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2008-01-03 20:03 < Mahlzahn> I always thought that was a very wierd expression: "breaking of wind" I wonder where that comes from.
2008-01-03 20:04 < Demi> Mahlzahn - probably from the classic song
2008-01-03 20:04 < Demi> "Will our voices be heard?/ Or wil they break! like! the wind!"
2008-01-03 20:04 < Mahlzahn> well, in english english a windbreaker is a windcheater.
2008-01-03 20:04 < TheWeasel> Dodd will drop out unless among the top four
2008-01-03 20:04 < Demi> that's spinal tap, obviously
2008-01-03 20:05 < Mahlzahn> "obviously" :)
2008-01-03 20:05 * Mahlzahn is an ignoramus when it comes to pop culture
2008-01-03 20:05 < Mahlzahn> or perhaps even an ignoramus altogether
2008-01-03 20:06 < Mahlzahn> "fachidiot" is the expression
2008-01-03 20:06 * TheWeasel has never seen Spinal Tap, but that's my dislike for long black hair on males music
2008-01-03 20:06 < EconomicScience_> the United States article and the world map of the Gini coefficient need updating.
2008-01-03 20:06 < TheWeasel> Mahlzahn: In these campaign times, we call that "single-issue voter"
2008-01-03 20:06 < Mahlzahn> oic
2008-01-03 20:06 < Mahlzahn> EconomicScience_: do it!
2008-01-03 20:07 < Demi> TheWeasel - well, it's funny, and of course it makes fun of the music you dislike, so i don't see why you shouldn't enjoy it
2008-01-03 20:07 < TheWeasel> Heh, alright
2008-01-03 20:07 < EconomicScience_> I'm in the process, editing the SVG file and preserving the original res seems to result in a huge file (125 meg).
2008-01-03 20:07 < TheWeasel> I am excuseless
2008-01-03 20:07 < Demi> the film at least is really something you need in your pop culture arsenal, like the grail
2008-01-03 20:07 < Demi> okay, quitting time, folks, must run, have fun
2008-01-03 20:08 < TheWeasel> cheers
2008-01-03 20:08 < Mahlzahn> It feels like pop culture was something I lived through many moons ago.
2008-01-03 20:08 < Mahlzahn> gnight
2008-01-03 20:09 < Mahlzahn> well, I wanted to go into Golden Compass this evening, but that fell flat.
2008-01-03 20:09 * TheWeasel is still far involved in pop culture, but mostly my parents'
2008-01-03 20:09 < Mahlzahn> I am not having a good new year start by any means.
2008-01-03 20:10 < TheWeasel> heh, ein demokratischer Ortsverein
2008-01-03 20:10 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-01-03 20:11 < TheWeasel> C-SPAN are desperate
2008-01-03 20:11 < TheWeasel> they're so bored that they comment on the fetching of drinks
2008-01-03 20:11 < Dave_is_sexy> Hi guys. If somebody archives part of a discussion, and indicates a consensus has been found, when it hasn't and the discussion is still live, what do you do?
2008-01-03 20:11 < EconomicScience_> guess, I'll put an updated one the same size (~4MB)
2008-01-03 20:12 < Mahlzahn> yes, the insistence on SVG is sometimes ridiculous
2008-01-03 20:13 < Mahlzahn> Dave_is_sexy: restore to pre-archive.
2008-01-03 20:13 < Mahlzahn> or summarize the archive yourself
2008-01-03 20:13 < TheWeasel> Depends on who did it and what went before, I guess
2008-01-03 20:14 < mavhk> what do you mean by "preserving the original res"?
2008-01-03 20:14 < Leslie_S> store secuirty isnt too dangerous of a job, is it?
2008-01-03 20:14 < TheWeasel> the room is far too small to separate the groups
2008-01-03 20:14 < Leslie_S> TheWeasel, rofl
2008-01-03 20:14 < EconomicScience_> Dave_is_sexy: what's the article?
2008-01-03 20:14 < Mahlzahn> mavhk: I understood it as bitmap inside svg
2008-01-03 20:15 < TheWeasel> heh, they're campaigning on the spot!
2008-01-03 20:15 < Lycurgus> well I see it as a SVG file.
2008-01-03 20:15 < TheWeasel> it's fun
2008-01-03 20:15 < Mahlzahn> and yes, someone needs to write an svg optimizer.
2008-01-03 20:16 < Lycurgus> the current resolutions is 4500x2234
2008-01-03 20:16 < TheWeasel> it's kind of like "I'm in the red group because I drew a red candy!"
2008-01-03 20:16 < mavhk> if there's a bitmap inside the svg then a change in filesize may be due to a different bitmap compression being used, eg uncompressed instead of jpeg
2008-01-03 20:16 < TheWeasel> btw, can you say "a candy"?
2008-01-03 20:16 < TheWeasel> or is candy always article-less?
2008-01-03 20:17 < mavhk> is it continuous or discrete
2008-01-03 20:17 < TheWeasel> Well, countable or uncountable in this case, so yes
2008-01-03 20:17 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 20:17 < Lycurgus> I'm using GIMP and it doesn't seem to recognize the stated res but that's standard for GIMP, doesn't usually cause a problem to spec different.
2008-01-03 20:17 < TheWeasel> only old people there
2008-01-03 20:17 < mavhk> why are you using gimp to edit an svg?
2008-01-03 20:17 < TheWeasel> and young
2008-01-03 20:18 < Mahlzahn> mavhk: because its free and doesn't crash?
2008-01-03 20:18 < TheWeasel> the winner will be a cross between the old people's and the young people's favorite
2008-01-03 20:18 < mavhk> bit it's not a vector editor afaik
2008-01-03 20:18 < Lycurgus> why are you asking me if I use Graphics Mainpulation Program to manipulate a graphic?
2008-01-03 20:18 < Mahlzahn> mavhk: yes, but it can still load the svgs
2008-01-03 20:18 < TheWeasel> if the graphic in question hangs in a museum...
2008-01-03 20:19 < mavhk> Mahlzahn: yes, but that's missing the point
2008-01-03 20:19 < TheWeasel> can't they just all push a button once and get it over with without a cattle call?
2008-01-03 20:19 < mavhk> I can edit html in gimp too
2008-01-03 20:19 < Lycurgus> Mahlzahn: if you do the image I'll get the text, just make the US and the Mexico the same color as their Gini coefficients are in the same range now per the legend.
2008-01-03 20:20 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: EconomicScience_ has done it already.
2008-01-03 20:20 < TheWeasel> it's such an odd procedure o.O
2008-01-03 20:21 < sarahc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling <-- No info on how it works technically?!
2008-01-03 20:21 < Lycurgus> ie as shown on [[Gini coefficient]]. I am EconomicScience_ .
2008-01-03 20:21 < Mahlzahn> ew. ok.
2008-01-03 20:21 < TheWeasel> sarahc: Be bold and fix it
2008-01-03 20:21 < Mahlzahn> doing
2008-01-03 20:22 < sarahc> TheWeasel: I have no idea how it works... that's what I came there to learn!!
2008-01-03 20:22 * soufron hello
2008-01-03 20:22 < TheWeasel> heh, thats fine
2008-01-03 20:22 < mavhk> be rich, pay someone to fix it
2008-01-03 20:22 < sarahc> How can the bowling hall machines get it right 100% of the time?
2008-01-03 20:22 < TheWeasel> it's strange that there should be nothing
2008-01-03 20:23 < TheWeasel> I guess that falling pins just pull a rope, closing a circuit
2008-01-03 20:23 < mavhk> what's a bowling hall machine?
2008-01-03 20:24 < TheWeasel> I took it to mean the apparatus that converts fallen pins to points
2008-01-03 20:24 < sarahc> Yes...
2008-01-03 20:24 < Evil_Monkey> http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/pinsetter.htm
2008-01-03 20:24 < Evil_Monkey> How Bowling Pinsetters Work
2008-01-03 20:24 < TheWeasel> Yay!
2008-01-03 20:24 < mavhk> quick, aquire their company and gfdl their content!
2008-01-03 20:25 < sarahc> Cool!
2008-01-03 20:25 < sarahc> Somebody should copy that article into Wikipeida.
2008-01-03 20:25 < mavhk> yes, right after they do the above
2008-01-03 20:26 < TheWeasel> Obama leads in that particular poll-thing, Edwards is third so far
2008-01-03 20:26 < Rinn> I don't know anything about Obama besides him being black.
2008-01-03 20:26 < Rinn> And that Oprah thinks he's Jesus.
2008-01-03 20:27 < TheWeasel> Obama is whatever you want him to be.
2008-01-03 20:27 < Mahlzahn> does anyone know what "vacumn defs" in Inkscape does?
2008-01-03 20:27 < TheWeasel> He's customizable.
2008-01-03 20:27 < Evil_Monkey> Rinn: he is a Democrat. Two things you know now :-)
2008-01-03 20:27 < sarahc> Mahlzahn: Do you know why Inkscape has a special tool for spirals?
2008-01-03 20:27 < TheWeasel> And he has a nice voice and lofty style
2008-01-03 20:27 < mavhk> because they're a pain to do manually?
2008-01-03 20:28 < sarahc> Many shapes are...
2008-01-03 20:28 < TheWeasel> Corel Draw used to have a spiral creater early on
2008-01-03 20:28 < Mahlzahn> sarahc: can I assume that that means that vacumn defs cleans up paths?
2008-01-03 20:28 < sarahc> "Error: Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue." <-- My PC said that once!
2008-01-03 20:28 < Evil_Monkey> are the state primaries and caucuses winner-takes-all in terms of delegates? or does it differ?
2008-01-03 20:28 < sarahc> Mahlzahn: I have no idea... sorry...
2008-01-03 20:29 < FastLizard4> sarahc: Your computer is a dumbshit
2008-01-03 20:29 < TheWeasel> FastLizard4: Civility.
2008-01-03 20:29 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 20:29 < FastLizard4> ...
2008-01-03 20:29 < Rinn> Fuck ass bitch shits!
2008-01-03 20:29 < sarahc> It was a silly computer...
2008-01-03 20:29 < FastLizard4> X-O
2008-01-03 20:29 < mavhk> "Vacuum Defs in File menu, removes unused stuff from the document's <defs>. "
2008-01-03 20:30 < TheWeasel> the greates error message Win 95 was capable of producing was "No Screen Detected"
2008-01-03 20:30 < sarahc> Today I saw somebody with an Amiga on IRC.
2008-01-03 20:30 < Dave_is_sexy> Mahlzahn: but there have been contributions to the discussion page since and, regarding the requested move being discussed, the request has been taken off [[requested moves]]
2008-01-03 20:31 < TheWeasel> Rudy is in south Florida!
2008-01-03 20:31 < TheWeasel> Wtf.
2008-01-03 20:31 < Dave_is_sexy> ...i expect this was someone just clearing the backlog but it is most inconvenient
2008-01-03 20:31 < mavhk> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/struct.html#DefsElement
2008-01-03 20:31 < sarahc> Bowling is a very technically demanding game... surprisingly old people seem to like it.
2008-01-03 20:32 < sarahc> Do they think they have gnomes hired to keep track of stuff?
2008-01-03 20:32 < Rinn> The last time I bowled, I got every ball in the gutter.
2008-01-03 20:32 < Lycurgus> I updated the infobox.
2008-01-03 20:32 * TheWeasel sees crying elderly men
2008-01-03 20:32 < Rinn> People kept saying "Your mind's in the gutter tonight, eh?"
2008-01-03 20:32 < Rinn> Or variants.
2008-01-03 20:32 < Hello32020> IOWA
2008-01-03 20:33 < Rinn> AWOI
2008-01-03 20:33 < TheWeasel> Shmiowa
2008-01-03 20:33 < Hello32020> YENMOR
2008-01-03 20:33 < FastLizard4> ɐʍoɪ
2008-01-03 20:33 < Hello32020> EEBAKCUH
2008-01-03 20:33 < Hello32020> NOTILC
2008-01-03 20:34 < Rinn> Cliton!
2008-01-03 20:34 < sarahc> Internal USA politics are overflowing the Internet! Gaaaah!
2008-01-03 20:34 < sarahc> It's not even close to the election yet.
2008-01-03 20:34 < FastLizard4> Hello32020 and Rinn: ʅəuuɐɥɔ əɥʇ uo ɓuɪuɪɐdɯɐɔ ʅɐɔɪʇɪʅod oN
2008-01-03 20:34 < Rinn> We must dump them all somewhere.
2008-01-03 20:34 < Rinn> Fixedsys! Boxes boxes boxes!
2008-01-03 20:34 < mavhk> sarahc: they're overflowing the uk news too
2008-01-03 20:34 < sarahc> It would be fun if yet another stupid president got elected. I'd love the hear the commentary to that. ^^
2008-01-03 20:34 < TheWeasel> ЮВА
2008-01-03 20:35 < mavhk> I hate it when news shows have things that are going to happen in the future on them, that's not news
2008-01-03 20:35 < FastLizard4> TheWeasel: What is that?
2008-01-03 20:35 < TheWeasel> Cyrillic
2008-01-03 20:35 < gwern> so, the iowans are starting to report in
2008-01-03 20:35 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-03 20:35 < Rinn> Looks like three boxes to me, Liz.
2008-01-03 20:35 < gwern> how the heck did thompson get 6 precincts?
2008-01-03 20:35 < FastLizard4> gwern: No idea at all
2008-01-03 20:35 < gwern> no wait, 11 precincts
2008-01-03 20:36 < gwern> and Edwards is in the democratic lead? wtf
2008-01-03 20:36 < Evil_Monkey> gwern: proably liked him on law and order
2008-01-03 20:36 * Cyrius curses his slow typing
2008-01-03 20:36 < Rinn> Jack Thompson?
2008-01-03 20:36 < Lycurgus> mavhk: GIMP recently added SVG support but I think my version has early and inadequate. What graphics program are you using?
2008-01-03 20:36 < Cyrius> gwern: Edwards is the most realistically electable of the Democrats
2008-01-03 20:36 * Cyrius notes that he did not say "best candidate"
2008-01-03 20:37 < TheWeasel> – "When Rome got to the point of accepting sodomy, they fell"
2008-01-03 20:37 < mavhk> for vector graphics, inkscape
2008-01-03 20:37 < TheWeasel> verbatim from the Huck campaign quarter
2008-01-03 20:37 < gwern> Cyrius: how do you figure over clinton or obama? I'd've thought his lawyer background would hurt him
2008-01-03 20:37 < Cyrius> gwern: clinton is widely disliked, and a woman
2008-01-03 20:38 < Cyrius> obama is percieved as inexperienced, and is black
2008-01-03 20:38 < Rinn> Is it true that some women are voting for Hillary just because she's a woman?
2008-01-03 20:38 < TheWeasel> Thompson's third
2008-01-03 20:38 < TheWeasel> remarkable
2008-01-03 20:38 < Cyrius> edwards is a white male who nobody really has any opinion about
2008-01-03 20:38 < Lycurgus> OK, I see it's free. Did you already get the image or do you want me to?
2008-01-03 20:38 < Evil_Monkey> at least none of them are atheist. Then they would get no votes
2008-01-03 20:38 < gwern> half-black
2008-01-03 20:38 < gwern> Rinn: no doubt it's true
2008-01-03 20:39 < Cyrius> gwern: to people who care, half-black is all black
2008-01-03 20:39 < shimgray> Rinn: some people are no doubt voting against her for just the same reason. and?
2008-01-03 20:39 < Luna-San> Rinn: Doubtless. There are probably some voting against her for the same reason. Ridiculous, either way.
2008-01-03 20:39 < shimgray> Evil_Monkey: The Liberal leader here caused a brief fuss by mentioning he was atheist in an interview
2008-01-03 20:40 < Rinn> I overheard it on a political show. Something to the point of "Oprah supporting Obama shows that women don't have to vote for Hillary because she's female."
2008-01-03 20:40 < Evil_Monkey> shimgray: NZ Prime Minister is a self-described agnostic
2008-01-03 20:40 < Messedrocker> Evil_Monkey, the United States isn't mature enough yet to elect an areligious woman
2008-01-03 20:40 < TheWeasel> Our chancelloress likely polls better among men than women
2008-01-03 20:41 < anon32> we're not talking about Hilary are we? she shouldn't be elected because she's a communist hypocrit.
2008-01-03 20:41 < TheWeasel> anon32: You're right, we're not talking about her.
2008-01-03 20:41 < mavhk> Lycurgus: Importing an SVG into inkscape would generally convert it to a bitmap, instantly losing its vectory goodness
2008-01-03 20:41 < Evil_Monkey> Oddly Helen Clark made the statement she was agnostic in rebuttals to claims she was an atheist
2008-01-03 20:41 < Cyrius> she's not a communist, she's as firmly in the pocket of big business as anyone
2008-01-03 20:41 < mavhk> what's wrong with being a hyprocrit?
2008-01-03 20:41 < Evil_Monkey> in the words of Stephen Colbert, an agnostic is an atheist with no balls
2008-01-03 20:41 < Cyrius> mavhk: uh, what?
2008-01-03 20:41 < TheWeasel> mavhk: What's wrong with being a hypocrite, if it's only me?
2008-01-03 20:41 < anon32> Evil_Monkey, why? because we all have to care whether or not there's a "god"?
2008-01-03 20:41 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 20:42 < anon32> what's wrong with just "I don't give a shit either way"?
2008-01-03 20:42 < mavhk> god or science, we're at war, pick a side
2008-01-03 20:42 < TheWeasel> anon32: That's not agnociticism
2008-01-03 20:42 < TheWeasel> *s
2008-01-03 20:42 < TheWeasel> -i
2008-01-03 20:42 < Cyrius> mavhk: Inkscape is a vector graphics program, wtf are you talking about with bitmaps?
2008-01-03 20:42 < Lycurgus> HEY HEY HEY what about the fucking image!
2008-01-03 20:43 < TheWeasel> Roosevelt High is quite raucous
2008-01-03 20:43 < Lycurgus> (you have keine Ahnung)
2008-01-03 20:43 < gwern> WTF? Fred Thompson is up to 39 to huckabee's 41 and mccain's 43?
2008-01-03 20:43 < mavhk> Cyrius: whoops, I meant GIMP, not Inkscape back there
2008-01-03 20:43 < Lycurgus> asshat
2008-01-03 20:43 < gwern> (and Ron Paul is still at 0 :(
2008-01-03 20:43 < TheWeasel> gwern: Where d'you get that from?
2008-01-03 20:43 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: have you updated List_of_countries_by_income_equality as well?
2008-01-03 20:44 < Lycurgus> no do you want me to?
2008-01-03 20:44 < Mahlzahn> well, it would make sense to, and you have the ref for it as well.
2008-01-03 20:44 < Lycurgus> was just gonna do the US infobox (done) and the GINI map.
2008-01-03 20:45 < gwern> TheWeasel: http://www.politico.com/iowacaucuses/iowamap-popup.html
2008-01-03 20:45 < TheWeasel> Edwards and Huckabee in the lead, which would be just fine
2008-01-03 20:45 < sarahc> [[List_of_countries_by_number_of_people_wearing_brown_shirts_on_Sundays_while_whistling]]
2008-01-03 20:45 < TheWeasel> thanks
2008-01-03 20:46 < Lycurgus> Mealtoof: k, will do but only for US if values need it.
2008-01-03 20:46 < mavhk> now we have those magic self sorting tables you only need 1 page with all the data
2008-01-03 20:46 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: so, US is getting the same color as Mexico. Am I right in that assumption?
2008-01-03 20:46 < TheWeasel> "fresh face"
2008-01-03 20:46 < TheWeasel> GRR
2008-01-03 20:46 < TheWeasel> I hate voter rationales like that
2008-01-03 20:46 < TheWeasel> maybe I'm not personal enough
2008-01-03 20:46 < Lycurgus> yes according to the value ranges for the current legend.
2008-01-03 20:47 < Mahlzahn> ok
2008-01-03 20:47 < Wizardman> I guess us having Edwards on the main page for 20 minutes is helping
2008-01-03 20:47 < mavhk> shouldn't these maps be generated algorithmicaly?
2008-01-03 20:47 < Lycurgus> by wht?
2008-01-03 20:47 < Lycurgus> a
2008-01-03 20:47 < mavhk> edit the svg xml via a script
2008-01-03 20:47 < TheWeasel> Anyone know what became of that?
2008-01-03 20:47 < Centurio_42357> http://myex.ath.cx/?id=5b23b90f
2008-01-03 20:47 < TheWeasel> Any angry Hillary supporters?
2008-01-03 20:47 < mavhk> then they'd always be up to date
2008-01-03 20:47 < Cyrius> gwern: the republican vote totals at the top seem to not be in sync with the per-county numbers
2008-01-03 20:47 < Lycurgus> hmmm
2008-01-03 20:48 * Cyrius does not support angry hillary
2008-01-03 20:48 < Wizardman> i don't care for hilary
2008-01-03 20:48 * FastLizard4 would vote for Edwards was he the legal US voting age
2008-01-03 20:48 < TheWeasel> No
2008-01-03 20:48 < TheWeasel> I mean
2008-01-03 20:48 < TheWeasel> over the Edwards pic issue
2008-01-03 20:48 < TheWeasel> any aggravated Clinton-campaign mail to WMF
2008-01-03 20:49 < Lycurgus> that sounds right. I sense a dress rightness in the force.
2008-01-03 20:49 * Rinn waits for Centurio_42357 to get k-lined
2008-01-03 20:49 < gwern> Cyrius: what d'you mean?
2008-01-03 20:49 < Wizardman> Not to my knowledge.
2008-01-03 20:49 < Wizardman> I think we caught it quick enough that it wasn't a problem
2008-01-03 20:49 < Lycurgus> I would like to see a deathmatch between Hillary and Oprah
2008-01-03 20:49 < TheWeasel> Hillary isn't chosen mostly because of her lack of anger.
2008-01-03 20:50 < TheWeasel> eh, bad double negative
2008-01-03 20:50 < TheWeasel> "the reason why Hillary isn't chosen is because..."
2008-01-03 20:50 < Messedrocker> that's not a double negative
2008-01-03 20:51 < Messedrocker> that's just clumsy
2008-01-03 20:51 < Wizardman> My reports have all 3 within a percentage point now, hmm.
2008-01-03 20:51 < Cyrius> gwern: I think it was just confused or something, it's reporting numbers that make more sense now
2008-01-03 20:51 < gwern> bill richardson is doing better than I figured
2008-01-03 20:51 * TheWeasel predicts an Obama surge from more crowded caucuses
2008-01-03 20:51 < Cyrius> gwern: or rather, numbers that are more consistent with themselves
2008-01-03 20:52 < gwern> Cyrius: looks like it just jumped in numbers
2008-01-03 20:52 < gwern> so it may;ve been an artifact - only 1% of caucuses were reporting in or something
2008-01-03 20:52 < TheWeasel> Edwards wins much rural stuff
2008-01-03 20:52 < gwern> now we're up to 19% abd 2% dems/reps
2008-01-03 20:52 < Cyrius> before it was showing 0 for Ron Paul and Mitt Romney, when the counties with vote numbers were showing non-zero votes for both
2008-01-03 20:53 < Wizardman> about 25% have reported, for me.
2008-01-03 20:53 < Wizardman> What links are you guys looking at?
2008-01-03 20:53 < Cyrius> Wizardman: http://www.politico.com/iowacaucuses/iowamap-popup.html
2008-01-03 20:53 < Cyrius> fancy flash thingy
2008-01-03 20:53 < TheWeasel> This Undetermined guy is doing pretty well
2008-01-03 20:53 < Wizardman> I have Edwards 32.53, Obama 32.47, Clinton 32.35
2008-01-03 20:54 < blanto> i'd like to discuss the marijuana article
2008-01-03 20:54 < TheWeasel> I still have Edwards nearly two points ahead
2008-01-03 20:54 < Cyrius> blanto: what about it?
2008-01-03 20:55 < blanto> Cyde: i think there should be a sub-topic that discusses user's experiences
2008-01-03 20:55 < blanto> i would like to volunteer
2008-01-03 20:55 < Evil_Monkey> [[WP:NOR]]
2008-01-03 20:55 < Cyrius> that would be original research, and is not allowed
2008-01-03 20:55 < Wizardman> looks like Clinton's wining Clinton county
2008-01-03 20:55 < blanto> original research as opposed to what other type(s) of research?
2008-01-03 20:55 < TheWeasel> Wizardman: Do they have a Paul County?
2008-01-03 20:55 < Cyrius> non-original =)
2008-01-03 20:55 < Rinn> Non-original research, of course.
2008-01-03 20:55 < blanto> wtf does that mean
2008-01-03 20:56 < TheWeasel> Sources
2008-01-03 20:56 < Rinn> Research which is not original.
2008-01-03 20:56 < blanto> why can't i be a source?
2008-01-03 20:56 < Messedrocker> don't tell anyone, but i want ron paul to win on the republican caucus
2008-01-03 20:56 < Cyrius> because you're just some guy
2008-01-03 20:56 < Messedrocker> i don't know why
2008-01-03 20:56 < blanto> i have 10 years experience in the subject
2008-01-03 20:57 < TheWeasel> Messedrocker: That is the most frequent answer when you ask people why they like Ron
2008-01-03 20:57 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: [[List of counties in Iowa]]
2008-01-03 20:57 < Lycurgus> using inkscape, doesn't look like they set it up with XML per country values.
2008-01-03 20:57 < TheWeasel> No Paul County!
2008-01-03 20:57 < Messedrocker> TheWeasel, of course, I'll put a hex on everyone should another Republican get the presidency
2008-01-03 20:57 < TheWeasel> Yay
2008-01-03 20:57 * Messedrocker wants Edwards to win President
2008-01-03 20:57 < Wizardman> TheWeasel: nope
2008-01-03 20:57 < Cyrius> I like that Ron Paul seems to be beating the pants off old Rudy
2008-01-03 20:58 < TheWeasel> Clinton won Des Moines-53, it seems
2008-01-03 20:58 < Cyrius> even if he's not doing much more than that
2008-01-03 20:58 < Cyrius> be nice if he got ahead of McCain
2008-01-03 20:59 < gwern> I''m just grateful thompson is falling back
2008-01-03 20:59 < Cyrius> just to see the talking heads try to pretend Paul's not running
2008-01-03 20:59 < MUNCHLAX> DIGG PARTY WOOOOOOO
2008-01-03 20:59 < Cyrius> no, we're talking about Ron Paul, that's a Reddit thing
2008-01-03 21:00 < TheWeasel> Obama one, seems like.
2008-01-03 21:00 < Messedrocker> Cyrius: Noun, verb, 9/11
2008-01-03 21:00 < MUNCHLAX> I fought the law and the
2008-01-03 21:00 < MUNCHLAX> law one
2008-01-03 21:00 < Messedrocker> won.
2008-01-03 21:00 < Cyrius> Messedrocker: zomg, I didn't know you were working for the Giuliani campaign
2008-01-03 21:00 < Wizardman> and Obama's ahead,woot
2008-01-03 21:01 < Cyrius> democrats are way too close to call
2008-01-03 21:01 < Messedrocker> John Edwards is kicking everyone's ass
2008-01-03 21:01 < Wizardman> Kucinich is prolly out though, heh
2008-01-03 21:01 < Cyrius> poor kucinich =(
2008-01-03 21:01 < Cyrius> and we could have had a hot first lady too
2008-01-03 21:01 < Messedrocker> and gravel
2008-01-03 21:01 < Messedrocker> and doddy
2008-01-03 21:01 < Wizardman> I don't mind. I mean, imagine how his representatives feel
2008-01-03 21:01 < TheWeasel> Gravel was still running?
2008-01-03 21:02 < TheWeasel> I liked Dodd, good guy
2008-01-03 21:02 < TheWeasel> I liked Biden even more though
2008-01-03 21:02 * Cyrius is happy that Giuliani is getting kicked in the teeth
2008-01-03 21:02 < TheWeasel> but I have a foreign policy bias
2008-01-03 21:02 < TheWeasel> Rudy is in S Florida
2008-01-03 21:03 < TheWeasel> Paul gets 11% by the county I have
2008-01-03 21:04 < TheWeasel> that's fifth
2008-01-03 21:04 < TheWeasel> Obama will get better the more populated the counties that report back
2008-01-03 21:06 < Leslie_S> omg, full metal alchemist episode 3 is creepy
2008-01-03 21:06 < TheWeasel> wow, draw now
2008-01-03 21:06 < TheWeasel> Clinton drops to third
2008-01-03 21:07 < Cyrius> still too close to call
2008-01-03 21:07 < Lycurgus> how am I missing the path to just update the image preserving it's existing info except for the SVG file?
2008-01-03 21:07 < gwern> Leslie_S: dude fma is srsly old
2008-01-03 21:07 < Cyrius> Lycurgus: do what?
2008-01-03 21:07 < Leslie_S> gwern, so?
2008-01-03 21:07 < Leslie_S> gwern, i just started watching anime a month ago.
2008-01-03 21:08 < gwern> Leslie_S: well then fma is a good place to start
2008-01-03 21:08 < Leslie_S> gwern, i started at samurai champloo and fruits basket :P
2008-01-03 21:08 < gwern> mm. I wouldn't've started with Champloo, but fruits basket is a solid entry
2008-01-03 21:09 < MUNCHLAX> amiens
2008-01-03 21:09 < gwern> for some reason, champloo's rap stuff never worked for me as well as cowboy bebop's jazz stuff
2008-01-03 21:09 < gwern> que?
2008-01-03 21:10 < TheWeasel> Obama takes the lead, guess he'll win now.
2008-01-03 21:10 < Cyrius> too close to call.
2008-01-03 21:10 < gwern> ouch for hillary. both obama and edwards are ahead
2008-01-03 21:10 < Lycurgus> the summary template comes up when I upload the new file instead of the preexisting summary infor although it recognizes and displays a tn of the existing image
2008-01-03 21:10 < TheWeasel> that probably seals it for him, New Hampshire will be easy if he beats Edwards here
2008-01-03 21:10 < Cyrius> seriously, it's a couple of percent, and there's still plenty left
2008-01-03 21:10 < Lycurgus> {{PD}} would get it I presume.
2008-01-03 21:10 < cimon> didn't Bill come in third in the first contest too?
2008-01-03 21:11 < Cyrius> unless my numbers are just way out of date (or insane)
2008-01-03 21:11 < TheWeasel> He got 3% I think, according to WP
2008-01-03 21:11 * Yert hopes Hillary pulls ahead
2008-01-03 21:12 < Wizardman> lol
2008-01-03 21:12 < TheWeasel> While Huck is probably winning easily
2008-01-03 21:12 * Cyrius hopes Kucinich gets off his 0%
2008-01-03 21:12 < Yert> Obama is a douche.
2008-01-03 21:12 < gwern> goodness. ron paul is only 1% below mccain
2008-01-03 21:12 < TheWeasel> Yea, Obama solidifies, even though it's close
2008-01-03 21:12 < TheWeasel> McCain was about to give up
2008-01-03 21:12 < Cyrius> gwern: not bad for a candidate the media is pretending doesn't exist
2008-01-03 21:12 < gwern> less, technically
2008-01-03 21:13 < TheWeasel> people weren't investing in him I think
2008-01-03 21:13 < gwern> no kidding
2008-01-03 21:13 < TheWeasel> Paul is doing fairly good
2008-01-03 21:13 < Cyrius> gwern: rudy's poor showing fills me with glee
2008-01-03 21:13 < gwern> ditto. my family hates him
2008-01-03 21:13 < Cyrius> and malicious evil laughter
2008-01-03 21:13 < Leslie_S> wwhy the hell did they burn down their house?
2008-01-03 21:13 < Lycurgus> oh it's a commons file, have to update it there.
2008-01-03 21:14 < gwern> we're familiar with him from his tenure in NYC...
2008-01-03 21:14 < Cyrius> anyone who has actually looked at what he's done hates him
2008-01-03 21:14 < Leslie_S> gwern, whats wrong with samurai champloo? i love it. :o
2008-01-03 21:14 < TheWeasel> but 9/11 still sells, but less than he probably hoped
2008-01-03 21:14 < Leslie_S> and the rap is neat
2008-01-03 21:14 < gwern> Leslie_S: the same reason Cortez burned his ships
2008-01-03 21:14 * Cyrius still hasn't seen samurai champloo
2008-01-03 21:14 < TheWeasel> but Romney gets some love too
2008-01-03 21:15 < cimon> Cyrius: Arguably Nagin did better than Giuliani in every other respect than public relations...
2008-01-03 21:15 < gwern> Leslie_S: do you enjoy rap? maybe it's just a side-effect of my distates for rap and hip-hop. I don't think it melds 8at all* with edo period japan
2008-01-03 21:15 < Cyrius> cimon: ouch =)
2008-01-03 21:15 < Cyrius> it's the thompson support that confuses me
2008-01-03 21:16 < Yert> Jeez. Hukabee seems to be dominating.
2008-01-03 21:16 < TheWeasel> Thompson is a different grandpa type than Reagan
2008-01-03 21:16 < TheWeasel> he's a grandpa in stupor
2008-01-03 21:16 * gwern comes back from vacation to find some rather stupid threads on the mls, like this military one
2008-01-03 21:16 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: um...as opposed to the lively grandpa that can't remember your name?
2008-01-03 21:16 < TheWeasel> It would be strange to vote for someone like that
2008-01-03 21:17 < TheWeasel> yes, the grandpa who talks and talks in a friendly tone, regardless whether someone listens or not
2008-01-03 21:17 < gwern> hey don't diss Fred Thompson - he's lazy. like a fox!
2008-01-03 21:17 * Cyrius was not surprised at the alzheimer's diagnosis
2008-01-03 21:17 < Messedrocker> fred thompson is a real 20th century fox
2008-01-03 21:17 < Messedrocker> even though he was probably born in the 19th century
2008-01-03 21:17 < Lycurgus> yeah but Regans was lovable, Thompson's just a creep.
2008-01-03 21:17 < TheWeasel> Clinton about to overtake Edwards
2008-01-03 21:17 < TheWeasel> 1911 I think
2008-01-03 21:18 < Cyrius> Messedrocker: "a real 20th century fox"? he cancels his good shows for reality crap?
2008-01-03 21:18 < Messedrocker> Cyrius, it's a song by The Doors
2008-01-03 21:18 < TheWeasel> Obama pulls away but good now.
2008-01-03 21:18 < Cyrius> Messedrocker: is it? not familiar with that one
2008-01-03 21:18 < Messedrocker> DJ ALKIVAR
2008-01-03 21:19 < TheWeasel> the rest will be his anyway.
2008-01-03 21:19 < Messedrocker> SOME DJ FROM SOMEWHERE
2008-01-03 21:19 < Leslie_S> gwern, i dont enjoy most rap, but the stuff in samurai champloo isneat. ive seen up to episode 16 for the record.
2008-01-03 21:19 < gwern> I see 3 points between him and hillary
2008-01-03 21:19 < Cyrius> Thompson was born in 1942
2008-01-03 21:19 < Leslie_S> gwern, i also like one rap song, verbalicious - dont play nice.
2008-01-03 21:19 < gwern> could be erased yet
2008-01-03 21:19 < Wizardman> Giuliani just shot over Paul
2008-01-03 21:19 < Cyrius> Wizardman: wtfh!?
2008-01-03 21:19 < ron4pawn> with 4 k votes
2008-01-03 21:19 < ron4pawn> sounds like fucking bullshit
2008-01-03 21:19 < Wizardman> I know, was that a glitch or somethin? 3% to 10%?
2008-01-03 21:20 < ron4pawn> diebold rules again?
2008-01-03 21:20 < Leslie_S> gwern, and what went wrong with the resurrection in episode 3?
2008-01-03 21:20 < Leslie_S> ;/
2008-01-03 21:20 < MUNCHLAX> ron pwned
2008-01-03 21:20 < Cyrius> Linn County.
2008-01-03 21:20 < Wizardman> Yup, Linn f'n County
2008-01-03 21:20 < Messedrocker> pawlned
2008-01-03 21:20 < TheWeasel> unsurprisingly, Edwards' support comes from pockets of the state that wouldn't be found dead voting for a Democrat
2008-01-03 21:20 < Cyrius> box-stuffing!
2008-01-03 21:20 * Cyrius is sad now =(
2008-01-03 21:21 < TheWeasel> As you've read 282990218012 times, Paul supporters are tech-savvy
2008-01-03 21:21 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 21:21 < Yert> Obama seems to be gaining >_>
2008-01-03 21:21 < TheWeasel> they mess up flash scripts
2008-01-03 21:21 < TheWeasel> Obama will stay ahead now, thats my prediction
2008-01-03 21:21 * Cyrius has not read that fact that many times, as he cannot read that fast
2008-01-03 21:21 < TheWeasel> they counted the rural parts first, and Edwards' lead wasnt big enough
2008-01-03 21:22 < Cyrius> oh, oh
2008-01-03 21:22 < Cyrius> I missed a joke opportunity
2008-01-03 21:22 < Cyrius> everyone knows the dead vote Democrat in _Illinois_
2008-01-03 21:22 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: as expected, Inkscape crashed.
2008-01-03 21:22 < gwern> Leslie_S: http://www.vgcats.com/anime/?strip_id=3
2008-01-03 21:22 * TheWeasel doesn't believe Obama will win the presidency, not even against Huck
2008-01-03 21:22 < Yert> Obama is not good enough.
2008-01-03 21:22 < Messedrocker> DJ ALKIVAR
2008-01-03 21:22 < TheWeasel> Obama ahead 2.9% now
2008-01-03 21:22 < Messedrocker> CAPTAIN OF UNSTABLE INTERNET CONNECTION
2008-01-03 21:22 < Cyrius> Obama is not white enough =/
2008-01-03 21:22 < TheWeasel> the rest is a shoo-in
2008-01-03 21:22 < Lycurgus> ok the image is updated. What was that list somebody wanted?
2008-01-03 21:22 < Alkivar> fucking nickserv keeps killing me off
2008-01-03 21:23 < Leslie_S> gwern, rofl. but......what went wrong? :o
2008-01-03 21:23 < Wizardman> Dodd, Hunter, Biden are out after Iowa definitely
2008-01-03 21:23 < gwern> for the record, I suspect death note was the best anime of 2007, since I'm not convinced lucky star will turn out to be a classic
2008-01-03 21:23 < Yert> TheWeasel: What channel are you watching?
2008-01-03 21:23 < FastLizard4> Alkivar: ?
2008-01-03 21:23 < alk> wtf
2008-01-03 21:23 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: did you get my note? => "as expected, Inkscape crashed."
2008-01-03 21:23 < Cyrius> uh, wth?
2008-01-03 21:23 < Wizardman> Biden sunk all his money into Iowa, heh. So he's gone
2008-01-03 21:23 < MUNCHLAX> L dies
2008-01-03 21:23 < TheWeasel> I'm watching the flash from the New York Times
2008-01-03 21:23 < Yert> TheWeasel: Is it online?
2008-01-03 21:23 < Cyrius> change your password, Alkivar
2008-01-03 21:23 < TheWeasel> sure
2008-01-03 21:23 < TheWeasel> http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IA.html
2008-01-03 21:23 < Lycurgus> Mahlzahn: it's OK, I'm done with that. Were you the one that wanted an inequality list updated.
2008-01-03 21:23 < Lycurgus> ?
2008-01-03 21:24 < Yert> TheWeasel: I've been watching CNN, but I question their sources
2008-01-03 21:24 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: yes
2008-01-03 21:24 < Cyrius> Alkivar: damnit, stop it
2008-01-03 21:24 < Mahlzahn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
2008-01-03 21:24 < TheWeasel> I dunno, people in studios are sometimes slow to react to new figures
2008-01-03 21:24 < Cyrius> just live with having an underscore
2008-01-03 21:24 < TheLetterE> Alkivar: please change your password to nickserv, someone must know it
2008-01-03 21:24 < TheWeasel> or overlook them in their lists
2008-01-03 21:24 < ron4pawn> ron pwned?
2008-01-03 21:24 < ron4pawn> hardly
2008-01-03 21:24 < TheWeasel> because they prefer talking to random pundits who don't know more either
2008-01-03 21:24 < ron4pawn> Iowa is a bunch of hicks and christians
2008-01-03 21:24 < FastLizard4> Alkivar_: It would stop happening if you identified to NickServ
2008-01-03 21:24 < ron4pawn> hardly very relevant to national issues
2008-01-03 21:25 < Yert> Pennsylvania should have the first primiary :O
2008-01-03 21:25 < TheLetterE> FastLizard4: no, someone is intiating the ghost command
2008-01-03 21:25 < FastLizard4> Oh
2008-01-03 21:25 < FastLizard4> Hmm...
2008-01-03 21:25 < Messedrocker> i wonder i wonder
2008-01-03 21:25 < TheWeasel> Primaries should be arranged according to closeness the previous election
2008-01-03 21:25 < Messedrocker> when i will get around to installing Mac OS X Leopard
2008-01-03 21:25 < Yert> That new york times thing is refusing to laod
2008-01-03 21:25 < TheWeasel> or held at the same time
2008-01-03 21:25 < TheWeasel> sorry
2008-01-03 21:25 < Lycurgus> well the CIA value and the value used in the USA article are diff by .9 ...
2008-01-03 21:26 < ron4pawn> ok
2008-01-03 21:26 < ron4pawn> we figured out where giulannis votes came from
2008-01-03 21:26 < Wizardman> NYT's calling it for GHuckabee already
2008-01-03 21:26 < ron4pawn> Linn county
2008-01-03 21:26 < Lycurgus> that's significant for this statistic, guess I'll add the alternate value as a fn
2008-01-03 21:26 < ron4pawn> 3500 of that county voted for him
2008-01-03 21:26 < Yert> Wizardman: CNN has been calling it for hukkabee for ages.
2008-01-03 21:26 < ron4pawn> out off 4000 people
2008-01-03 21:26 < NotASpy> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7170954.stm
2008-01-03 21:26 < Alkivar> jesus wtf was going on there
2008-01-03 21:26 < Yert> NotASpy: What is that link?
2008-01-03 21:26 < ron4pawn> I smell big bullshit
2008-01-03 21:27 * TheWeasel calls it for Obama
2008-01-03 21:27 < NotASpy> even the BBC is calling it for Huckabee.
2008-01-03 21:27 < Alkivar> no no one had my password
2008-01-03 21:27 < FastLizard4> Who is winning for the dems?
2008-01-03 21:27 < Alkivar> it would appear trillian was logging on to irc and auto-ghosting me
2008-01-03 21:27 < Yert> FastLizard4: Obama
2008-01-03 21:27 < shimgray> Obama has a couple of percent lead, but it's not much
2008-01-03 21:27 < FastLizard4> hmm...
2008-01-03 21:27 < shimgray> Clinton and Edwards are identical, pretty much
2008-01-03 21:27 < shimgray> http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IA.html
2008-01-03 21:27 < Lycurgus> oh, I see it's CIA vs. UN.
2008-01-03 21:27 < TheWeasel> Huckabee has won Iowashire South West!
2008-01-03 21:27 < shimgray> basically, it's a tossup just now, Obama's slightly ahead but only half have called.
2008-01-03 21:28 < Yert> shimgray: Is that link loading for you?
2008-01-03 21:28 < Yert> Its not loading for me.
2008-01-03 21:28 < shimgray> Yert: Fine here
2008-01-03 21:28 < NotASpy> ooh, that's quite good for Hillary, is it not, she was lagging quite a bit was she not ?
2008-01-03 21:28 < FastLizard4> It's going to be a close caucus for the dems
2008-01-03 21:28 < TheWeasel> and the Silly party sweeps Iowa
2008-01-03 21:28 < TheWeasel> Obama is clearly winning
2008-01-03 21:28 < Yert> CNN projected obama won.
2008-01-03 21:28 < TheWeasel> all thats left are urban counties
2008-01-03 21:28 < ron4pawn> Linn county must have been rigged
2008-01-03 21:28 < ron4pawn> lets look up linn county
2008-01-03 21:28 < NotASpy> you need The Monster Raving Loony Party in US politics.
2008-01-03 21:28 < Alkivar> fox news just predicted obama win
2008-01-03 21:29 < Cyrius> it does seem unusual that Giuliani would get a pile of votes in one county and nowhere else
2008-01-03 21:29 < TheWeasel> NotASpy: They've got that. They're calling themselves the Republicans
2008-01-03 21:29 < Alkivar> but huckabee??? wtf is he doing in the lead
2008-01-03 21:29 < Cyrius> Alkivar: who else would be in the lead? Romney?
2008-01-03 21:29 < FastLizard4> The dems are between Obama, Clinton, and Edwards
2008-01-03 21:29 < Cyrius> the republicans are all crazy
2008-01-03 21:29 < Yert> CNN says Obama and hukabbe
2008-01-03 21:29 < Not_the_NSA> NO
2008-01-03 21:29 < Not_the_NSA> CLINTON
2008-01-03 21:29 < TheWeasel> Obama is clearly winning
2008-01-03 21:29 < Not_the_NSA> CLINTON
2008-01-03 21:29 < Not_the_NSA> CLINTON
2008-01-03 21:29 < FastLizard4> bah, politics
2008-01-03 21:29 < Cyrius> except thompson, who's got too little brain activity to be crazy
2008-01-03 21:29 < Alkivar> Cyrius: actually i expected mccain in iowa
2008-01-03 21:29 < Not_the_NSA> TheWeasel: because the iowans are st00pid
2008-01-03 21:30 < TheWeasel> my prediction from when he started surging
2008-01-03 21:30 < Alkivar> not that i expect him nation wide
2008-01-03 21:30 < Alkivar> but in iowa i expected him to win
2008-01-03 21:30 < FastLizard4> Not_the_NSA: Stop flooding the channel and be civil
2008-01-03 21:30 < shimgray> Cyrius: Not really. A handful of persuasive local supporters, or a really good visit to a neglected area, can swing a small area easily enough
2008-01-03 21:30 < TheWeasel> yea, 3.5% now
2008-01-03 21:30 < Cyrius> shimgray: it still seems unusual
2008-01-03 21:30 < Alkivar> anyone know what numbers ron paul put up?
2008-01-03 21:30 < TheWeasel> thats a shoo-in
2008-01-03 21:30 < Not_the_NSA> FastLizard4: yes.... 3 lines, 3 words....huge flood
2008-01-03 21:30 < Messedrocker> Alkivar: Nearly 10%
2008-01-03 21:30 < Cyrius> Alkivar: he was doing well until one county reported a zillion votes for Giuliani
2008-01-03 21:30 < TheWeasel> He can take a gimmie on that one
2008-01-03 21:30 < Alkivar> fox is not showing him at all
2008-01-03 21:30 < ron4pawn> Linn county has to have rigged votes
2008-01-03 21:30 < FastLizard4> Not_the_NSA: Actually, 4 lines, 4 words, and the point is be civil
2008-01-03 21:31 < Yert> CLINTON
2008-01-03 21:31 < Yert> CLINTON
2008-01-03 21:31 < Not_the_NSA> CLINTON
2008-01-03 21:31 < Not_the_NSA> CLINTON
2008-01-03 21:31 < Yert> :O
2008-01-03 21:31 < Cyrius> Alkivar: he's just under McCain
2008-01-03 21:31 < Yert> BOO OBAMA
2008-01-03 21:31 < Wizardman> Yert, Not the NSA: You lost, go away :P
2008-01-03 21:31 < TheWeasel> Linn Cty has Huckabee and Romney tied for 1st
2008-01-03 21:31 < Messedrocker> i see "Linn County" and think "Kelly Lynn Martin"
2008-01-03 21:31 < Alkivar> god... huckabee in iowa... republicans are screwed in the elections
2008-01-03 21:31 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: eh?
2008-01-03 21:31 < TheWeasel> that doesnt look like pro-Giuliani ballot-stuffing to me
2008-01-03 21:31 < Alkivar> they will probably nom that creationist fuck
2008-01-03 21:31 < Yert> BOO OBAMA
2008-01-03 21:32 < Wizardman> The story now is who will finish third in epublican caucuses
2008-01-03 21:32 < Messedrocker> ePublican
2008-01-03 21:32 * TheWeasel thinks Obama will win the whole mess
2008-01-03 21:32 < Messedrocker> i feel like
2008-01-03 21:32 < Wizardman> phew, ignoring Yert now, feel better :)
2008-01-03 21:32 < Messedrocker> like a sanck
2008-01-03 21:32 < TheWeasel> He won't look back from here
2008-01-03 21:32 < Alkivar> msnbc just called iowa for huckabee
2008-01-03 21:32 < FastLizard4> Yert: shush
2008-01-03 21:32 < TheWeasel> He will lose the presidency, to be sure
2008-01-03 21:32 < ron4pawn> Linn county has to have rigged votes
2008-01-03 21:32 < Yert> Alkivar: Its been called for him for 45 minutes
2008-01-03 21:33 < Alkivar> yert: no you dont understand... they said if it was the full election huckabee would win the state overall
2008-01-03 21:33 < TheWeasel> Vote-rigging is pretty hard when you don't even have ballots
2008-01-03 21:33 < Alkivar> not just win the republicans
2008-01-03 21:33 < shimgray> 64% in, Obama's keeping a couple of percent ahead
2008-01-03 21:33 < Yert> TheWeasel: Lol
2008-01-03 21:33 < Alkivar> according to them he has a strong enough vote to take the state overall
2008-01-03 21:33 < Lycurgus> OK, so the value on the US Infobox is actually higher but it's derived from U.S. Census data so it's more authoritative than
2008-01-03 21:33 < Yert> shimgray: CNN has 76% reporting
2008-01-03 21:33 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: the NYTimes and this politico.com disagree about giuliani's votes in Linn County
2008-01-03 21:33 < TheWeasel> Obama is winning, he's got the urban counties ahead of him and it's gonna be easy
2008-01-03 21:33 < TheWeasel> Oh
2008-01-03 21:33 < Lycurgus> either UN or CIA but I can't update that list cause it's CIA vs UN
2008-01-03 21:33 < Lycurgus> .