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2008-01-03 16:53 < zocky> IceKarma, something like 5-10 years ago, I'd say
2008-01-03 16:53 < Demi> quanticle - there are a lot more diesel engines on the road, especially in vital capacities, than engines that can burn pure ethanol. Some alcohol fraction thing is a very silly incremental compromise, not anything that looks like a solution.
2008-01-03 16:54 < zocky> of course, petrol prices vary a lot across europe
2008-01-03 16:54 < The359> lowend acceleration is mostly all you need for getting around an urban area
2008-01-03 16:54 < Demi> zocky - what if turkey is in the EU?
2008-01-03 16:54 < The359> so that's why the Europeans buy them so much
2008-01-03 16:54 < zocky> Demi, we're not afraid of turkeys
2008-01-03 16:55 < quanticle> Demi: That's true, but try telling the driving population that they'll have to scrap their cars because we're all going to biodiesle overnight
2008-01-03 16:56 < quanticle> s/biodiesle/biodiesel
2008-01-03 16:56 < The359> diesels also tend to appear in lower end cars, so they're more common due to more people buying the lower end model
2008-01-03 16:56 < IceKarma> not that gradual introduction ever works, but who says a big bang is necessary?
2008-01-03 16:56 < Demi> quanticle - for higher alcohol mixtures than like 10% people need to buy special cars or modify their cars anyway
2008-01-03 16:56 < quanticle> The359: Really? Diesels are at a premium here...
2008-01-03 16:56 < Demi> what i see a lack of, and don't quite understand, are diesel hybrids
2008-01-03 16:56 < IceKarma> quanticle, utterly different market
2008-01-03 16:57 < quanticle> The359: Only "luxury" sedans have diesel versions in the US :(
2008-01-03 16:57 < The359> The only luxury sedan I can think of with a diesel is the Mercedes-Benz E-Class Bluetec
2008-01-03 16:57 < Demi> The359 - my understanding is that emissions controls tend to favor diesels there, vs. how we do controls (Europe allows more particulates, is tighter on fuel economy)
2008-01-03 16:57 < quanticle> Demi: Diesels get the same fuel economy as gasoline hybrids, so there's really no pressure to go beyond that
2008-01-03 16:58 < The359> nowadays, yes Demi
2008-01-03 16:58 < IceKarma> how's Europe doing with reducing the sulfur content of diesel?
2008-01-03 16:58 * Cyrius chuckles at the title of [[Crosby, Stills & Nash (and Young)]]
2008-01-03 16:59 < The359> the news today is that BMW is launching a series of diesels in the US at the Detroit Auto Show
2008-01-03 16:59 < quanticle> Cyrius: Isn't it Crosby Stills Nash and Young?
2008-01-03 16:59 < Demi> quanticle - diesels have some minor advantages, and it seems like their disadvantages are obviated in a hybrid configuration
2008-01-03 16:59 < Demi> people in the u.s. don't like the way diesel cars perform
2008-01-03 16:59 < Cyrius> quanticle: it was first Crosby, Stills & Nash
2008-01-03 16:59 < Demi> they always associate them with the old people in a diesel mercedes they get stuck behind
2008-01-03 16:59 < Cyrius> the article title merges the two band names =)
2008-01-03 16:59 < The359> there are less diesel fuel pumps as well
2008-01-03 17:00 < The359> I'd be more likely to think of a VW Diesel than a Mercedes, Demi
2008-01-03 17:00 < Cyrius> Demi: USians associate diesels with Detroit's crappy-ass early '80s diesels
2008-01-03 17:01 < quanticle> Demi: USians also associate diesels with noisy and smelly semitrailer trucks
2008-01-03 17:01 < The359> Chrysler is currently the only American company to offer a diesel in anything but a pickup or superduty SUV
2008-01-03 17:01 < Cyrius> those too
2008-01-03 17:02 < quanticle> The359: And that's only because they were fused to Daimler for the past few years
2008-01-03 17:02 < The359> yes, but they still thought of offering it
2008-01-03 17:02 < quanticle> The359: They were able to grab a diesel engine "off the shelf" as it were
2008-01-03 17:02 < The359> thinking people will buy it
2008-01-03 17:02 < The359> it's in the Jeep Liberty
2008-01-03 17:03 < quanticle> The359: That almost doesn't count because that's another SUV
2008-01-03 17:03 < The359> its a small SUV
2008-01-03 17:03 < The359> also, I think Audi is helping to curb American thought that diesels are noisey and smelly
2008-01-03 17:03 < The359> noisy
2008-01-03 17:03 < quanticle> The359: Made for rock climbing - and therefore people will consider buying it with diesel because of diesel's greater low-end torque
2008-01-03 17:04 < The359> [[Audi R10]]
2008-01-03 17:04 < The359> the Liberty is not that great of an offroader, quanticle
2008-01-03 17:04 < The359> its not Cherokee or Wrangler
2008-01-03 17:04 < The359> not a
2008-01-03 17:04 < Demi> The Liberty sucks donkey balls
2008-01-03 17:04 < The359> it's bought by people for onroad use
2008-01-03 17:04 < quanticle> The359: I thought they stopped making the Wrangler and replaced it with the Liberty
2008-01-03 17:04 < The359> Cherokee was replaced by Liberty
2008-01-03 17:04 < Demi> yes, those donkey balls won't suck themselves
2008-01-03 17:05 < The359> but they're not the same type of vehicle
2008-01-03 17:05 < The359> just the similar size
2008-01-03 17:05 < Demi> do they still have the Grand Cherokee?
2008-01-03 17:05 < The359> yes
2008-01-03 17:05 < Demi> i'm unlikely to ever buy a jeep after driving the liberty for a while
2008-01-03 17:06 < The359> the new Liberties look better, they're more fitting in the Jeep lineage
2008-01-03 17:07 < The359> anyway, [[Audi R10]] and [[Peugeot 908]], perfect examples of how far diesels have come
2008-01-03 17:07 < Demi> i want a van conversion
2008-01-03 17:08 * quanticle wonders why Peugeots are not sold in the US
2008-01-03 17:08 < The359> no one bought them the last time they sold them here
2008-01-03 17:08 < Demi> and i want to be diesel, and have some kind of snuffleupagus attachment so i can suck the grease out of fast food grease traps
2008-01-03 17:08 < Demi> do they sell any french cars here anymore?
2008-01-03 17:08 < quanticle> Demi: You can't directly use fast food grease. You have to refine it first
2008-01-03 17:09 < The359> no
2008-01-03 17:09 < Demi> quanticle - no, you just have to filter it and heat it
2008-01-03 17:09 < quanticle> Demi: I don't think so
2008-01-03 17:09 < The359> we don't get any Italian or French cars, except exotics
2008-01-03 17:09 < quanticle> The359: There are "exotic" french cars?
2008-01-03 17:09 < The359> a few
2008-01-03 17:09 < quanticle> The359: Such as?
2008-01-03 17:09 < Demi> i drove a renault once, it seemed fine
2008-01-03 17:09 < The359> Venturi, Bugatti technically started out French but then became Italian and is now German
2008-01-03 17:10 < The359> the old Matra sportscars
2008-01-03 17:10 < The359> Alpines
2008-01-03 17:11 < TheWeasel> “It’s kind of like, you know, you can’t wait,” Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, told a rally in Bettendorf.
2008-01-03 17:11 < TheWeasel> Like, totally.
2008-01-03 17:12 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Well, its difficult to see how English could get more screwed up, seeing as how its an ungodly hybrid language to begin with
2008-01-03 17:12 < TheWeasel> It's an unfortunate literal quote
2008-01-03 17:13 < Demi> Newspapers only do that when they want to make you sound stupid
2008-01-03 17:13 < Demi> Everyone sounds like that
2008-01-03 17:13 < TheWeasel> yep
2008-01-03 17:13 < Demi> Bye!
2008-01-03 17:13 < Aqwis2> except the opposition politicians ;)
2008-01-03 17:14 < TheWeasel> he didn't use "to be like" for "to say", after all
2008-01-03 17:14 < Demi> TheWeasel - I was all, "The Lord says butt pirates shouldn't get married"
2008-01-03 17:15 < quanticle> Demi: And he was all, "Nuh uhh!"
2008-01-03 17:15 < quanticle> And I was like, "No way!"
2008-01-03 17:15 < quanticle> Ok, I'll stop now..
2008-01-03 17:15 < TheWeasel> "so I was like omg I'm like totally against teh surge"
2008-01-03 17:15 < Demi> quanticle - Whatever
2008-01-03 17:16 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-01-03 17:16 < Mike_H> MsMarti_AFK: hello!
2008-01-03 17:17 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=J4ZD3VuQZG4
2008-01-03 17:17 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: soap opera drama lulz
2008-01-03 17:17 < MsMarti> Heya darlin'
2008-01-03 17:17 < TheWeasel> :-/ later
2008-01-03 17:17 < Mike_H> I loved Iris on Another World
2008-01-03 17:17 < Mike_H> she was supposed to be American
2008-01-03 17:17 < Mike_H> but she definitely didn't sound like one
2008-01-03 17:19 < MsMarti> Haven't watched soaps in ages
2008-01-03 17:19 < Mike_H> MsMarti: YouTube is great for the old stuff
2008-01-03 17:19 < MsMarti> got addicted to Law and Order, CSIs, LA Law and my job
2008-01-03 17:20 < MsMarti> Lost the feeling for them when Marlena got possessed by the Devil
2008-01-03 17:21 < Mike_H> MsMarti: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=KVE-zv010Mo
2008-01-03 17:21 < Mike_H> My favorite character ever!
2008-01-03 17:21 < Mike_H> Kristen <3
2008-01-03 17:22 < Demi> I'm trying to spend less on television
2008-01-03 17:25 * TheWeasel barely watches TV at all
2008-01-03 17:26 < TheWeasel> Today I watched a movie about Sir Ernest Shackleton
2008-01-03 17:26 < TheWeasel> thats more than in the whole rest of the week combined
2008-01-03 17:27 < Demi> TheWeasel - which one?
2008-01-03 17:27 < TheWeasel> one with Kenneth Branagh I think
2008-01-03 17:28 < TheWeasel> I don't know
2008-01-03 17:28 < TheWeasel> I didn't finish it
2008-01-03 17:28 < Demi> oh okay
2008-01-03 17:28 < Demi> the documentary [[The Endurance: Shackleton's Legendary Antarctic Expedition]] was very good, if I remember it correctly
2008-01-03 17:28 < Demi> I'm a sucker for sea and survival stories
2008-01-03 17:28 < TheWeasel> Yea, should be it
2008-01-03 17:29 < TheWeasel> I think the exploration of Antarctica possibly the most spectacular feat man has ever achieved
2008-01-03 17:29 < TheWeasel> *is
2008-01-03 17:29 < Demi> too bad it's just a bunch of penguins and crap
2008-01-03 17:29 < TheWeasel> it's awesome
2008-01-03 17:30 < Demi> TheWeasel - the Kenneth Branagh movie was a fictionalization IIRC
2008-01-03 17:30 < TheWeasel> I vaguely remember an interview with a mountaineer... "Why did you climb Mount X?" "Because it was there."
2008-01-03 17:30 < Demi> the one I'm referring to is a documentary using some original film
2008-01-03 17:30 < Demi> TheWeasel - Wasn't that Edmund Hilary?
2008-01-03 17:30 < TheWeasel> no, this was a fictional one
2008-01-03 17:30 < TheWeasel> Could be
2008-01-03 17:31 < Demi> You know what's a nifty little Branagh movie, is A Midwinter's Tale
2008-01-03 17:32 < TheWeasel> most of his Shakespeare movies are good, Hamlet is one of my favorite movies, mostly because of Kate Winslet :-D
2008-01-03 17:32 < Demi> Well, this is a movie about a group of people putting on Hamlet, a nice little comedy
2008-01-03 17:32 < TheWeasel> ah, yea, the meta-thing
2008-01-03 17:32 < Demi> And Julia Sawalha is at her most wonderful--I have a terrible soft spot for her
2008-01-03 17:33 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-03 17:33 < Demi> And I like Kate Winslet very much, too
2008-01-03 17:33 < MsMarti> What has Julia Sawalha been in?
2008-01-03 17:33 < Doc_glasgow> Demi: I remember her in Press Gang, she was just like a bossy (and sexy) elder sister
2008-01-03 17:34 < Demi> MsMarti - she was Saffron in Absolutely Fabulous, and replaced Carolyn what's-her-face in Jonathan Creek (though there I thought they made her look very frumpy and unattractive)
2008-01-03 17:34 < Mike_H> Julia Sawalha is really unattractive to begin with.
2008-01-03 17:34 < Demi> I'm in the u.s. so i probably haven't seen a lot of what she's made, but i like her very much.
2008-01-03 17:35 < Demi> Mike_H - you eat those words.
2008-01-03 17:35 < MsMarti> Haven't seen the JC's with her.
2008-01-03 17:35 < Mike_H> I watch soaps. You know she wouldn't be allowed within 500 feet of the Days of our Lives lot.
2008-01-03 17:35 < MsMarti> But liked the first ones I've seen.
2008-01-03 17:35 < Demi> Mike_H - you've made fun of my taste in women before
2008-01-03 17:35 < Mike_H> Demi: Yeah, which one did you say you liked?
2008-01-03 17:35 < Mike_H> I thought it was weird
2008-01-03 17:35 < Mike_H> Debbie Gibson?
2008-01-03 17:36 < MsMarti> excuse me.. its Deborah now isn't it?
2008-01-03 17:36 < Mike_H> or was it Tracey Gold?
2008-01-03 17:36 < Demi> Mike_H - Dinah Manoff
2008-01-03 17:36 < Mike_H> Dinah Manoff, yeah
2008-01-03 17:36 < TheWeasel> With all due respect, I'd rather go to Mike if I wanted to know which guy is hot.
2008-01-03 17:36 * MsMarti snickers
2008-01-03 17:37 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Oh, please, it's not as if gay men become blind to women
2008-01-03 17:37 < Mike_H> you can still tell which ones are pretty and which ones are tore up
2008-01-03 17:37 < TheWeasel> I know that, but a certain segment of that community over-emphasizes glamour
2008-01-03 17:37 < Demi> My wife tells me which men are hot and so forth
2008-01-03 17:37 < MsMarti> and who has their own Fag and who doesn't right?
2008-01-03 17:37 < TheWeasel> to the detriment of other aspects
2008-01-03 17:37 < reisio> hrmmm, does it make sense for an admin to participate in an edit war (content dispute) and immediately protect a page? (excluding obvious vandalism/nonsense/etc.)
2008-01-03 17:37 < Mike_H> Demi: It could have been worse
2008-01-03 17:37 < Mike_H> you could have picked Kristy McNichol over Dinah Manoff
2008-01-03 17:38 < Mike_H> and I love Kristy, she kills it with acting
2008-01-03 17:38 < Demi> Mike_H - that would be more conventional, wouldn't it?
2008-01-03 17:38 < Mike_H> but, she's fug.
2008-01-03 17:38 < Demi> no one TV is really that ugly
2008-01-03 17:38 < Demi> er "no one on"
2008-01-03 17:38 < Demi> outside of reality shows, that is
2008-01-03 17:38 < Mike_H> Demi: Kristy McNichol...eh, she has an okay face
2008-01-03 17:38 < Mike_H> but her hair makes her fug
2008-01-03 17:39 < Mike_H> she has never been blessed with good hurr.
2008-01-03 17:39 < Phoenix-busy> any admins plaaing on leaving?
2008-01-03 17:39 < Demi> reisio - that's kind of a loaded question, without context, but in general no, you're not supposed to protect pages when you're engaged in a content dispute
2008-01-03 17:40 < Mike_H> Demi: Exhibit A, from her Empty Nest days
2008-01-03 17:40 < Mike_H> http://www.coolestmag.com/celeb/Kristy_McNichol/gallery/Kristy_McNichol8.jpg
2008-01-03 17:40 < reisio> Demi: would you like to see the context?
2008-01-03 17:40 < Mike_H> and what's up with the hot pink hot pants?
2008-01-03 17:40 < Demi> Mike_H - i dunno
2008-01-03 17:40 < Demi> Mike_H - i tried to explain someone about Erin Gray, sometimes you just can't explain these things
2008-01-03 17:40 < TheWeasel> too much 80s for me today
2008-01-03 17:41 < Mike_H> Demi: Oh, wow, you're all up in the shitty '80s sitcoms
2008-01-03 17:41 < Mike_H> we shifted from Empty Nest to Silver Spoons
2008-01-03 17:41 < Mike_H> nice.
2008-01-03 17:41 < Demi> Mike_H - Well, for me Erin Gray is from Buck Rogers
2008-01-03 17:42 < Mike_H> Demi: I could get behind Erin Gray. She wasn't an '80s victim as much as Kristy.
2008-01-03 17:42 < Cyrius> I think I missed whatever the hell is being talked about
2008-01-03 17:42 < Demi> Cyrius - old people stuff
2008-01-03 17:43 < Mike_H> Who would be the worst '80s TV victims?
2008-01-03 17:43 < Cyrius> not what I meant
2008-01-03 17:43 < Mike_H> I say pretty much anyone who was on The Facts of Life.
2008-01-03 17:43 < Demi> pretty soon we'll move on to how awesome flappers were
2008-01-03 17:43 < Demi> Mike_H - Yeah
2008-01-03 17:43 < Mike_H> I mean, Nancy McKeon got some fucking perm mullet thing
2008-01-03 17:43 < Mike_H> that was just atrocious
2008-01-03 17:43 < Demi> Mike_H - You know Mindy Cohn is doing the voice of Velma in Scooby-Doo these days
2008-01-03 17:44 < Mike_H> Demi: She's actually lost weight, you know that?
2008-01-03 17:44 < Demi> Mike_H - Velma?
2008-01-03 17:44 < Mike_H> I mean, she's not thin, but she's not a heifer
2008-01-03 17:44 < Mike_H> no, Mindy
2008-01-03 17:44 < Demi> IIRC Kathy Najimy lost a huge amount of weight
2008-01-03 17:45 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rrs8-oqCDM
2008-01-03 17:45 < Mike_H> There's that ugly Aqua Net mullet I remember!
2008-01-03 17:45 < Mike_H> Oh, Jo!
2008-01-03 17:45 < Demi> What's her face that was on Kate and Allie with Jane Curtin?
2008-01-03 17:45 < Mike_H> Susan Saint James
2008-01-03 17:47 < Demi> What happened to her?
2008-01-03 17:47 < Mike_H> She was on Oprah a few years ago
2008-01-03 17:47 < Mike_H> her husband and I think one of her children died in a plane crash
2008-01-03 17:48 < Demi> What was she on Oprah for?
2008-01-03 17:48 < Mike_H> her husband died in a plane crash
2008-01-03 17:48 < Mike_H> and she told the story
2008-01-03 17:48 < Mike_H> While guest-hosting the venerable NBC sketch comedy series Saturday Night Live in 1981, Saint James met her future third husband, then-SNL executive producer (and now president of NBC Sports) Dick Ebersol. They dated immediately and married within the year.
2008-01-03 17:48 < Demi> Oprah is so evil
2008-01-03 17:48 < Mike_H> On November 28, 2004, a plane carrying Ebersol and two of their sons crashed in Colorado; Ebersol and son Charles survived, but son Teddy (age 14 at the time) perished, as did the pilot and flight attendant.
2008-01-03 17:48 < Demi> It's like agony aunt porn
2008-01-03 17:48 < Mike_H> oh, that's what it was
2008-01-03 17:48 < Mike_H> her son died
2008-01-03 17:49 < Demi> Who the fuck turns that shit into advertising dollars? Oprah, that's who. Oprah is disgusting.
2008-01-03 17:50 < FastLizard4> I got my hostmask!
2008-01-03 17:50 < FastLizard4> Yay!
2008-01-03 17:50 < Scarian> Yay!
2008-01-03 17:51 < Scarian> FastLizard4: Can I join in in the happiness?
2008-01-03 17:51 < FastLizard4> yes
2008-01-03 17:51 < Scarian> Thanks.
2008-01-03 17:51 * Scarian joins in the happiness.
2008-01-03 17:53 < Demi> Anyone following the writer's strike?
2008-01-03 17:53 < TheWeasel> Eh, dumb people discuss people, smart people discuss events, wise people discuss ideas
2008-01-03 17:53 < FastLizard4> Demi: Yes
2008-01-03 17:54 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Smart people discuss the Top Models.
2008-01-03 17:54 < TheWeasel> I see.
2008-01-03 17:54 < Demi> so presumably TV networks have a huge slush pile of spec scripts from non-WGA submitters, right?
2008-01-03 17:54 < Scarian> Mike_H: That would make smart people heterosexual males or lesbians... generally speaking, no?
2008-01-03 17:54 < MsMarti> Demi: to a certain extent
2008-01-03 17:55 < TheWeasel> Scarian: That show is probably not watched by many straight males or lesbians
2008-01-03 17:55 < Scarian> That is true. I should've thought about that deeper.
2008-01-03 17:55 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: that's not true
2008-01-03 17:55 < Scarian> Oh?!
2008-01-03 17:55 < Mike_H> everyone admires eye candy
2008-01-03 17:56 < Scarian> I acknowledged what TheWeasel was saying... most likely it is middle aged women whom are "jealous"...
2008-01-03 17:56 < MsMarti> Scarian: put down the club and back away from the raw meat, just about everyone
2008-01-03 17:56 < Scarian> That would be my best educated guess. No sexism implied.
2008-01-03 17:56 < MsMarti> discusses Top Models
2008-01-03 17:56 < MsMarti> from their bloopers to their clothes to their babies
2008-01-03 17:56 < Demi> Scarian - what about middle-aged bisexual women?
2008-01-03 17:56 < MsMarti> and why they wore that to some party
2008-01-03 17:56 < Scarian> MsMarti: No! I'm not like that honestly.
2008-01-03 17:57 < Scarian> Demi: My apologies if I have caused any offence; I didn't mean it like that.
2008-01-03 17:57 * Scarian feels silly.
2008-01-03 17:57 * TheWeasel is wholly uninterested in the private lives and inner conflicts of strangers, except possibly on film
2008-01-03 17:57 < Demi> Scarian - no offense taken; I'm not a woman, by the way
2008-01-03 17:58 < Demi> but Top Model is a show my wife watches, and i sometimes see spillover
2008-01-03 17:58 < TheWeasel> but those are fake lives and conflicts then
2008-01-03 17:58 < Demi> like i've always said, they pretty much eliminate the women in order of their attractiveness to me
2008-01-03 17:58 < Scarian> Demi: Apologies to your wife for me.
2008-01-03 17:58 < Phoenix-busy> how do you spell contraversial?
2008-01-03 17:58 < Scarian> *apologise
2008-01-03 17:58 < Scarian> Phoenix-busy: Controversial
2008-01-03 17:58 < Phoenix-busy> thanks
2008-01-03 17:58 < TheWeasel> I hate that word
2008-01-03 17:58 < TheWeasel> with a passion
2008-01-03 17:58 < Mike_H> Demi: Yeah, a lot of very attractive girls get cut fairly early
2008-01-03 17:58 < Mike_H> Ashley and Cassandra (C5)
2008-01-03 17:58 < TheWeasel> like "issues", "lies" and "facts"
2008-01-03 17:58 < Demi> TheWeasel - it's a pretty controversial word
2008-01-03 17:58 < Mike_H> Kari (C6)
2008-01-03 17:58 < Mike_H> Felicia (C8)
2008-01-03 17:58 < Rinn> Let us controverse!
2008-01-03 17:59 < Scarian> Or converse?
2008-01-03 17:59 < TheWeasel> Cause it feels so empty without me
2008-01-03 17:59 * Phoenix-busy needs it for an mfd he's writing
2008-01-03 17:59 < Phoenix-busy> it's Controversial
2008-01-03 17:59 < TheWeasel> Media uses it a lot in the Anglosphere
2008-01-03 17:59 < MsMarti> hard to get away with sweeping generalities and such in a place like this
2008-01-03 17:59 < TheWeasel> "the X controversy"
2008-01-03 17:59 < MsMarti> a lot is in the editing too
2008-01-03 17:59 < Scarian> I think that TV show prefers "maked up" women over natural beauty...
2008-01-03 18:00 < Scarian> Natural beauty is far more attractive than "cosmetic plastic"
2008-01-03 18:00 < Demi> http://www.avclub.com/content/videocracy/3592
2008-01-03 18:00 < TheWeasel> Scarian: I think the mainstream does.
2008-01-03 18:00 < Mike_H> Scarian: Oh, Top Model loves "natural beauty"
2008-01-03 18:00 < Mike_H> I put that in quotes because some of those girls are rough and fugly
2008-01-03 18:00 < Scarian> And full of orange make up...
2008-01-03 18:00 < MsMarti> Jaslene!!!!
2008-01-03 18:00 < Mike_H> OMG JASLENE
2008-01-03 18:00 < Mike_H> horrible
2008-01-03 18:01 < Mike_H> Scarian: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=K5q-9HTAEdQ
2008-01-03 18:01 < MsMarti> they were playing to the latina audience there
2008-01-03 18:01 < Mike_H> this is Jaslene
2008-01-03 18:01 < Mike_H> MsMarti: Jaslene has sideburns
2008-01-03 18:01 < Mike_H> it's not cute
2008-01-03 18:01 < Scarian> Oh dear Lord...
2008-01-03 18:02 < Demi> Scarian - in a sense, they're competing to be decoratable ornaments, that's just not really my taste
2008-01-03 18:02 < Scarian> "Every day is a fashion opportunity..."
2008-01-03 18:02 < Mike_H> Scarian: and she says that while she's wearing Day-Glo yellow stilettos
2008-01-03 18:02 < Mike_H> it's fierce
2008-01-03 18:02 < Scarian> Demi: I'll make it my personal crusade to rid the world of shallow and superficial people...
2008-01-03 18:02 * TheWeasel hates stilettos
2008-01-03 18:02 < TheWeasel> and I'm not on an automatic opposition rampage here
2008-01-03 18:02 * Scarian is only 5' 8" and hates all shoes with heels...
2008-01-03 18:03 < MsMarti> The first few seasons were pretty good
2008-01-03 18:03 < Demi> TheWeasel - the long Italian piercing dagger or the tall narrow heels?
2008-01-03 18:03 < TheWeasel> Both
2008-01-03 18:03 < Mike_H> Jaslene talked like she was deaf
2008-01-03 18:03 < TheWeasel> I guess I'm just not the guy for the shoe fetish
2008-01-03 18:03 < Scarian> Mike_H: A lot of them have bad attitudes...
2008-01-03 18:03 < TheWeasel> I don't like that "cold" 80s aesthetic anyway
2008-01-03 18:03 < Demi> TheWeasel - like the girls in Robert Palmer videos?
2008-01-03 18:03 < Scarian> Mike_H: And are incredibly cocky... "Hey, I'm really beautiful..."
2008-01-03 18:04 < TheWeasel> I don't know them
2008-01-03 18:04 < Demi> TheWeasel - or the villainous reptile women in V?
2008-01-03 18:04 < Demi> I suspect I might have a thing for that
2008-01-03 18:04 < Mike_H> Scarian: and if Jaslene ever said that, you know she gon' get struck down by Jesus for lyin'
2008-01-03 18:04 < TheWeasel> I mean over-make-upped women with tough hair and a hat with a veil at the front
2008-01-03 18:04 < Scarian> Mike_H: Amen (Haven't said that in a while)
2008-01-03 18:04 < Scarian> :D
2008-01-03 18:04 < TheWeasel> who use those cigarette holder thingies
2008-01-03 18:04 < Mike_H> Scarian: Jaslene didn't get in for Cycle 7
2008-01-03 18:05 < Mike_H> and she tried out for Cycle 8 (which she won)
2008-01-03 18:05 < Mike_H> this is Cycle 8 tryouts: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0bB37mvTqb0
2008-01-03 18:05 < Demi> TheWeasel - I think you mean Cruella de Vil, from 101 Dalmatians.
2008-01-03 18:05 < TheWeasel> yea, but younger
2008-01-03 18:05 < TheWeasel> like 30 maybe
2008-01-03 18:05 < Scarian> Mike_H: I have no idea what cycles are in that context... I've only seen the adverts for Britains Top Model.
2008-01-03 18:05 < Mike_H> Scarian: A "cycle" is like a season
2008-01-03 18:05 < Mike_H> we've had nine so far
2008-01-03 18:05 < Demi> TheWeasel - is this a European thing? I don't think anyone uses those cigarette holders or wears veils in real life.
2008-01-03 18:05 < Mike_H> we have two cycles a year
2008-01-03 18:05 < TheWeasel> I dunno, it's just a glamour shtick I think
2008-01-03 18:05 < shimgray> Demi: well, not since the fifties
2008-01-03 18:06 < TheWeasel> yea, reminds one of 20s Berlin
2008-01-03 18:06 < Scarian> Mike_H: She must have an IQ of 4.
2008-01-03 18:06 < Scarian> Mike_H: And that's a liberal estimation.
2008-01-03 18:06 < Demi> to me, '80s coldness means shoulder pads, severe makeup, wet red lips and basically looking like you're a Nagel painting
2008-01-03 18:06 < Mike_H> Scarian: Well, a whole lot of those models aren't exactly known for their smarts, but yeah, Jaslene wasn't the shiniest diamond in the rough, whether it be for her intelligence or otherwise
2008-01-03 18:06 < TheWeasel> yea, that kind
2008-01-03 18:07 < Scarian> Mike_H: When will they make a show about smart ladies?
2008-01-03 18:07 < Mike_H> Scarian: Haha, yeah, never
2008-01-03 18:07 < Mike_H> When they announced that the Cycle 8 girls were going to Australia, Jaslene was like
2008-01-03 18:07 < Mike_H> "I never been nowhere cept tha hood and around da corner!"
2008-01-03 18:07 < Mike_H> oh, Jaslene.
2008-01-03 18:07 < Demi> Wouldn't a show about "smart ladies" be incredibly patronizing?
2008-01-03 18:07 < Scarian> Oh, Jaslene... you poor, poor soul...
2008-01-03 18:08 < Mike_H> MsMarti: Jaslene's from your hometown, girl!
2008-01-03 18:08 < Scarian> Demi: It would be different from that superficial crap... at least...
2008-01-03 18:08 < Demi> Scarian - No one's stopping them from going on Jeopardy!
2008-01-03 18:08 < Evil_Monkey> "Who Wants to Be a Well Adjusted Woman with a Healthy Moral Compass and Enough Sense Not to Get Banged on National Television!"
2008-01-03 18:08 < Scarian> Me! Me!
2008-01-03 18:08 < Mike_H> Evil_Monkey: That rules out literally every girl who's been on Top Model
2008-01-03 18:08 < Scarian> Ha
2008-01-03 18:08 < FastLizard4> Oh noes, it's the Evil_Monkey!
2008-01-03 18:08 < Scarian> Too true.
2008-01-03 18:09 < Scarian> Demi: Jeopardy is a quiz show?
2008-01-03 18:09 < Demi> Scarian - yes
2008-01-03 18:09 < Scarian> Demi: I'm English so I don't know these things... Sorry!
2008-01-03 18:10 < Scarian> Mike_H: You might be being a bit hasty there, Mike. Jaslene could be a really nice, morally centered person...
2008-01-03 18:10 < Demi> Scarian - I thought we got all our quiz shows from you.
2008-01-03 18:10 < Scarian> *giggles*
2008-01-03 18:10 < Mike_H> Scarian: rofl
2008-01-03 18:10 < Mike_H> Scarian: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=KplAXL7XVpw
2008-01-03 18:10 < Mike_H> This is a clip of Jaslene winning Top Model
2008-01-03 18:10 * TheWeasel usually finds people in film to be far more attractive than in their Oscar ceremony outfit
2008-01-03 18:10 < Mike_H> for as much as I rib her
2008-01-03 18:10 < Mike_H> it was really sweet
2008-01-03 18:11 < Scarian> Both of those models are particularly attractive tbh...
2008-01-03 18:11 < Mike_H> Scarian: As much as I really just dislike Jaslene and her look, as far as pictures she took, she was the clear winner
2008-01-03 18:11 < TheWeasel> so I think people don't improve with the makeover they get
2008-01-03 18:11 < Scarian> Demi: You got the millionaire one... and the Office... and you're getting Little Britain... but I have no idea what they're gonna call it...
2008-01-03 18:12 < Scarian> Mike_H: Yeah in that clip she looked the prettier out of the two.
2008-01-03 18:12 < Demi> Scarian - We also got Weakest Link
2008-01-03 18:12 < Scarian> Ah yeah!
2008-01-03 18:12 < Scarian> You can have that one.
2008-01-03 18:12 < Scarian> Weakest Link is crap.
2008-01-03 18:12 < Sfan00> Evening
2008-01-03 18:12 < Demi> With Anne Robinson even
2008-01-03 18:12 < Sfan00> :O
2008-01-03 18:12 < Scarian> Demi: Yeah, you can keep her too.
2008-01-03 18:12 < Mike_H> Scarian: Jaslene was never called to the bottom two the entire time she was on the show
2008-01-03 18:12 < Demi> Though there's a daily syndicated version now with... someone else, i think
2008-01-03 18:12 < Sfan00> Scarian: You'd have to pay big money in Soho for the stuff she does on the show
2008-01-03 18:12 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-01-03 18:12 < Mike_H> out of 115 contestants in nine cycles, she was only the second contestant to have captured that feat
2008-01-03 18:12 < Demi> Scarian - cash cab sort of seems like something that might be english
2008-01-03 18:13 < Scarian> Sfan00: Thanks... I'll bear that in mind... :D
2008-01-03 18:13 < Scarian> Demi: Oh yeah I've heard of Cash Cab... no idea what it is though...
2008-01-03 18:13 < Mike_H> Scarian: Jaslene's opponent, Natasha, had been in the bottom two I think twice.
2008-01-03 18:13 < Mike_H> She did really have the weaker portfolio.
2008-01-03 18:13 < Scarian> Mike_H: If she didn't wear so much makeup I would guess she'd be vaguely attractive...
2008-01-03 18:13 < TheWeasel> They gave up on the rudeness thing because viewers were annoyed by it here
2008-01-03 18:13 < Scarian> TheWeasel: Who? Jaslene?
2008-01-03 18:14 < TheWeasel> no, the host of Weakest Link
2008-01-03 18:14 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: They did that here too
2008-01-03 18:14 < Mike_H> they moved the show to daytime and got a new host, and he was more sarcastic
2008-01-03 18:14 < Demi> Scarian - i like it, the premise is you get into a cab, and are surprised to find you're on a game show; you get asked trivia questions and awarded money on an escalating ladder as you drive to your destination
2008-01-03 18:14 < Mike_H> and not out and out rude
2008-01-03 18:14 < Scarian> Yeah... it stopped being funny after the first couple of shows...
2008-01-03 18:14 < TheWeasel> Demi: We got that, I like it
2008-01-03 18:14 < Scarian> Demi: Oh yeah! I remember that. Yeah, I think that was made here... Damn Brits are so eager to give away money...
2008-01-03 18:15 < TheWeasel> the people are surprisingly knowledgeable
2008-01-03 18:15 < Mike_H> My dad hated Weakest Link. He wanted "the Limey to go home."
2008-01-03 18:15 < Mike_H> I believe those were his exact words.
2008-01-03 18:15 < Scarian> Ha. Racism. Love it.
2008-01-03 18:15 < TheWeasel> Englishmen are a race?
2008-01-03 18:15 < Scarian> Well I used it in the generic sense...
2008-01-03 18:15 < Scarian> And she's a man now? :-O
2008-01-03 18:15 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Sure, just ask Enoch Powell
2008-01-03 18:15 < Demi> The trend now is for awful guessing game shows
2008-01-03 18:15 < Demi> no quiz or gaming at all
2008-01-03 18:15 < ggreer> haha, toyota MR2 is pronounced emm-err-deux (sounds like merde)
2008-01-03 18:16 < Demi> like that Deal or No Deal and variations
2008-01-03 18:16 < ggreer> oh, they called it the MR in france
2008-01-03 18:16 < Scarian> Demi: Do you have Deal or No Deal too?
2008-01-03 18:16 < Mike_H> Demi: I love Deal or No Deal
2008-01-03 18:16 < Demi> Scarian - yeah
2008-01-03 18:16 < Mike_H> Scarian: Yeah, we've had it for about two years now
2008-01-03 18:16 < IceKarma> Mike_H, I loved Anne Robinson. Although she was awfully robotic at first.
2008-01-03 18:16 < Scarian> Oh man... It's so baser.
2008-01-03 18:16 < Sfan00> Icekarma: An Anne-droid?
2008-01-03 18:16 < Demi> IceKarma - i liked it when the daleks vaporized her
2008-01-03 18:16 < Scarian> In England the guy who presents the show tries to pass it off as a game of skill...
2008-01-03 18:16 < IceKarma> Sfan00, exactement =)
2008-01-03 18:17 < Scarian> When in reality they just pick boxes at random...
2008-01-03 18:17 < Mike_H> The United States version of the game show Deal or No Deal, (often shortened as Deal) hosted by Canadian actor-comedian Howie Mandel, premiered on December 19, 2005 on NBC.
2008-01-03 18:17 < Mike_H> now it airs twice a week, on Wednesdays and Fridays
2008-01-03 18:17 < Mike_H> (it used to air on Mondays and Wednesdays)
2008-01-03 18:17 < Demi> Scarian - In the U.S. the guy who presents the show is like a war criminal of entertainment, committing continuous atrocities against me since St. Elsewhere.
2008-01-03 18:17 < torch> I remember when
2008-01-03 18:17 < torch> I remember I remember when I lost my mind
2008-01-03 18:17 < IceKarma> Scarian, well, you could argue that the Monty Hall paradox (I think) applies, but there's far too many boxes to keep track of until almost the end
2008-01-03 18:18 < Mike_H> Scarian: Is Millionaire still on in the UK?
2008-01-03 18:18 < Demi> IceKarma - no, because nothing is revealed
2008-01-03 18:18 < IceKarma> Demi, and that's exactly the sort of counterargument I was hoping for. =)
2008-01-03 18:18 < IceKarma> Demi, I've not seen the show enough...
2008-01-03 18:18 < Scarian> Mike_H: It is... but it doesn't have the same ratings as it originally had.
2008-01-03 18:18 < Scarian> It'll probably be cancelled within the next few years.
2008-01-03 18:18 < Scarian> IceKarm: Monty Hall paradox?
2008-01-03 18:18 < Mike_H> Scarian: Millionaire is still on here, but in a different format
2008-01-03 18:19 < Mike_H> five times a week in daytime
2008-01-03 18:19 < Mike_H> instead of at night
2008-01-03 18:19 < Mike_H> with a new host
2008-01-03 18:19 * TheWeasel found the hardness of advanced WWTBAM questions all over the place
2008-01-03 18:19 < Mike_H> and instead of it being an hour
2008-01-03 18:19 < Mike_H> it's only 30 minutes
2008-01-03 18:19 < Scarian> Mike_H: Bad ratings huh?
2008-01-03 18:19 < Demi> IceKarma - hehe, right. well, i hate it, it removes any kind of game element and it's just prancing at that point, pure spectacle. the girls might as well be topless vegas dancers
2008-01-03 18:19 < Mike_H> Scarian: It's gotten consistently okay ratings in daytime
2008-01-03 18:19 < Mike_H> so they're never bringing it back to nighttime
2008-01-03 18:19 < Mike_H> The host of Millionaire is Meredith Vieira, who is also the host of NBC's Today morning program
2008-01-03 18:20 < IceKarma> I kind of like Don't Forget The Lyrics
2008-01-03 18:20 < Scarian> Mike_H: It's an alright show because it requires knowledge. But it gets boring.
2008-01-03 18:20 < Demi> TheWeasel - I was telling someone one time, that the appeal of Who Wants to be a Millionaire is that it's supposed to seem easy; contrast with Jeopardy, where the appeal of it is that it's supposed to seem hard.
2008-01-03 18:20 < Scarian> People need change to constantly be invigorated.
2008-01-03 18:20 < TheWeasel> heh, yea.
2008-01-03 18:20 < Demi> The ladder is what makes Millionaire difficult, not the questions.
2008-01-03 18:20 < Scarian> Psychological ploy.
2008-01-03 18:20 < TheWeasel> And coming in probably
2008-01-03 18:20 < Mike_H> Scarian: Millionaire doesn't really get difficult here until about $16,000
2008-01-03 18:20 < Scarian> Only 15 questions away from £1,000,000.
2008-01-03 18:21 < Scarian> I think it's unfair because of the exchange rate difference in the prize money.
2008-01-03 18:21 < Mike_H> and then once they get $25,000, they're locked into that
2008-01-03 18:21 < Scarian> A million sterling is a lot of money. Whilst in dollars it's nothing in comparison.
2008-01-03 18:21 < Mike_H> (when they moved to daytime they changed the scale a tiny bit and changed the $32,000 value to $25,000)
2008-01-03 18:21 < Scarian> *Reducing* the money?!
2008-01-03 18:21 < TheWeasel> to me it gets difficult starting at €32,000 (which is still more than doable)
2008-01-03 18:21 < Mike_H> Scarian: The top prize is still a million, but it's like
2008-01-03 18:21 < Demi> Scarian - it's a daily shown
2008-01-03 18:21 < Demi> er daily show
2008-01-03 18:22 < Demi> a different class really
2008-01-03 18:22 < Scarian> So I guess it would be less economical.
2008-01-03 18:22 < Mike_H> $25,000, $50,000, $100,000, $250,000, $500,000, $1,000,000
2008-01-03 18:22 < Demi> like i said, none of the questions on millionaire are that hard, it's having to know the entire ladder that's difficult
2008-01-03 18:22 < Mike_H> Scarian: Usually people take the money now before getting really high
2008-01-03 18:22 < Hello32020> hey paris
2008-01-03 18:22 < Scarian> It seems logical.
2008-01-03 18:22 < Mike_H> someone has not won the million dollars on our version in four years.
2008-01-03 18:22 < Demi> you can take moderate to easy questions and very few people can answer ten in a string
2008-01-03 18:22 < Hello32020> (i.e. Mike_H) :P
2008-01-03 18:22 < Mike_H> that's hot
2008-01-03 18:23 < Hello32020> o rly?
2008-01-03 18:23 < Scarian> It's strange with the amount of people than phone up that not one incredibly smart person can go on and answer all 15 straight and win.
2008-01-03 18:23 < Mike_H> ya
2008-01-03 18:23 < Mike_H> Scarian: We also now have four lifelines
2008-01-03 18:23 < Mike_H> instead of three
2008-01-03 18:23 < Demi> Scarian - everyone has holes
2008-01-03 18:23 < Mike_H> but you only get the fourth lifeline if you reach $25,000
2008-01-03 18:23 < Scarian> What's the fourth one?
2008-01-03 18:23 < Mike_H> "Switch the Question"
2008-01-03 18:23 < Mike_H> if you don't know it at all
2008-01-03 18:24 * TheWeasel knew about a quarter of all answers, and strong hunches about another quarter
2008-01-03 18:24 < Mike_H> you can get a completely new question
2008-01-03 18:24 < TheWeasel> of Million Euro questions
2008-01-03 18:24 < Scarian> Mike_H: Suppose they had to spice it up.
2008-01-03 18:24 < Demi> i remember after millionaire got popular, how they increased the awards on jeopardy
2008-01-03 18:25 < Mike_H> Scarian: This is our new version
2008-01-03 18:25 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=hOc_itwNt4A
2008-01-03 18:25 < TheWeasel> Jeopardy hasn't been shown here forever.
2008-01-03 18:25 < Sfan00> Mike_H: is that link offical?
2008-01-03 18:25 < Sfan00> Please do not link copyvios
2008-01-03 18:25 < Mike_H> Sfan00: :P
2008-01-03 18:25 < Scarian> Tom Spencer... Does he edit Wikipedia?
2008-01-03 18:26 * Cyrius doesn't know who Tom Spencer is
2008-01-03 18:26 < Scarian> The above link
2008-01-03 18:26 < gwern> Scarian: the producers obviously select candidates quite carefully
2008-01-03 18:26 < Cyrius> and lots of people edit Wikipedia
2008-01-03 18:26 < Scarian> gwern: Oh yes... quite clearly... eccentricity.
2008-01-03 18:26 * TheWeasel doesn't look good on television
2008-01-03 18:26 < Scarian> Cyrius: Check the above link out :D
2008-01-03 18:26 < Demi> Scarian - US$1000000 doesn't go far if exchanged for euros or pounds obviously, but it's still a big chunk of change here
2008-01-03 18:26 < Cyrius> I avoid youtube
2008-01-03 18:27 < Sfan00> ! million isn't worth as much in the US
2008-01-03 18:27 < Scarian> Demi: Yeah, of course. Would do a lower/middle class person a world of good.
2008-01-03 18:27 < Sfan00> You really need 3 million to be rich
2008-01-03 18:27 * brion dreams of paying off student loans
2008-01-03 18:27 < Sfan00> That simple
2008-01-03 18:27 < Mike_H> Scarian: I want my own doodleoo
2008-01-03 18:27 < Sfan00> You start a 'gentlemans' website with specially selected images...
2008-01-03 18:27 < Scarian> Mike_H: He is secretly Jimbo in disguise...
2008-01-03 18:28 < Sfan00> I mean you could start an encylopedia on the profits ;)
2008-01-03 18:28 < gwern> I always figured you'd need something like 5mil - invest safely at about 5% a year, and you'd have enough to live on?
2008-01-03 18:28 < ronismymom> WHOSE VOTING?
2008-01-03 18:28 < Scarian> You can live off of $2 mil
2008-01-03 18:28 < ronismymom> im going to vote
2008-01-03 18:28 * TheWeasel would never not work
2008-01-03 18:28 < ronismymom> cause im from iowa
2008-01-03 18:28 < Scarian> With the interest.
2008-01-03 18:29 < ronismymom> who should I VOTE FOR?????
2008-01-03 18:29 < Demi> US$1000000 ($500k after tax of course) would be enough to buy some nice things and do whatever you'd like for a job for the rest of your life; but you probably couldn't stop working or have an extravagant lifestyle or live in new york
2008-01-03 18:29 < Scarian> Demi: How MUCH tax do they take off? :-O
2008-01-03 18:29 < Mike_H> Scarian: I forgot that the "ask the audience" option included AOL Instant Messenger users
2008-01-03 18:29 < Scarian> Mike_H: Ha, that's some sponsorship right there.
2008-01-03 18:29 < Mike_H> Scarian: I think I used to have it added
2008-01-03 18:30 < Demi> Scarian - in the highest bracket 47% i think
2008-01-03 18:30 < Mike_H> what it does is when they're taping, and they need help
2008-01-03 18:30 < Mike_H> they'll message you
2008-01-03 18:30 < Mike_H> and ask you to respond
2008-01-03 18:30 < Demi> Scarian - plus state income tax, usually
2008-01-03 18:30 < Mike_H> and then they relay the results
2008-01-03 18:30 < gwern> Scarian: how low an annual income would interest on 2mill throw off?
2008-01-03 18:30 < gwern> interest rates are really low these days
2008-01-03 18:30 < ronismymom> who should I vote for?
2008-01-03 18:30 < Scarian> gwern: Well I made a guess... maths teacher told me years ago that you can live off £1million.
2008-01-03 18:30 * TheWeasel blocks the words "controversial" "fact" lie" and "issue"
2008-01-03 18:31 < gwern> years ago is the operative word here
2008-01-03 18:31 < gwern> reemmber, inflation is compounded too
2008-01-03 18:31 < Scarian> gwern: I know nothing of interest rates... say 1.5% - I don't know how much that is of 1m.
2008-01-03 18:31 < Scarian> Well I'd assume that interest rates usually hover... going up and down.
2008-01-03 18:31 < Mike_H> Scarian: Did you see his $250,000 question?
2008-01-03 18:31 < Mike_H> That's actually pretty difficult
2008-01-03 18:31 < Mike_H> I wouldn't know it
2008-01-03 18:32 < Scarian> Mike_H: Yeah, you'd need have read it and studied English Lit
2008-01-03 18:32 < Scarian> Mike_H: I only knew the Iambic word...
2008-01-03 18:32 < Sfan00> Iambic?
2008-01-03 18:32 < Wolly_39457> huch ? english?
2008-01-03 18:32 < Sfan00> What speech as if in the play>
2008-01-03 18:32 < Sfan00> ?
2008-01-03 18:33 < Scarian> [[Iambic pentameter]]
2008-01-03 18:33 < Demi> Are we saying iambic (as in pentameter) or Lambic (as in natural yeast ales?)
2008-01-03 18:33 < TheWeasel> what was the question?
2008-01-03 18:33 < Scarian> The link above TheWeasel
2008-01-03 18:33 < Scarian> It wasn't pentameter
2008-01-03 18:33 < TheWeasel> whats the question?
2008-01-03 18:33 < Scarian> But began with 't' I can't remember it.
2008-01-03 18:33 < TheWeasel> triptychon?
2008-01-03 18:33 < Demi> Scarian - you could get around 5% with the right public bonds or CDs or whatnot
2008-01-03 18:33 < Scarian> Okay I'll have a look for you.
2008-01-03 18:34 < TheWeasel> oh dont bother
2008-01-03 18:34 < TheWeasel> its alright
2008-01-03 18:34 < Scarian> Oh okay.
2008-01-03 18:34 < Demi> iambic tetrameter?
2008-01-03 18:34 < Scarian> I'll get it anyway just in case someone knows... actually they give the answer at the end so you could probably cheat...
2008-01-03 18:34 < Scarian> Yeah that's the one Demi.
2008-01-03 18:34 < Mike_H> Scarian: Watch this too
2008-01-03 18:34 < Mike_H> the name of the video says it all
2008-01-03 18:34 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=dMriTkE3igY
2008-01-03 18:34 < TheWeasel> The chance of that is low.
2008-01-03 18:34 < TheWeasel> (pst, that was an iambic trimeter)
2008-01-03 18:35 < Scarian> Oh my gosh...
2008-01-03 18:35 < Demi> it would be cool to have a quiz show where instead of answering trivia questions (or just doing that) people were doing a mix of puzzles and creative challenges
2008-01-03 18:35 < Scarian> I have no idea what that is...
2008-01-03 18:35 < Scarian> Demi: Like chess!
2008-01-03 18:35 < Demi> not like chess
2008-01-03 18:35 < TheWeasel> Like IQ tests?
2008-01-03 18:36 < TheWeasel> I hate those
2008-01-03 18:36 < Demi> more like that
2008-01-03 18:36 * TheWeasel likes trivia
2008-01-03 18:36 < Scarian> Oh my gosh... That poor kid.
2008-01-03 18:36 < Demi> but with the addition of things like categories
2008-01-03 18:36 < Scarian> Mike_H: That was horrible.
2008-01-03 18:36 < Demi> writing a haiku to certain parameters, that kind of thing
2008-01-03 18:36 < Demi> word ladders
2008-01-03 18:36 < TheWeasel> If nobody eats a live spider, it's not a good show.
2008-01-03 18:36 < Demi> Scarian - we had a channel regular go on jeopardy's teen tournament and do rather well
2008-01-03 18:36 < ronismymom> ok
2008-01-03 18:36 < ronismymom> guys
2008-01-03 18:36 < ronismymom> im off to vote
2008-01-03 18:37 < ronismymom> i dont know who for
2008-01-03 18:37 < ronismymom> since no ones told me what to think