01-03 23:14 < ROnwillwin> or those loyal bushies and necons
2008-01-03 23:14 < NotACow> ron is insane
2008-01-03 23:14 < ROnwillwin> neo
2008-01-03 23:14 < Wizardman> wow, major fuck up here http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/
2008-01-03 23:14 < Wizardman> overall fundraising leaders has Ron Paul as a democrat, lol
2008-01-03 23:14 < ROnwillwin> not at all
2008-01-03 23:15 < NotACow> that page doesn't render meaningfully on my browser
2008-01-03 23:15 < NotACow> paul is too insane to be in any one party
2008-01-03 23:16 < NotACow> he lost me when he indicated that he'd put the US on the gold standard
2008-01-03 23:16 < Alkivar> why>
2008-01-03 23:16 < Wizardman> Who Didn't John Tyson give money to?
2008-01-03 23:16 < NotACow> Alkivar: i don't like hyperinflation
2008-01-03 23:16 < Alkivar> thats considered one of the most sane things to do by NUMEROUS economists
2008-01-03 23:16 < NotACow> Alkivar: name one
2008-01-03 23:16 < ROnwillwin> in fact most economists
2008-01-03 23:17 < ROnwillwin> The Cato Institute, Mises Institute
2008-01-03 23:17 < ROnwillwin> the biggest and greatest thinktanks been saying this for years
2008-01-03 23:17 < MUNCHLAX> more like the digg institute
2008-01-03 23:17 < Krimpet> he lost me after I learned he wants to abolish virtually government agency, to a nonsensical degree
2008-01-03 23:17 < ROnwillwin> digg institute?
2008-01-03 23:17 < ROnwillwin> never heard of that school
2008-01-03 23:18 < kenlyric> thinktank is code word for PAC
2008-01-03 23:18 < Krimpet> no public education, for chrissake? do we really want to go back to the 1700s?
2008-01-03 23:18 < ROnwillwin> yes
2008-01-03 23:18 < ROnwillwin> the cato institute is a pac
2008-01-03 23:18 < ROnwillwin> your totally right
2008-01-03 23:18 < ROnwillwin> -_-
2008-01-03 23:18 < MUNCHLAX> (￣ー￣)