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2008-01-03 18:37 < Mike_H> Think for yourself.
2008-01-03 18:37 < Mike_H> Bye.
2008-01-03 18:37 < TheWeasel> good luck
2008-01-03 18:37 < Scarian> What's going on in Iowa?
2008-01-03 18:37 < Scarian> Demi: Channel regular?
2008-01-03 18:37 < Aqwis> ronismymom, ron paul
2008-01-03 18:37 < Aqwis> no, not really.
2008-01-03 18:37 < ronismymom> ok
2008-01-03 18:37 < ronismymom> is he republican or democrat
2008-01-03 18:37 < Aqwis> he's a republican.
2008-01-03 18:37 < Scarian> Vote Democrat.
2008-01-03 18:37 < x42bn6> romismymon: it's your vote, don't let anyone sway your vote
2008-01-03 18:37 < MUNCHLAX> he's digg party
2008-01-03 18:38 < Aqwis> x42bn6, shhh
2008-01-03 18:38 < shimgray> don't hear for an hour or so, I think
2008-01-03 18:38 < TheWeasel> Scarian: You vote *within* parties.
2008-01-03 18:38 < Demi> TheWeasel - i think most primaries are open now
2008-01-03 18:38 < Scarian> TheWeasel: For candidates? I knew that... 8-)
2008-01-03 18:38 < ronismymom> too late scarian
2008-01-03 18:38 < Scarian> Err... okay... just vote for whomever you think is best ronismymom.
2008-01-03 18:38 < Demi> i don't know about iowa though
2008-01-03 18:38 < TheWeasel> Vote for the most ridiculous Republican.
2008-01-03 18:38 < TheWeasel> The one easiest to beat
2008-01-03 18:38 < ronismymom> im gonna go vote republican
2008-01-03 18:38 < ronismymom> by
2008-01-03 18:38 < Scarian> No!
2008-01-03 18:38 < Scarian> TheWeasel: What have you done?!
2008-01-03 18:39 < Aqwis> ronismymom, ron paul
2008-01-03 18:39 < ronismymom> so I should vote for mitt romney?
2008-01-03 18:39 < Demi> TheWeasel - but is that ron paul or mitt romney?
2008-01-03 18:39 < Aqwis> no, ron paul
2008-01-03 18:39 < Scarian> TheWeasel: Didn't we have a discussion about Liberalism?
2008-01-03 18:39 < TheWeasel> Ron Paul is so batshit that he'll be easy to beat
2008-01-03 18:39 < Mike_H> Oh, my God, this is such crap. If you can't think for yourself, why even go out and vote?
2008-01-03 18:39 < ronismymom> not if Hillary is the person he goes up against
2008-01-03 18:39 < Scarian> Mike_H: He's only joking.
2008-01-03 18:39 < Demi> Mike_H - Because you're australian, for one.
2008-01-03 18:39 < mavhk> don't vote for people, it only encourages them
2008-01-03 18:39 < TheWeasel> Mike_H: Because he's not voting at all
2008-01-03 18:39 < Scarian> Mike_H: If he's old enough to vote he's mature enough to decide for himself.
2008-01-03 18:39 < Scarian> I hope...
2008-01-03 18:40 < ronismymom> in fact the only way Ron Paul wouldnt be the strongest candidate is if kucinich was the democratic candidate
2008-01-03 18:40 < ronismymom> and thats not gonna happen
2008-01-03 18:40 < Aqwis> mature, but blinded by the US media's propaganda
2008-01-03 18:40 < Demi> I'm going to make up a new list of voting eligibility criteria
2008-01-03 18:41 < TheWeasel> Ron Paul is odd but rabid. Kucinich is odd but gentle. That's the difference.
2008-01-03 18:41 < Scarian> Demi: Yeah... Democrat only.
2008-01-03 18:41 * Aqwis would vote Paul or Kucinich even though they're extremely different -- both seem more honest than the "big" candidates
2008-01-03 18:41 < ronismymom> see I think 70 or 80% of americans are against War
2008-01-03 18:41 < Scarian> ronismymom: Vote Democrat then.
2008-01-03 18:41 < Aqwis> not against War, against the Iraq War ;)
2008-01-03 18:41 < Demi> ronismymom - i wonder
2008-01-03 18:41 < Scarian> Or go independent.
2008-01-03 18:41 < ronismymom> I think hillary has a history of being for this war
2008-01-03 18:41 < Scarian> Vote Obama then.
2008-01-03 18:41 < Rinn> VOTE JERRY BOB
2008-01-03 18:41 < Aqwis> vote Paul
2008-01-03 18:41 * Scarian knows very little about US politics.
2008-01-03 18:41 < ronismymom> Obama is for war on Iran
2008-01-03 18:42 < EvanCarroll> I could never take myself to voting for someone who doesn't beleive in evolution, or is against net-nutrality on any grounds.
2008-01-03 18:42 * Scarian only knows their names.
2008-01-03 18:42 < Demi> if it's really that high, it's a pretty weak conviction
2008-01-03 18:42 < ronismymom> Obama also voted for the patriot act
2008-01-03 18:42 < EvanCarroll> With that said, Ron Paul is out of the picture.
2008-01-03 18:42 < ronismymom> he also made the top 10 list of Judicial Watches most corrupt politicians
2008-01-03 18:42 < ronismymom> EvanCarrol: You speak too soon
2008-01-03 18:42 < Mike_H> Scarian: Look at this clip, this is hilarious
2008-01-03 18:42 < Scarian> EvanCarroll: Who's against the evolution theory?
2008-01-03 18:42 < ronismymom> let the voters decide that
2008-01-03 18:42 < Mike_H> it's from Australian Millionaire
2008-01-03 18:42 < x42bn6> then I suggest you choose the one you distrust the least
2008-01-03 18:42 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MAR1AWqnE_Q
2008-01-03 18:42 < Aqwis> what was Paul's view on homosexuality again?
2008-01-03 18:42 < ronismymom> Scarian: practically everyone
2008-01-03 18:42 < ronismymom> Aqwis: its pointless
2008-01-03 18:43 < TheWeasel> Aqwis: Something like "ew!"
2008-01-03 18:43 < ronismymom> I don't know his personal views
2008-01-03 18:43 < Aqwis> i can imagine
2008-01-03 18:43 < ronismymom> but hes against the irs
2008-01-03 18:43 < Demi> Aqwis - gay marriage should be illegal
2008-01-03 18:43 < Scarian> Haha.
2008-01-03 18:43 < Demi> Aqwis - abortion rights supporters are nazis
2008-01-03 18:43 < ronismymom> and the only reason marriages are Civilly recognized is for tax exemptions
2008-01-03 18:43 < Aqwis> that is quite odd considering his other viewpoints
2008-01-03 18:43 < EvanCarroll> Scarian: Ron Paul is fool when it comes to the term "theory" and he doesn't beliveve in evolution.
2008-01-03 18:43 < Scarian> Demi: Are you a conservative?
2008-01-03 18:43 < Demi> ron paul doesn't really believe in reality
2008-01-03 18:43 < ronismymom> Ron Pauls stance is that marriage is a religious institution
2008-01-03 18:43 < Demi> Scarian - no, i wouldn't describe myself that way
2008-01-03 18:43 < Scarian> Demi: But referring to abortion supporters as "Nazis"?
2008-01-03 18:44 < TheWeasel> ronismymom: What a libertarian.
2008-01-03 18:44 < ronismymom> Ron Paul doesn't personally beleive that evolution can explain the creation of life
2008-01-03 18:44 < Scarian> Mike_H: They wave weirdly...
2008-01-03 18:44 < ronismymom> now wether or not evolution happens
2008-01-03 18:44 < Demi> Scarian - i hate neoconservatism very much, although there are sometimes "true" conservative ideas that appeal to me
2008-01-03 18:44 < Mike_H> Scarian: keep watching
2008-01-03 18:44 < ronismymom> idk
2008-01-03 18:44 < Mike_H> that's not the weird part
2008-01-03 18:44 < Demi> Scarian - I'm quoting Ron Paul
2008-01-03 18:44 < TheWeasel> To me, Ron Paul has been wrong at every turn, and where he was right he was right for the wrong reasons.
2008-01-03 18:44 < TheWeasel> *nearly
2008-01-03 18:44 < ronismymom> weasel fvote for someone else
2008-01-03 18:44 < Demi> Scarian - i answered Aqwis's question about gays and continued to elaborate Paul's position on other things
2008-01-03 18:45 < TheWeasel> I don't get to
2008-01-03 18:45 < ronismymom> Ron Paul is giving conservatives someone whos not a idiot to vote for
2008-01-03 18:45 < ronismymom> felon?
2008-01-03 18:45 < TheWeasel> Non-American
2008-01-03 18:45 < Oval> Hi guys.
2008-01-03 18:45 < Demi> ronismymom - Who? Anybody but Ron Paul?
2008-01-03 18:45 < Demi> By being the idiot, he makes the alternatives less idiotic?
2008-01-03 18:45 < ronismymom> Demi: Hardly.
2008-01-03 18:45 < TheWeasel> Heh
2008-01-03 18:45 < ronismymom> Demi: Hes not a idiot
2008-01-03 18:45 < Rinn> VOTE GEORGE JASON
2008-01-03 18:45 < mavhk> ron paul: he may be mad, but think of the competition
2008-01-03 18:45 < ronismymom> He is the least idiotic of all the republican candidates
2008-01-03 18:45 < Aqwis> the others are corrupt and dishonest - paul is honest but idiotic
2008-01-03 18:45 < Aqwis> make your choice
2008-01-03 18:45 < Demi> ronismymom - well, it sounds like you have your answer; I encourage you to make Ron Paul the republican candidate.
2008-01-03 18:46 < ronismymom> Who do you think is less of an idiot than ron paul
2008-01-03 18:46 < EvanCarroll> ronismymom: there are plenty of people, myself included who find the difference in idiocy to be indistinguishable.
2008-01-03 18:46 < ronismymom> fuckabee?
2008-01-03 18:46 < ronismymom> Ghoolianni
2008-01-03 18:46 < Oval> It seems you have all fallen victim to a troll. :)
2008-01-03 18:46 < ronismymom> Rompney?
2008-01-03 18:46 < MUNCHLAX> I think the proper term is "jewliani"
2008-01-03 18:46 < EvanCarroll> Oval: agreed. but who cares =/
2008-01-03 18:46 * TheWeasel supports Ronnie for GOP candidate. He will be a shoo-in to beat.
2008-01-03 18:46 < Scarian> Mike_H: Aw, that would've been awesome if they'd have got it both right the second time but the exact same time.
2008-01-03 18:46 < Rinn> VOTE HARRY MICHAEL
2008-01-03 18:46 < mavhk> I hear Giuliani's guest starring on Seseme Street next month
2008-01-03 18:46 < mavhk> teaching kids to count, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11
2008-01-03 18:47 < ronismymom> I think if Ron Paul went up against Hillary it would be impossible for her to win
2008-01-03 18:47 < Demi> mavhk - that's cute
2008-01-03 18:47 < Mike_H> Scarian: I found it funny that they could rattle off the year about Gough Whitlam but they didn't know about Captain Ahab
2008-01-03 18:47 < TheWeasel> ronismymom: Pass the blunt.
2008-01-03 18:47 < Oval> Is there a way for programmers to grab a "clean" version of the first paragraph (summary) of Wikipedia articles, or must we provide our own functionality by parsing HTML or Wiki syntax?
2008-01-03 18:47 < Demi> I actually think Hillary will have a hard time beating anyone *but* Ron Paul
2008-01-03 18:47 < Scarian> Mike_H: I knew none of those questions :-/
2008-01-03 18:47 * TheWeasel thought Duncan Hunter was sharp and that he didn't tap his potential
2008-01-03 18:47 < ronismymom> hardly Demi
2008-01-03 18:47 < TheWeasel> He could have been a dangerous guy
2008-01-03 18:47 < ronismymom> I think this election is gonna boil down to 2 issues
2008-01-03 18:47 < ronismymom> the war and its effect on the economy
2008-01-03 18:48 < ronismymom> There are only 2 anti war candidates in both parties
2008-01-03 18:48 < Scarian> ronismymom: Did you mean to start a giant conversation about politics? Or were you seriously asking who to vote for?
2008-01-03 18:48 < Rinn> VOTE ARNOLD BRUCE
2008-01-03 18:48 < Mike_H> Scarian: I didn't know the one about Gough Whitlam
2008-01-03 18:48 < ronismymom> Scarian: im a troll!
2008-01-03 18:48 < Mike_H> but that's because I'm not Australian
2008-01-03 18:48 < TheWeasel> ronismymom: Polls show Americans think the war is now going well and that they care about domestic issues most now
2008-01-03 18:48 < Scarian> ronismymom: I should've realised :)
2008-01-03 18:48 < TheWeasel> And Paul's isolationism is a gigantically bad idea
2008-01-03 18:48 < Demi> Scarian - he's trolling to get ron paul support, and doing it enormously less effectively than golbez, who i'd much rather be talking to about it.
2008-01-03 18:48 < ronismymom> TheWeasel Domestic issues are directly affected by the war
2008-01-03 18:48 < Oval> +m :-)
2008-01-03 18:48 < ronismymom> its not isolationism
2008-01-03 18:48 < ronismymom> thats bullshit and you know it
2008-01-03 18:48 < Scarian> Demi: I didn't realise...
2008-01-03 18:48 < TheWeasel> Arguably, but the war itself takes a backseat
2008-01-03 18:49 < Scarian> ronismymom: Language boy.
2008-01-03 18:49 < TheWeasel> I don't know a better word for it.
2008-01-03 18:49 < Rinn> VOTE CHRISTOPHER FREDERICK
2008-01-03 18:49 < ronismymom> Its non interventionism
2008-01-03 18:49 < Demi> ronismymom - actually, he's literally isolationist, in that he wants to erect medieval fortifications to keep mexicans out
2008-01-03 18:49 < TheWeasel> he wants "constitutional government" back, that's the pre-1917 Republican stance.
2008-01-03 18:49 < ronismymom> Not at all Demi: He is against fences
2008-01-03 18:49 < TheWeasel> in his reading
2008-01-03 18:49 < ronismymom> hes never even talked about fences
2008-01-03 18:49 < Rinn> VOTE BARRY JEFF
2008-01-03 18:49 < TheWeasel> ronismymom: Two very different things
2008-01-03 18:49 < ronismymom> hes actually the only republican who thinks the whole fencing thing is rediculous
2008-01-03 18:50 < Rinn> VOTE CLARK JOHN
2008-01-03 18:50 < mavhk> especially as most mexicans arrive on planes
2008-01-03 18:50 < MUNCHLAX> VOTE YOUR MOM
2008-01-03 18:50 < ronismymom> TheWeasel: And I like that
2008-01-03 18:50 < Demi> ronismymom - anti-immigration is one of his primary planks, as are anti-abortion and home schooling (?)
2008-01-03 18:50 < ronismymom> I want a constitutional goverment
2008-01-03 18:50 < TheWeasel> it's a very
2008-01-03 18:50 < ronismymom> I want 150+ years of federalist control gone
2008-01-03 18:50 < TheWeasel> private reading of it, shall we say
2008-01-03 18:50 < Demi> which shows not a tenuous grasp on what the executive even does
2008-01-03 18:50 < mavhk> ronismymom: why?
2008-01-03 18:50 < ronismymom> I want those thousands of mistakes done by past presidents fixed
2008-01-03 18:50 * Scarian feels ill with all the political talk...
2008-01-03 18:51 < Mike_H> I am so over this discussion. Call me back when Demi starts talking about Dinah Manoff's hair again.
2008-01-03 18:51 < ronismymom> I want states to have the right to serve their citizens again
2008-01-03 18:51 < TheWeasel> States rights worked fabulously well in the 1960s.
2008-01-03 18:51 < mavhk> so you want to be europe?
2008-01-03 18:51 < ronismymom> and not have to play master to some federal goverment who tells them they can't let their citizens do drugs
2008-01-03 18:51 < Scarian> Mike_H: Ha sure thing... you can help me clear out [[WP:AfC]] of you want?
2008-01-03 18:51 < ronismymom> or take certain medicines
2008-01-03 18:51 < Scarian> *if
2008-01-03 18:51 < Rinn> "Cornelius" is a cool name.
2008-01-03 18:51 < Rinn> I'd vote for anyone named Cornelius.
2008-01-03 18:51 < mavhk> ah, you're a goddamn hippy
2008-01-03 18:51 < ronismymom> or use the taxes they pay for private schooling
2008-01-03 18:51 < TheWeasel> ronismymom: Which of course they will still do.
2008-01-03 18:51 < Scarian> mavhk: Sorry, what?
2008-01-03 18:52 < mavhk> Scarian: he wants less government control so he can smoke pot all day
2008-01-03 18:52 < TheWeasel> "leaving it up to the states" is federalism's oldest excuse.
2008-01-03 18:52 < Scarian> mavhk: Oh right... Hippies = good. Pot = bad.
2008-01-03 18:52 < TheWeasel> mavhk: It can only improve his performance
2008-01-03 18:52 < Scarian> [Apparently]
2008-01-03 18:52 < TheWeasel> Scarian: Other way round, here
2008-01-03 18:52 < Rinn> Cornelius Ichabod.
2008-01-03 18:52 < mavhk> drugs are bad because hippies do drugs and hippies suck
2008-01-03 18:52 < Demi> well, paul is actually probably right about that, but i think that's much less important than being a wackadoodle and a joke of an executive
2008-01-03 18:52 < Rinn> I would most definitely vote for anyone named Cornelius Ichabod.
2008-01-03 18:52 < TheWeasel> Frank Zappa didn't do drugs.
2008-01-03 18:52 < Rinn> Heck, I would donate money to their campaign.
2008-01-03 18:53 < Scarian> mavhk: Hippies gave you Jimi Hendrix, mister. That's blasphemy.
2008-01-03 18:53 < Scarian> TheWeasel: Shame :(
2008-01-03 18:53 < Rinn> And probably give them a blowjob.
2008-01-03 18:53 < ronismymom> I want less goverment controll because thats exactly what our founding fathers intended for this nation
2008-01-03 18:53 < TheWeasel> Hendrix wasn't a hippie
2008-01-03 18:53 < TheWeasel> far from it
2008-01-03 18:53 < Scarian> :-O
2008-01-03 18:53 < Demi> Hippies were always sustained by someone else's hot dogs, it doesn't work.
2008-01-03 18:53 < Scarian> Did you not see his clothes?
2008-01-03 18:53 < mavhk> ronismymom: so you want to be like europe?
2008-01-03 18:53 < Scarian> And did you not listen to Purple Haze?
2008-01-03 18:53 < Rinn> I wish I was a guy so I could change my name to Cornelius Ichabod. :(
2008-01-03 18:53 < TheWeasel> he's not a hippie, all the love and peace stuff didn't apply to him
2008-01-03 18:53 < Scarian> Or Star Spangled Banner?
2008-01-03 18:53 < TheWeasel> drug taking alone doesn't qualify one
2008-01-03 18:53 < mavhk> Rinn: I'm sure you could anyway
2008-01-03 18:53 < Scarian> TheWeasel: Oh man... please read more about Hendrix...
2008-01-03 18:53 < ronismymom> I want the goverment to stop being being controlled by fascist and tyrannistic politics
2008-01-03 18:54 < TheWeasel> being in the opposition alone doesn't qualify one
2008-01-03 18:54 < Aqwis> ronismymom, why is tradition = good? why would states make better decisions
2008-01-03 18:54 < ronismymom> I want people to feel free to do what they want to do in the privacy of their own homes
2008-01-03 18:54 < ronismymom> I want freedom to reign
2008-01-03 18:54 < Demi> ronismymom wants to go back to when people had basic freedoms, like the freedom to own slaves
2008-01-03 18:54 < ronismymom> Because Aqwis states are smaller
2008-01-03 18:54 < ronismymom> you accept one global definition and apply it to all states
2008-01-03 18:54 < IceKarma> ronismymom, I'd personally like to see the phrase "separation of church and state" actually mean something
2008-01-03 18:54 < Rinn> So you're a nutjob, then!
2008-01-03 18:54 < Scarian> ronismymom: If you want those things why don't you go out and get them instead trolling a Wikipedia IRC channel?
2008-01-03 18:54 < Aqwis> get rid of the entire federal government ;)
2008-01-03 18:54 < mavhk> tradition is the excuse you give when you don't have a real reason
2008-01-03 18:54 < ronismymom> your discriminating against half the nation
2008-01-03 18:54 < ronismymom> when theres a 50/50 split in politics
2008-01-03 18:54 < TheWeasel> ronismymom: So you want 50 nations bound together by what?
2008-01-03 18:54 < TheWeasel> Something like the EU?
2008-01-03 18:54 < ronismymom> the one who wins will just manage the tyranny of them ajority
2008-01-03 18:55 < Demi> the founding fathers were unfortunately not perfect; in fact it's an invalid argument to suggest that something is a good idea because the founding fathers liked it
2008-01-03 18:55 < ronismymom> no of course not
2008-01-03 18:55 < ronismymom> the federal goverment exists for 3 reasons
2008-01-03 18:55 < Scarian> ronismymom: Why are you here if your ideas are so great and should be put into practice?
2008-01-03 18:55 < TheWeasel> Demi: Or Ronald Reagan
2008-01-03 18:55 < shimgray> Demi: I believe they were big on Deism, but you try getting that one across these days
2008-01-03 18:55 < Rinn> I'll do it anyway!
2008-01-03 18:55 < ronismymom> to protect our freedoms, our rights, and our properties
2008-01-03 18:55 < Cornelius_Ichabo> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2008-01-03 18:55 < Aqwis> and why can't states do that?
2008-01-03 18:55 < Aqwis> *the states
2008-01-03 18:55 * Cornelius_Ichabo weeps
2008-01-03 18:55 < mavhk> just remove the _
2008-01-03 18:55 < TheWeasel> ronismymom: Just what freedom that is we're about to find out
2008-01-03 18:56 < ronismymom> Aqwis: they should
2008-01-03 18:56 < Rinn> I can't remove the _. The _ is crucial.
2008-01-03 18:56 < TheWeasel> And are every day, really
2008-01-03 18:56 < Demi> shimgray - they weren't of one mind about that, and were never that interested in protecting the state from religious influence
2008-01-03 18:56 < ronismymom> but in this case unity in those things are important
2008-01-03 18:56 < shimgray> I say, you need to put the entire national effort into developing a way to clone the dead, resurrect Thomas Jefferson, and make him and his clones hereditary presidents for life
2008-01-03 18:56 < mavhk> each human is smaller than a state, why don't you just let each human decide their own laws?
2008-01-03 18:56 * TheWeasel finds the focus on property rather arbitrary
2008-01-03 18:56 < shimgray> it's a win-win situation
2008-01-03 18:56 < TheWeasel> and I'm far from a communist
2008-01-03 18:56 < ronismymom> Mavhk: If it were only that easy I would
2008-01-03 18:56 < mavhk> so why not vote for anarchy?
2008-01-03 18:56 < Demi> TheWeasel - libertarians never understand that the value of property comes from societal protections, legal conventions and protections and other forms of "intrusive" government
2008-01-03 18:57 < ronismymom> because there should still be the basic rights of the people
2008-01-03 18:57 < ronismymom> anarchy takes away all those basic rights
2008-01-03 18:57 < Demi> TheWeasel - and that there are no inherent property rights, since their property is transferred anyway
2008-01-03 18:57 < mavhk> the only reason you "own" land is because someone else will fight other people for it on your behalf
2008-01-03 18:57 < lc2> "if you outlaw government, only outlaws have governance"
2008-01-03 18:57 < mavhk> heh
2008-01-03 18:57 < Rinn> Cool!
2008-01-03 18:57 < lc2> government exists whenever one person has a gun and another person does not
2008-01-03 18:57 < Demi> mavhk - yes, that sort of ownership is entirely notional
2008-01-03 18:57 < ronismymom> and I never said the goverment shoudl be outlawed
2008-01-03 18:57 < ronismymom> I said it should be small
2008-01-03 18:57 < TheWeasel> Property is a very interesting anthropological concept
2008-01-03 18:58 < lc2> that wouldn't disappear under anarcho-capitalism
2008-01-03 18:58 < ronismymom> you group libertarians together with extremists
2008-01-03 18:58 < ronismymom> and Ill group socialists together with the same
2008-01-03 18:58 < mavhk> so what about a 2 person state?
2008-01-03 18:58 < lc2> you'd just have a different form of government that wouldn't be called a government
2008-01-03 18:58 < TheWeasel> I support it, mind you, but it tends to get overemphasized
2008-01-03 18:58 < mavhk> what's the smallest number of people you can have in your tiny states?
2008-01-03 18:58 < ronismymom> not at all
2008-01-03 18:58 < ronismymom> Mavhk: your arguements are pointless
2008-01-03 18:58 < ronismymom> you know what I mean
2008-01-03 18:59 * Scarian thinks political discussion is pointless.
2008-01-03 18:59 < mavhk> obviously you think 300 million is too high, and 1 too small
2008-01-03 18:59 < Demi> Scarian - not all of them, but some certainly are!
2008-01-03 18:59 < TheWeasel> Ron Paul, in search of a point
2008-01-03 18:59 < ronismymom> mavhk you have no understanding of what im proposing
2008-01-03 18:59 < Scarian> Demi: This political discussion is... in my opinion... worse than when two candidates go on TV... to talk about why they're so great...
2008-01-03 18:59 < ronismymom> so I reccomend you save your breath
2008-01-03 19:00 < mavhk> then you haven't explained it well enough, that's your fault
2008-01-03 19:00 * Demi thinks your three-cent titanium tax goes too far
2008-01-03 19:00 < TheWeasel> heh, the "you're too stupid to understand it" veiled ad-hominem
2008-01-03 19:00 * uberpenguin thinks your three-cent titanium tax doesn't go far enough
2008-01-03 19:00 < TheWeasel> classic
2008-01-03 19:00 < Rinn> Majority of political discussions in a nutshell:
2008-01-03 19:00 * TheWeasel thinks we should cut it to two cents for the middle class
2008-01-03 19:01 < Rinn> Party one: I am right. Party two: No, you aren't.
2008-01-03 19:01 < Scarian> Rinn: Agree'd.
2008-01-03 19:01 < mavhk> I blame Apple for the high price of titanium
2008-01-03 19:01 < TheWeasel> Rinn: Exchange of rocks.
2008-01-03 19:03 < Scarian> No, I think it's more like trying to persuade a wall that you're a better wall...
2008-01-03 19:03 < Scarian> Except walls can't talk...
2008-01-03 19:03 < mavhk> why not just have the smallest states possible, and each is allowed their own system of laws, but people are free to move between them at will, and the size/resources of the state are proportional to their population
2008-01-03 19:04 < TheWeasel> Scarian: Right, there's a lot of "ignore the good points, deliberately misinterpret and defeat the bad" there
2008-01-03 19:04 < Scarian> TheWeasel: You're referring to my own comment?
2008-01-03 19:04 < TheWeasel> mavhk: Because no state is an island
2008-01-03 19:04 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-03 19:04 < Scarian> I was just trying to be witty... I wasn't making any sort of political point.
2008-01-03 19:05 < mavhk> TheWeasel: doesn't that make it better?
2008-01-03 19:05 < Mike_H> in April, the Nepalese monarchy will be abolished
2008-01-03 19:05 < TheWeasel> no, because bad conditions in one plot severely affects the adjoining ones, and there's nothing they can do about it
2008-01-03 19:05 < TheWeasel> Overfederalization is a bad, bad thing
2008-01-03 19:06 < mavhk> so, pollution, for example?
2008-01-03 19:06 < TheWeasel> for example
2008-01-03 19:06 < TheWeasel> bad handling of desasters
2008-01-03 19:06 < Demi> The problem I have with Libertarianism isn't so much that it's wrong, but that it mistakes the principle of personal liberty, which I agree with, for a system of government, which it's not. Freedom means all kinds of things, and, like a children who holds his hand in his brother's face, screaming "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!", Libertarians take the most naive notion of freedom as meaning "whatever you want to do," and completely miss the valu
2008-01-03 19:07 < anon32> The problem I have with libertarianism is that it just doesn't work (TM)
2008-01-03 19:07 < mavhk> what kind of disasters?
2008-01-03 19:08 < anon32> because men aren't angels
2008-01-03 19:08 < mavhk> libertarianism: because where we're going, we don't need roads
2008-01-03 19:08 < TheWeasel> I think they are arbitrary in identifying what rights mean, and they have no real solutions on how to help weaker people defend them
2008-01-03 19:08 < TheWeasel> mavhk: Badly handled nuclear power plants etc.
2008-01-03 19:09 < Demi> TheWeasel - oh, people won't handle them badly because then nobody would insure them!
2008-01-03 19:10 < TheWeasel> The emphasis on property as the first and foremost "right" is incorrect insofar as it is regarded as god-given and exaggerated as it is recognized in a working society
2008-01-03 19:10 < mavhk> so a kind of pollution, so you'd need a federal government to force states to not devalue each other, and to compensate them if they do
2008-01-03 19:11 < TheWeasel> (the former being pretty well-supported by anthropology, the latter my opinion)
2008-01-03 19:11 < TheWeasel> mavhk: OMG FEDERAL FASCISM
2008-01-03 19:11 < mavhk> heh
2008-01-03 19:12 < Demi> Libertarians don't really recognize the problems of things like pollution, because there's no notion of common resources like that
2008-01-03 19:12 < Demi> someone owns the stream, they can allow or disallow effluent into it as they like, according to market forces
2008-01-03 19:12 < TheWeasel> Demi: That leads to brutalization, in my view
2008-01-03 19:13 < TheWeasel> because the only real choice for the others to stop you is malice
2008-01-03 19:13 < mavhk> so the government to arbitrate devaluation, from pollution, killing each other, etc, and to enforce the freedom to move between states, and to arbitrate the redistribution of resources and states change size
2008-01-03 19:13 < TheWeasel> Pretty much what happens now :-D
2008-01-03 19:14 < Demi> TheWeasel - well, libertarians don't want "no government", in that situation they want the night watchman to just verify that I'm not effluing into your stream without your permission
2008-01-03 19:14 < mavhk> you need laws/religion to enforce enlighted self interest/obvious results of game theory, that you should be nice to each other
2008-01-03 19:14 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Answer true or false quickly to this statement
2008-01-03 19:14 < Mike_H> in Cocoa Beach, Florida, there is a street called "I Dream of Jeannie Lane"
2008-01-03 19:14 < mavhk> true
2008-01-03 19:14 < TheWeasel> Demi: Precisely the point. Your right to use your property as you please is thereby taken from you
2008-01-03 19:14 < Mike_H> chop chop!
2008-01-03 19:15 < TheWeasel> Mike_H: True
2008-01-03 19:15 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Did you know it or did you guess?
2008-01-03 19:15 < TheWeasel> no, it sounded like you wanted to surprise me with its truth
2008-01-03 19:15 < Mike_H> bleh
2008-01-03 19:15 < Mike_H> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dreamofjeannieln.JPG
2008-01-03 19:15 < TheWeasel> A pretty good indicator is "it's too elaborate to be fake"
2008-01-03 19:16 < mavhk> now a street named after a soap, that'd be false
2008-01-03 19:16 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: You know what I Dream of Jeannie is, right?
2008-01-03 19:16 < TheWeasel> no I don't
2008-01-03 19:16 < mavhk> some kind of 50s porn?
2008-01-03 19:16 < Mike_H> It's a '60s sitcom about an astronaut who found a genie on a desert island and took her back with him
2008-01-03 19:16 < Mike_H> the show was set in Cocoa Beach, Florida
2008-01-03 19:16 < Mike_H> with the man working at Cape Canaveral (then Cape Kennedy)
2008-01-03 19:16 < TheWeasel> Cocoa Beach is a pretty stupid name coming to think of it
2008-01-03 19:17 < TheWeasel> Florida isn't even a big cocoa producer
2008-01-03 19:17 < TheWeasel> Kakaostrand
2008-01-03 19:17 < Mike_H> It's cocoa for the cocoa butter, not for the stuff you put in a drink
2008-01-03 19:17 < TheWeasel> Oh
2008-01-03 19:17 < TheWeasel> right
2008-01-03 19:17 < TheWeasel> Hmm...chocolate
2008-01-03 19:17 < Demi> TheWeasel - A lot of Florida was marketed to get people to move there
2008-01-03 19:17 < mavhk> like greenland?
2008-01-03 19:18 < shimgray> this is America, the rational place names got used up pretty fast and there were still plenty of places left
2008-01-03 19:18 < Mike_H> Demi: Well, with sayings like
2008-01-03 19:18 < Mike_H> "Florida: Now with air conditioning!"
2008-01-03 19:18 < Mike_H> how could you refuse?
2008-01-03 19:18 < mavhk> shimgray: and they stole half the names off the british
2008-01-03 19:18 < shimgray> which is why so many places got either a) a reused fourth-hand name; or b) a truly silly one picked out of the dictionary
2008-01-03 19:18 < mavhk> idiots, didn't they anticipate search engines?
2008-01-03 19:18 < TheWeasel> there's a sea there so the mosquitoes are less bad
2008-01-03 19:19 < shimgray> mavhk: thing is, if they were going to steal all those English placenames, how come they left the good ones? I don't see any "Little Wittering, Kansas"es around
2008-01-03 19:19 < TheWeasel> nobody stole Basingstoke
2008-01-03 19:19 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Some German names got stolen
2008-01-03 19:19 < Mike_H> and put in really weird spots
2008-01-03 19:19 < Mike_H> "Stuttgart, Arkansas," for one
2008-01-03 19:19 < Mike_H> Furonda from Top Model was from there
2008-01-03 19:19 < TheWeasel> haha yea
2008-01-03 19:20 < Mahlzahn> Bismark, ND
2008-01-03 19:20 < TheWeasel> Stuttgart itself is a pretty horrible city
2008-01-03 19:20 < TheWeasel> Bismarck
2008-01-03 19:20 < Mahlzahn> yess
2008-01-03 19:20 < shimgray> Mahlzahn: That one was a marketing move
2008-01-03 19:20 < shimgray> (they wanted to attract German immigrants)
2008-01-03 19:20 < Demi> Often the stealing comes second or thirdhand
2008-01-03 19:20 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Of course it isn't pronounced the German way here
2008-01-03 19:20 < Mahlzahn> for Bismarck?!
2008-01-03 19:20 < shimgray> Mike_H: I've seen what you people did to poor Cairo
2008-01-03 19:20 < TheWeasel> Mike_H: Pretty close for Bismarck
2008-01-03 19:20 < Mike_H> shimgray: Cairo and Vienna!
2008-01-03 19:20 < TheWeasel> Even a state capital to our name!
2008-01-03 19:20 < Mike_H> both cities in Georgia
2008-01-03 19:20 < Mike_H> Cay-ro
2008-01-03 19:20 < Mike_H> Vie-enna
2008-01-03 19:20 < TheWeasel> Frankfort, KY
2008-01-03 19:21 < Mahlzahn> strong franks, hah!
2008-01-03 19:21 < TheWeasel> a Frankish ford
2008-01-03 19:21 < TheWeasel> not to be confused with Frank N. Further
2008-01-03 19:21 < shimgray> Mahlzahn: indeed. 1873, so presumably it seemed a good idea at the time.
2008-01-03 19:21 < Demi> there should be a movement to get the Franks out of Europe
2008-01-03 19:22 < Mahlzahn> TheWeasel: thats what they call frankfurt in france. "Strong Franc" == Euro == EZB
2008-01-03 19:22 < Mahlzahn> its a pun
2008-01-03 19:22 < shimgray> Demi: I, for one, think the British should throw everyone else out of Britain. It'd be amusing, there's not many of them left.
2008-01-03 19:22 < TheWeasel> oh, elaborate folk etymology
2008-01-03 19:22 < shimgray> Saxons back to Saxony!
2008-01-03 19:22 < Mahlzahn> or that. :)
2008-01-03 19:22 < shimgray> Angles back to, fuck, whereever they came from
2008-01-03 19:22 < Demi> shimgray - Angles back to, uh, wherever!
2008-01-03 19:22 < TheWeasel> Denmark
2008-01-03 19:22 < Mike_H> Angle Land
2008-01-03 19:22 < Demi> hehe, yes
2008-01-03 19:23 < shimgray> Well, Anglia wouldn't work :-)
2008-01-03 19:23 < TheWeasel> Picts back to the picture book
2008-01-03 19:23 < Demi> shimgray - Scots back to Ireland!
2008-01-03 19:23 < Mahlzahn> or "Anglican"?
2008-01-03 19:23 < shimgray> Irish back to Scotland!
2008-01-03 19:23 < Mike_H> My mother pronounces England weird
2008-01-03 19:23 < Mike_H> "Ing-uh-lund"
2008-01-03 19:23 < TheWeasel> Like football supporters
2008-01-03 19:23 < Demi> Someone on a Dr Who commentary track--I think she might have been a New Zealander, pronounced "episode" "EEP-i-sode" which I thought was really just too much
2008-01-03 19:24 < shimgray> That's NZ, yeah
2008-01-03 19:24 < Demi> TheWeasel - as in "Ing-uh-lund Collapse"
2008-01-03 19:24 < Mike_H> New Zealanders can't speak English
2008-01-03 19:24 < Mike_H> it's just so painful
2008-01-03 19:24 < Mahlzahn> Demi: the 'i' being pronounced 'eye'?
2008-01-03 19:24 < Mike_H> it's more painful than Irish
2008-01-03 19:24 < Mike_H> or South Africans
2008-01-03 19:24 < shimgray> Seth Efrikens
2008-01-03 19:24 < shimgray> ITYM
2008-01-03 19:24 < TheWeasel> Fush ind chups?
2008-01-03 19:25 < Mike_H> I shudder to think of the day where Tyra announces to the Top Models, "we're all going to Wellington!"
2008-01-03 19:25 < Mike_H> We've already sent the Top Models to the countries where they can speak English well.
2008-01-03 19:25 < TheWeasel> As well as to Italy.
2008-01-03 19:26 < TheWeasel> Sorry for that :-)
2008-01-03 19:26 < Mahlzahn> heh
2008-01-03 19:26 < Mike_H> They've been to France, Italy, Japan, South Africa, the UK, Thailand, Spain, Australia and China
2008-01-03 19:26 < shimgray> The Italians can speak English pretty well, to be honest. Idiosyncratically, but...]
2008-01-03 19:26 < Mike_H> in nine cycles
2008-01-03 19:26 < TheWeasel> shimgray: I spoke to an English teacher from Sicily once (in English) and I could hardly follow her.
2008-01-03 19:27 < Demi> You know who can't speak a damn word of English? Pre-Stone-Age occupants of the Korean peninsula, lazy bastards.
2008-01-03 19:27 < Mike_H> Demi: Now that'd be a fierce fashion show
2008-01-03 19:27 < Mike_H> "PACK YOUR BAGS, GIRLS! WE'RE GOING TO PYONGYANG!"
2008-01-03 19:27 < shimgray> Demi: I say we send them all back to neolithic East Africa, where they came from. It's the only language they understand.
2008-01-03 19:27 < shimgray> Harsh but fair.
2008-01-03 19:27 < Demi> shimgray - isn't that the truth?!
2008-01-03 19:28 < Mahlzahn> boy, you guys are on a roll today.
2008-01-03 19:28 < TheWeasel> Mike_H: Who can hold up the cards that together show the Dear Leader's countenance in the most revolutionary spirit?
2008-01-03 19:28 < shimgray> TheWeasel: and now, it's time for self-criticism!
2008-01-03 19:29 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: "Shal'quindramaleisha, you are just not rocking that Kim Jong-Il hairdo we gave you at makeovers. Do you really want the title?"
2008-01-03 19:29 < TheWeasel> Even getting in will result in the breaking of *several* nails
2008-01-03 19:29 < shimgray> tell me why you were beaten in the last round, paying proper attention to failures of revolutionary principle!
2008-01-03 19:29 < TheWeasel> heh
2008-01-03 19:29 < TheWeasel> Mike_H: Regardless of what I said before, I think people needn't run around with KJI glasses either
2008-01-03 19:30 < Mike_H> to get the girls to lose weight, they can have a manual labor challenge
2008-01-03 19:30 < Mike_H> fierce!
2008-01-03 19:30 < Demi> I suspect Kim Jong Il would love it actually
2008-01-03 19:30 < TheWeasel> yep
2008-01-03 19:30 < Mahlzahn> no good. all the other manual laborers would be distracted.
2008-01-03 19:31 < TheWeasel> Mahlzahn: Not if they sport North Korean clothes.
2008-01-03 19:31 < Mahlzahn> good point. "No swimsuits please"
2008-01-03 19:31 < shimgray> or, as we in the decadent capitalist west call them, "potato sacks"
2008-01-03 19:31 < TheWeasel> those people are wrapped in there
2008-01-03 19:31 < Mike_H> Hey, on Top Model they've had to wear potato sacks before
2008-01-03 19:31 < Mike_H> for a challenge
2008-01-03 19:31 < Mike_H> and they had to "make them look fierce"
2008-01-03 19:32 < Mahlzahn> Mike_H: what else do you watch?
2008-01-03 19:32 < shimgray> I am trying to figure out how you apply Juche to modelling.
2008-01-03 19:32 < Rinn> How do you make potato sacks look fierce?
2008-01-03 19:32 < TheWeasel> It appears to me that the word "fierce" gets overused a bit
2008-01-03 19:32 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Blame Tyra
2008-01-03 19:32 < Rinn> Do you draw angry smileys on them?
2008-01-03 19:32 < TheWeasel> shimgray: Nude modelling maybe?
2008-01-03 19:32 * TheWeasel does so
2008-01-03 19:32 < Rinn> You do nude modelling?
2008-01-03 19:33 < FastLizard4> :-S
2008-01-03 19:33 < Rinn> Do you have a portfolio? :D
2008-01-03 19:33 < Mahlzahn> Rinn: I did in college. Not a big deal.
2008-01-03 19:33 < TheWeasel> Rinn: Two different statements
2008-01-03 19:34 < TheWeasel> People find it offensive when I take my clothes off, so I guess not.
2008-01-03 19:34 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-03 19:34 < Mahlzahn> well, bad examples need models too.
2008-01-03 19:34 < TheWeasel> hehe
2008-01-03 19:34 * Mahlzahn looks in the mirror and finds no Adonis
2008-01-03 19:35 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-01-03 19:35 < TheWeasel> that wasn't a call for encouragement
2008-01-03 19:35 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 19:35 < TheWeasel> Sorry
2008-01-03 19:35 < TheWeasel> lalala
2008-01-03 19:38 < TheWeasel> Woomp.
2008-01-03 19:38 < Mahlzahn> Reminds of those ads on TV for some remedy or the other. Always ugly as sin in the "before" picture. That takes real training.
2008-01-03 19:38 < Mahlzahn> with photoshop
2008-01-03 19:39 < TheWeasel> and then very small sized, underneath it "result was achieved with proper nutrition ..." three lines long
2008-01-03 19:40 < TheWeasel> nobody reads those
2008-01-03 19:40 < Mahlzahn> especially for hair loss cures.
2008-01-03 19:41 < TheWeasel> and vibration-based stomach toners
2008-01-03 19:42 < Demi> My favorite standby for TV marketing is when they have something like a kitchen or garden device. They start by showing how difficult the traditional alternative is to use. For example, if they are selling a pot with holes in the lid (for straining pasta) they will show (in that desaturated Behind the Music, "everything's going wrong" cinematography) a terribly ugly lump of pasta being dumped mostly in the sink, partly landing in the rattiest, oldest possibl
2008-01-03 19:43 < Mahlzahn> never seen one of those. Must be for the appropriate age group, i.e. MTV, which I don't get (DVB)
2008-01-03 19:43 < TheWeasel> Mahlzahn: Ever seen Horst Fuchs?
2008-01-03 19:43 < Rinn> I love those ads.
2008-01-03 19:43 < Rinn> The "everything's going wrong" bits are hilarious.
2008-01-03 19:43 < TheWeasel> the Austrian telemarketing guy with the weird earrings
2008-01-03 19:44 < Mahlzahn> TheWeasel: no. All the ads I've seen were dubbed
2008-01-03 19:44 < Mahlzahn> and terribly at that.
2008-01-03 19:44 < Mahlzahn> otoh, an austrian would need dubbing too.
2008-01-03 19:44 < TheWeasel> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Fuchs
2008-01-03 19:44 < TheWeasel> he's a German with an Austrian accent
2008-01-03 19:45 < TheWeasel> and an odd thing hanging from one of his ears
2008-01-03 19:45 < TheWeasel> Markenzeichen von Horst Fuchs sind sein Ohrring und seine vielen Siegelringe, eine Brille mit getönten Gläsern, sein extravaganter Kleidungsstil, seine Halbglatze und seine Art, leicht überbetont zu sprechen.
2008-01-03 19:45 < TheWeasel> He's a dandy minus the money
2008-01-03 19:45 < TheWeasel> almost grand
2008-01-03 19:46 < Mahlzahn> has germany only had tv shopping since 1995?
2008-01-03 19:46 < Rinn> A grandy?
2008-01-03 19:47 < Mahlzahn> TheWeasel: what was the name of the dandy (who got murdered) with a dog named "Daisy"?
2008-01-03 19:47 < TheWeasel> "Trademarks of Horst Fuchs are his earring, his many sealed rings, his aviator glasses, his extroverted dressing style, his half-bald head and his slight affected manner of speaking
2008-01-03 19:48 < TheWeasel> uh... Munich fashion designer
2008-01-03 19:48 < TheWeasel> Mooshammer
2008-01-03 19:48 < Mahlzahn> right.
2008-01-03 19:48 < TheWeasel> Rudolph Mooshammer
2008-01-03 19:49 < rasta^> hey mon
2008-01-03 19:49 < Mahlzahn> now that was one wierd character. I didn't know he was a fashion designer though. I thought he had a coffee shop or something.
2008-01-03 19:49 < TheWeasel> no, he ran a boutique in Munich
2008-01-03 19:49 < TheWeasel> true, he was pretty bizarre
2008-01-03 19:50 < TheWeasel> but he did a lot of good stuff for poor folks
2008-01-03 19:50 < TheWeasel> o.o caucuses on C-SPAN
2008-01-03 19:50 < Mahlzahn> say, how come - with all your leftist leanings and all - you use t-online?
2008-01-03 19:50 < Mahlzahn> and have cable?!
2008-01-03 19:51 < Lubaf> Could we please have a law that states that it's not murder if the person being killed had a tree that knocked over a power line?
2008-01-03 19:51 < TheWeasel> I'm not far left on economy really
2008-01-03 19:51 < TheWeasel> plus, it's my parents' connection
2008-01-03 19:51 < TheWeasel> right now
2008-01-03 19:51 < TheWeasel> and their service is reasonably stable
2008-01-03 19:52 < Mahlzahn> ah, I almost figured you had niftyly hijacked a d-slam or something.
2008-01-03 19:52 < Mahlzahn> or had a neighbor with no encryption on their wlan.
2008-01-03 19:52 < Demi> it's true that your ISP defines your political stances
2008-01-03 19:52 * TheWeasel knows next to nothing about those things
2008-01-03 19:53 < Demi> As a user of our municipal fiber network, with the local public radio station as my ISP, I'm like a communist.
2008-01-03 19:53 < Mahlzahn> Demi: and intelligence
2008-01-03 19:53 < TheWeasel> Mahlzahn: Energy level, rather, I'd say.
2008-01-03 19:54 < Mahlzahn> well, somewhat true, except for aol customers.
2008-01-03 19:54 < shimgray> Lubaf: ah, justifiable homicide?
2008-01-03 19:54 < Lubaf> shimgray: Yup.
2008-01-03 19:54 < Mahlzahn> Demi: how does that work? A radio station as an ISP I mean?
2008-01-03 19:54 < shimgray> Demi: I sublet my internet connection to a guy across the road, and charge him for a share of it. I daren't imagine what *that* says!
2008-01-03 19:55 < Mahlzahn> shimgray: that you're incautious.
2008-01-03 19:55 < Demi> Mahlzahn - It's just the same non-profit doing both
2008-01-03 19:55 < shimgray> Mahlzahn: howso?
2008-01-03 19:55 < TheWeasel> Yea, you're liable for stuff someone else does with your wireless
2008-01-03 19:55 < Mahlzahn> its your IP address that gets subpoena'd
2008-01-03 19:56 < shimgray> I live in a house of multiple occupancy. There are four of us living here; I have no control over what the three others do with the connection. this is conceptually no worse than that, save that he lives over the road not upstairs.
2008-01-03 19:56 < shimgray> so it doesn't worry me much :-)
2008-01-03 19:56 < shimgray> besides, he's *Swedish*. when did you ever know a Swedish criminal?
2008-01-03 19:56 < TheWeasel> heh, the others in your house should just as well, rest follows from induction
2008-01-03 19:57 < Rinn> Depends on your perspective, Shim.
2008-01-03 19:57 < Mahlzahn> Quisling?
2008-01-03 19:57 < TheWeasel> shimgray: The guy who killed that Minister
2008-01-03 19:57 < Leslie_S> so i have a job interview with the asset protection department at work tomorrow
2008-01-03 19:57 < Leslie_S> :D
2008-01-03 19:57 < TheWeasel> Mahlzahn: Norway
2008-01-03 19:57 < Mahlzahn> oh, dang.
2008-01-03 19:57 < Mahlzahn> yes
2008-01-03 19:57 < Demi> also, King Olaf the somethingth apparently was a compulsive farter
2008-01-03 19:57 < Mahlzahn> thats a good reason.
2008-01-03 19:58 < Demi> Olaf V of Norway
2008-01-03 19:58 < TheWeasel> Fine for that is three [[farthing]]s.
2008-01-03 19:58 < MessedRocker> how do you figure
2008-01-03 19:58 < shimgray> Which, on current exchange rate, is about seven dollars
2008-01-03 19:58 < MessedRocker> that he was a severe farted
2008-01-03 19:58 < party2> farts?
2008-01-03 19:59 < MessedRocker> farter*
2008-01-03 19:59 < TheWeasel> I'm your farter, Luke.
2008-01-03 20:00 * TheWeasel remembers that line from You Don't Know Jack ... "Die drückt schwer, herrjeh, die Gitta"
2008-01-03 20:00 * party2 borks TheWeasel
2008-01-03 20:00 < Mahlzahn> ok, too much hot air. Can be return to regularly scheduled programming now? ;)
2008-01-03 20:00 < TheWeasel> "Ich bin dein Vater. Und jetzt nimm bitte diese Gitta von mir runter!"
2008-01-03 20:00 < party2> Mahlzahn, yep
2008-01-03 20:00 * party2 burps
2008-01-03 20:00 < shimgray> NEIN
2008-01-03 20:00 < Demi> i have that from Michael Palin's diary, in which he repeats April Olrich's report from one her neighbors, who knew King Olaf, that he "...is a apparently a compulsive farter. This is well known and hosts are now prepared for it and cover up for him in all kinds of ingenious ways."
2008-01-03 20:01 < Mahlzahn> TheWeasel: wer ist denn die Gitta?
2008-01-03 20:01 < shimgray> Demi: like Gaddafi?
2008-01-03 20:01 < TheWeasel> jemand Erfundenes, man wollte bloß einen Namen, der sich auf Ritter reimt
2008-01-03 20:01 < Mahlzahn> Demi: pray, tell. Which ingenous ways?
2008-01-03 20:01 < Demi> shimgray - I don't know, did Michael Palin meet him?
2008-01-03 20:01 < Demi> Mahlzahn - i don't know, that's all i have
2008-01-03 20:01 < Mahlzahn> pout
2008-01-03 20:02 < shimgray> I'm trying to remember who did. John Simpson? Someone came back and reported they'd interviewed him and spent most of the time trying not to react to the breaking of wind
2008-01-03 20:02 < shimgray> this makes watching the video really quite amusing, once you've been told this
2008-01-03 20:03 < Demi> i'm up to the second half of 1977 in palin's 1969-1979 diary, which i received for christmas