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2008-01-03 15:21 < x_Rankun_X> 20 bucks says i can piss you off really fast with 1337 programming
2008-01-03 15:21 < bjweeks> pure ASM?
2008-01-03 15:21 < quanticle> bjweeks: Naw, more like VB
2008-01-03 15:22 < bjweeks> quanticle: that isn't very 1337
2008-01-03 15:22 < bjweeks> or how about Lisp?
2008-01-03 15:22 < quanticle> bjweeks: My point exactly
2008-01-03 15:22 < quanticle> bjweeks: Lisp is too elegant for anyone that even uses the word 1337
2008-01-03 15:23 < quanticle> :(){ :|:& };:
2008-01-03 15:23 < bjweeks> hahahaha
2008-01-03 15:23 * bjweeks doesn't put that in his shell
2008-01-03 15:23 * quanticle wonders if anyone else gets it
2008-01-03 15:23 < bjweeks> quanticle: real 1337 hax0rs use Ruby or Python
2008-01-03 15:23 < x_Rankun_X> quanticle
2008-01-03 15:23 < x_Rankun_X> say something
2008-01-03 15:24 < Sfan00> quanticle: cons SulingualispaSchemeninsisequel?
2008-01-03 15:24 < x_Rankun_X> hmm
2008-01-03 15:24 < x_Rankun_X> soemone tell me where im wrong
2008-01-03 15:24 < x_Rankun_X> on *:TEXT:*:#wikipedia:{
2008-01-03 15:24 < x_Rankun_X> if $user=quanticle
2008-01-03 15:24 < bjweeks> what shitty language is that?
2008-01-03 15:24 < quanticle> Sfan00: more like (cons lingua lisp scheme)
2008-01-03 15:24 < x_Rankun_X> mirc progspeak
2008-01-03 15:24 < bjweeks> hahahaha
2008-01-03 15:24 < The359> shitty indeed
2008-01-03 15:25 < lc2> x_Rankun_X: ==
2008-01-03 15:25 < bjweeks> #scriptkiddies is that way
2008-01-03 15:25 * bjweeks points
2008-01-03 15:25 < quanticle> The359: Which language was that?
2008-01-03 15:25 < Sfan00> quanticle: See Sigsumeidsi on Wikia
2008-01-03 15:25 < Sfan00> ?
2008-01-03 15:25 < quanticle> Sfan00: Sfan00> quanticle: cons SulingualispaSchemeninsisequel?
2008-01-03 15:26 < Sfan00> Yep
2008-01-03 15:26 < Sfan00> thats a valid question
2008-01-03 15:26 < Sfan00> in Sigumeidsi
2008-01-03 15:27 < x_Rankun_X> someone say something
2008-01-03 15:27 < gurch> ...?
2008-01-03 15:27 < bjweeks> gurch: you ruined it!
2008-01-03 15:28 < gurch> I could have sworn it was "squel", not "sequel"
2008-01-03 15:28 < Sfan00> Indeed it was
2008-01-03 15:28 < Sfan00> :(
2008-01-03 15:28 < Sfan00> me goes bright red
2008-01-03 15:29 < Qebafhzn> Hey.
2008-01-03 15:29 < gurch> and I had forgotten all about that language
2008-01-03 15:29 < gurch> go me
2008-01-03 15:29 < Sfan00> I've STILL got the logs
2008-01-03 15:29 < gurch> something about scheme, then
2008-01-03 15:29 < gurch> what does "nin" mean?
2008-01-03 15:29 < Flameviper> "ninny"
2008-01-03 15:29 < quanticle> Sfan00: Oh god, its like lojban, isn't it?
2008-01-03 15:30 < gurch> quanticle: only worse :)
2008-01-03 15:30 < Sfan00> it should have read cons su lingua 'lisp' a 'Scheme enin si sqeul
2008-01-03 15:30 < Qebafhzn> Gurch, do you mind if I ask you a question?
2008-01-03 15:30 < gurch> on, *enin*
2008-01-03 15:30 < Sfan00> make set of language Scheme & Lisp structures ?
2008-01-03 15:30 < gurch> yes now it makes sense
2008-01-03 15:31 < Sfan00> A Lingust I found from RMS did not think much of it
2008-01-03 15:31 < gurch> well he wouldn't
2008-01-03 15:31 < Qebafhzn> Is it a waste of time to learn a client scripting language if you are going to learn a server scripting language?
2008-01-03 15:31 < Sfan00> and had a view that conlongs are not a good thing when there are 'endangered' real languages
2008-01-03 15:31 < Sfan00> *conlangs
2008-01-03 15:31 < quanticle> Qebafhzn: Not necessarily
2008-01-03 15:32 < bjweeks> Qebafhzn: in the case the web you need both
2008-01-03 15:32 < gurch> Sfan00: I feel the following xkcd sums it up well:
2008-01-03 15:32 < gurch> Sfan00: http://xkcd.com/114/
2008-01-03 15:32 < quanticle> gurch: You beat me to it
2008-01-03 15:32 < Sfan00> Oh
2008-01-03 15:32 < Sfan00> Anyway I still have the channel logs ...
2008-01-03 15:32 < quanticle> Sfan00: Also, http://www.xkcd.com/191/
2008-01-03 15:32 < gurch> yes I imagine you still do
2008-01-03 15:32 < Sfan00> I might try and work on it sometime in the new year
2008-01-03 15:33 < gurch> quanticle: is that the lojban one?
2008-01-03 15:33 < gurch> quanticle: ah, it is. :)
2008-01-03 15:33 < x_Rankun_X> someone say someting
2008-01-03 15:33 < bjweeks> can somebody please ban him?
2008-01-03 15:34 < sunderland2006> i know your expecting this but BLEH
2008-01-03 15:34 < gurch> x_Rankun_X: meid mem suborksi
2008-01-03 15:34 < The359> we have been saying stuff
2008-01-03 15:34 < The359> your l33t IRC scripting skills are fail
2008-01-03 15:34 < Sfan00> quancticle : me id cog-mem su laugh bio-enin si
2008-01-03 15:34 < Flameviper> ALLAH ACKBAR!
2008-01-03 15:35 < gurch> laugh?
2008-01-03 15:35 < bjweeks> fail script in a fail language on a fail IRC client is fail
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> Lol quanicle said fail script in a fail language on a fail IRC client is fail thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> lets try to see if the rest of the code works
2008-01-03 15:35 < Sfan00> We didn't have a word for laughter...
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> Lol quanicle said We didn't have a word for laughter... thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:35 < gurch> what sort of a sigsumeidsi is that? :P
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> Lol quanicle said what sort of a sigsumeidsi is that? :P thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:35 < gurch> er...
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> Lol quanicle said er... thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:35 < bjweeks> and ban
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> Lol quanicle said and ban thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:35 < gurch> I think you'll find I said it
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> stop
2008-01-03 15:35 < gurch> not quanticle
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> kk
2008-01-03 15:35 < gurch> YOU FAIL
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> no
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> it was only for quanticle
2008-01-03 15:35 < Flameviper> [15:56] <x_Rankun_X> Lol quanicle said a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:35 < Sfan00> so i substituted an enlgish word...
2008-01-03 15:35 < Flameviper> YOU FAIL
2008-01-03 15:35 < x_Rankun_X> i can make one for you
2008-01-03 15:36 < Flameviper> EPIC FAIL GUY STRIKES AGAIN
2008-01-03 15:36 < x_Rankun_X> i could make one for everyone
2008-01-03 15:36 < gurch> there's never an op when you need one, is there?
2008-01-03 15:36 < Flameviper> ooh, do me
2008-01-03 15:36 < Sfan00> Sigsumedsi: Didin't have a word for laughter...
2008-01-03 15:36 < gurch> !op
2008-01-03 15:36 < The359> you go ahead and do that
2008-01-03 15:36 < Flameviper> do me
2008-01-03 15:36 < x_Rankun_X> go
2008-01-03 15:36 < Flameviper> gurch: that highlights me
2008-01-03 15:36 < Cometstyles> gurch, ?
2008-01-03 15:36 < gurch> Flameviper: then kick him already :P
2008-01-03 15:36 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said Flameviper: then kick him already :P thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:36 < gurch> Cometstyles: have a look at the recent ramblings of x_Rankun_X ...
2008-01-03 15:36 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said Cometstyles: have a look at the recent ramblings of x_Rankun_X ... thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:36 < bjweeks> I thought this channel had stupid abusive ops? where the hell are they?
2008-01-03 15:36 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said I thought this channel had stupid abusive ops? where the hell are they? thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:36 < The359> someone please get rid of him?
2008-01-03 15:36 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said someone please get rid of him? thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:36 < gurch> hahaha
2008-01-03 15:36 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said hahaha thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:36 < Cometstyles> yeha I saw but Gur #wikipeda ops = FAIL
2008-01-03 15:36 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said yeha I saw but Gur #wikipeda ops = FAIL thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:37 < Cometstyles> gurch*
2008-01-03 15:37 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said gurch* thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:37 < NotASpy> thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:37 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED. thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:37 < Sfan00> gurch : x_Rankun_X mem su rando-cons-enin si squel
2008-01-03 15:37 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said gurch : x_Rankun_X mem su rando-cons-enin si squel thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:37 < The359> !ops anyone?
2008-01-03 15:37 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said !ops anyone? thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:37 < FrancoGG> x_Rankun_X, please stop it
2008-01-03 15:37 < x_Rankun_X> Lol said x_Rankun_X, please stop it thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:37 < Flameviper> stop it
2008-01-03 15:37 < gurch> :O
2008-01-03 15:37 < x_Rankun_X> k
2008-01-03 15:37 < quanticle> That's a saying that just go archived
2008-01-03 15:37 < NotASpy> bye
2008-01-03 15:37 < Flameviper> you are a tool
2008-01-03 15:37 < bjweeks> gg
2008-01-03 15:37 * Cometstyles reiterates :|
2008-01-03 15:37 < The359> ty
2008-01-03 15:37 < Flameviper> wait a sec, don't ban him
2008-01-03 15:37 < The359> finally
2008-01-03 15:37 < gurch> Flameviper: you kicked yourself?
2008-01-03 15:37 < gurch> Flameviper: lol
2008-01-03 15:37 < Cometstyles> FrancoGG, now that troll :|
2008-01-03 15:37 < Flameviper> plus, you just banned tennesee comcast users
2008-01-03 15:37 < The359> and?
2008-01-03 15:37 < IceKarma> not all of them
2008-01-03 15:37 < GDonato> ok, this seriously hopeless
2008-01-03 15:37 < gurch> well that's their fault for living in tennessee
2008-01-03 15:37 < gurch> :P
2008-01-03 15:38 < quanticle> The359: We don't need people from there?
2008-01-03 15:38 < IceKarma> hello, check out the part of the ban before the @
2008-01-03 15:38 < Cometstyles> Fabexplosive, you banned Mike_H so nobody important ;)
2008-01-03 15:38 < Flameviper> you banned adam ridley!
2008-01-03 15:38 < The359> Mike H is in Georgia?
2008-01-03 15:38 < Fabexplosive> Cometstyles: wait please :D
2008-01-03 15:38 < The359> erm, Florida
2008-01-03 15:38 < gurch> Flameviper: well you only managed to kick yourself, so... :)
2008-01-03 15:38 < The359> how would he be banned?
2008-01-03 15:39 < Flameviper> well, Adam Ridley is banned
2008-01-03 15:39 < Flameviper> oh em jee
2008-01-03 15:39 < gurch> Lol said oh em gee, please stop it thats a saying that just got ARCHIVED.
2008-01-03 15:39 * gurch wonders where this archive might be
2008-01-03 15:39 < Flameviper> what the hell was he doing anyway?
2008-01-03 15:39 < Flameviper> I don't get it...
2008-01-03 15:39 < Sfan00> NO PUBLIC LOGS!
2008-01-03 15:40 < Flameviper> wut about a qdb?
2008-01-03 15:40 < Cometstyles> damn Tennessee ;)
2008-01-03 15:40 < Flameviper> What if I said the same line on 2 channels and posted the line on a QDB ;)
2008-01-03 15:40 < gurch> if you said the line you can do what the hell you like
2008-01-03 15:40 < Flameviper> I get all jumpy whenever anyone gets opped
2008-01-03 15:41 < troubled> heh
2008-01-03 15:41 < Flameviper> and then have a tremendous sigh of relief when I'm not getting banned
2008-01-03 15:41 < Flameviper> plus, I'm nervous because I can't see the two most recent lines on my screen
2008-01-03 15:42 < gurch> ...?
2008-01-03 15:42 < gurch> your screen is fail
2008-01-03 15:42 < quanticle> Flameviper: How do you follow the conversation?
2008-01-03 15:42 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-03 15:42 < gurch> he won't answer until two more things have been said, so...
2008-01-03 15:42 * gurch huggles NotACow
2008-01-03 15:42 < NotACow> gurchie!
2008-01-03 15:43 < Flameviper> gurch: exactly
2008-01-03 15:43 < Flameviper> or I have to do
2008-01-03 15:43 < quanticle> Flameviper: Does that mean you're like the slow dude who's always a couple secs behind in the conversation?
2008-01-03 15:43 < Flameviper> something like
2008-01-03 15:43 < Flameviper> this
2008-01-03 15:43 < Cometstyles> >:(
2008-01-03 15:43 < Flameviper> quanticle: yes :(
2008-01-03 15:43 < Flameviper> or I just do this:
2008-01-03 15:43 < gurch> is the actual bottom of the image missing on your monitor?
2008-01-03 15:43 < Flameviper> /msg asdfasdfasdfasdf asdfasdfasdfasdf
2008-01-03 15:43 < gurch> or have you just positioned the window wrong? :P
2008-01-03 15:44 < Flameviper> so then it says "sending message" and then "no such nick", which is 2 lines
2008-01-03 15:44 < GDonato> Flameviper: erm, why don't you try fixing it?
2008-01-03 15:44 < Flameviper> oh, btw
2008-01-03 15:44 < gurch> if it's the former, you should be able to adjust it
2008-01-03 15:44 < Flameviper> [16:03] <x_Rankun_X> i killed the script as soon as you said stop
2008-01-03 15:44 < gurch> if you can't, you should really get a new monitor
2008-01-03 15:44 < Flameviper> [16:03] <x_Rankun_X> unban me
2008-01-03 15:44 < gurch> Flameviper: no
2008-01-03 15:44 < Flameviper> gurch: I shot it with an AirSoft pistol
2008-01-03 15:44 < gurch> Flameviper: it's his fault for being such a jerk in the first place
2008-01-03 15:44 < gurch> ...
2008-01-03 15:44 < gurch> loldong
2008-01-03 15:45 < Cometstyles> hmm
2008-01-03 15:45 < Flameviper> gurch: being frequently banned m'self, I cannot simply stand by whilst someone else gets screwed
2008-01-03 15:45 < Flameviper> also, you're doing it wrong
2008-01-03 15:45 < gurch> Flameviper: indeed
2008-01-03 15:45 < Flameviper> it's "loldongs"
2008-01-03 15:45 < quanticle> Flameviper: Somehow methinks that shooting monitors with airsoft guns isn't a terribly bright idea
2008-01-03 15:45 < gurch> Flameviper: instead of standing by, I recommend you go buy a new monitor
2008-01-03 15:45 < Cometstyles> >:(
2008-01-03 15:45 < quanticle> Flameviper: Is it a laptop?
2008-01-03 15:45 < gurch> Flameviper: someone told me "loldongs" was banned, but I thought I might be able to get away with just one
2008-01-03 15:45 < Flameviper> quanticle: if someone had only told me that before I did so
2008-01-03 15:46 < quanticle> Flameviper: It wasn't self evident?
2008-01-03 15:46 < Flameviper> quanticle: a 6-month-old birthday present, 22-inch LCD monitor
2008-01-03 15:46 < Flameviper> well, I'm stupid
2008-01-03 15:46 < Flameviper> ;_;
2008-01-03 15:46 < gurch> ouch
2008-01-03 15:46 < quanticle> Flameviper: Its like saying, "I wish someone had told me not to touch the hot stove with my bare hands..."
2008-01-03 15:46 < Rinn> loldongs
2008-01-03 15:46 < gurch> can't you just resize the window
2008-01-03 15:46 < gurch> so as not to occupy the bottom part of the screen?
2008-01-03 15:46 < gurch> ^
2008-01-03 15:46 < gurch> ^
2008-01-03 15:47 < Flameviper> gurch: I'll post a picture
2008-01-03 15:47 * gurch thinks this must be possible, unless something is really weird
2008-01-03 15:47 < Mike2> http://img.waffleimages.com/adb4cc158db7c3a231782ac5a1fb0fd5f9b2be63/moebgear.gif
2008-01-03 15:48 < gurch> Mike2: /me is confused
2008-01-03 15:49 < Rinn> Mobius gear?
2008-01-03 15:49 < Mike2> yes
2008-01-03 15:49 < quanticle> Mike2: Cool. I want to build one of those in real life now
2008-01-03 15:49 < Mike2> someone has *got* to build this
2008-01-03 15:53 < Flameviper> Ah
2008-01-03 15:53 < Flameviper> my computer is being gay again
2008-01-03 15:53 < Flameviper> >_<
2008-01-03 15:54 < Mike_H> oh, those homosexual computers.
2008-01-03 15:54 < Evil_Monkey> Is every body ready for Iowa caucusing! :-P
2008-01-03 15:54 < Flameviper> what the hell...?
2008-01-03 15:55 < Flameviper> oh, wow
2008-01-03 15:55 < Flameviper> this guy is really inventive
2008-01-03 15:55 < Leslie_S> do they still make cars in sweden?
2008-01-03 15:55 < Flameviper> XD
2008-01-03 15:55 < Wizardman> woot, Iowa
2008-01-03 15:55 < Rinn> I used to do that all the time when I was banned.
2008-01-03 15:55 < Flameviper> Leslie_S: They make fish in Sweden
2008-01-03 15:55 < Flameviper> and they make cars, and they get good milage, and they're cheap
2008-01-03 15:55 < FrancoGG> somerandomwiki, join #wikimedia-ops if you want to discuss your ban, don't try to evade it, please
2008-01-03 15:55 < Sfan00> Leslie_S: Volvos - YES
2008-01-03 15:55 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: I'm ready, even though I'm not in Iowa
2008-01-03 15:56 < Flameviper> only problem is, they come in a truck, and they dump all the pieces and an instruction manual on your driveway
2008-01-03 15:56 < Mike_H> quanticle: drive south
2008-01-03 15:56 < Mike_H> go thurr
2008-01-03 15:56 < quanticle> Sfan00: Don't forget Saab?
2008-01-03 15:56 < quanticle> *.
2008-01-03 15:56 < rv__> what isit about sweeden
2008-01-03 15:57 < Demi> Flameviper - along with a pile of rancid meatballs
2008-01-03 15:57 < quanticle> rv__: What about Sweden?
2008-01-03 15:57 < Yert> Sweden
2008-01-03 15:57 < rv__> and koenigsegg
2008-01-03 15:57 < Sfan00> Flameviper: IKEA don't do cars yet ;)
2008-01-03 15:57 < rv__> is the only SWEDISH car
2008-01-03 15:57 < Flameviper> demi: i lol's
2008-01-03 15:57 < Evil_Monkey> you'd think that for a state where the average high temperature in Jan is below freezing, holding something where people have to leave their houses would be considered stupid
2008-01-03 15:57 * quanticle would seriously consider purchansing an Ikea car
2008-01-03 15:57 < rv__> everyone else is owned buy ford or GM
2008-01-03 15:57 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-01-03 15:57 < Flameviper> aaaahhhhh
2008-01-03 15:57 < rv__> like volvo or saab
2008-01-03 15:58 < Flameviper> did you know that they don't make aeromaxes anymore?
2008-01-03 15:58 < Sfan00> rv__: It still a Swedish brand
2008-01-03 15:58 < rv__> no
2008-01-03 15:58 < Wizardman> wow. Just by going through baseball stubs i never realized how many need cleanup from the defaultsort beginnings and the like
2008-01-03 15:58 < quanticle> Flameviper: What's an aeromax?
2008-01-03 15:58 < Flameviper> the ford semi division got bought by freightliner
2008-01-03 15:58 < rv__> Sfan00: the owner isnt from sweden
2008-01-03 15:58 < Flameviper> and turned into Sterling
2008-01-03 15:58 < rv__> then it cant be a swedish brand
2008-01-03 15:58 < Flameviper> and freightliner is owned by chrysler
2008-01-03 15:58 < Demi> Evil_Monkey - you realize that if the temperature is freezing, that doesn't mean you actually freeze if you step out of doors?
2008-01-03 15:58 < quanticle> Flameviper: Isn't Chrysler going bankrupt?
2008-01-03 15:59 < Evil_Monkey> Demi: sure you do. Just like you explode if you leave a spacecraft without a spacesuit
2008-01-03 15:59 < Sfan00> Evil_Monkey: Erm no
2008-01-03 15:59 < Demi> Evil_Monkey - also, you die instantly if you bail out of a jet airplane
2008-01-03 15:59 < Sfan00> Demi: ?
2008-01-03 15:59 < Rinn> Inertia?
2008-01-03 15:59 < Flameviper> quanticle: my school uses freightliners for buses!
2008-01-03 15:59 < Flameviper> egad!
2008-01-03 15:59 < Sfan00> What about ejection seats?
2008-01-03 15:59 < quanticle> Sfan00: Sarcasm
2008-01-03 16:00 < Sfan00> If you were to staright bail from a jet yeah
2008-01-03 16:00 < Flameviper> actually, I read about ejection seats in PS in '03
2008-01-03 16:00 < quanticle> Flameviper: They haul you around in semitrailers?
2008-01-03 16:00 < Flameviper> quanticle: no, silly
2008-01-03 16:00 < Flameviper> freightliner makes the cab/chassis
2008-01-03 16:01 < Flameviper> and the front end of the vehicle will be the same
2008-01-03 16:01 < Flameviper> it's just a question of whether a trailer hitch is put on the back, or if the cab is stretched out to 10 yards and made into a bus
2008-01-03 16:01 * Flameviper reflects on how awesome it would be to ride to school in a semi
2008-01-03 16:01 * Flameviper but only if I was driving it, or else it would just suck
2008-01-03 16:02 < Demi> Flameviper - sounds like essentially a short bus variant
2008-01-03 16:02 < quanticle> Flameviper: Wow, that makes your buses cooler than ours. We had the usual flat-nosed school buses that you see everywhere.
2008-01-03 16:02 < Flameviper> quanticle: I hate those... they look weird
2008-01-03 16:02 < quanticle> Flameviper: Why? They're just like city buses but painted yellow
2008-01-03 16:02 < Flameviper> Demi: erm, short buses usually have a van front, whereas longer buses (like ours) have a semi-front
2008-01-03 16:03 < Cyrius> not looking weird is not an important design requirement for a bus
2008-01-03 16:03 < Flameviper> quanticle: yeah, but they're dumb
2008-01-03 16:03 < Flameviper> you know that semi trucks are essentially pickups on steroids, right?
2008-01-03 16:03 < Flameviper> like the ford F-series, that's a prime example
2008-01-03 16:04 < quanticle> Flameviper: I'd imagine that there's a bit more difference than that. One extra axle in the rear for example...
2008-01-03 16:04 < Demi> they're probably more like pickups with an attitude
2008-01-03 16:04 < Demi> or perhaps they're pickups on crack
2008-01-03 16:04 < Demi> we'll have to check with '80s stand-up comics to know for sure
2008-01-03 16:04 < Flameviper> F-150, F-250, and F-350 are consumer pickup trucks, and F-450 is somewhat bigger than 350, it's a mainly commercial truck, F-650 is a super-duty commercial truck, and F-750s are bigger than that
2008-01-03 16:04 < quanticle> Demi: Maybe steroids, but not crack
2008-01-03 16:04 < Flameviper> no
2008-01-03 16:04 < Flameviper> a pickup on crack would be a zombie truck
2008-01-03 16:05 < Cyrius> Demi: crack would make them crazy and fucked up, not big
2008-01-03 16:05 < Flameviper> and they used to make F-800 and 900s, I believe, but they don't any more
2008-01-03 16:05 < quanticle> Cyrius: Hence my comments about steroids
2008-01-03 16:05 < quanticle> s/comments/comment
2008-01-03 16:05 < Demi> Cyrius - semi trucks are like toy semi trucks on Rick Moranis
2008-01-03 16:05 < Flameviper> then Aeromax L-9000 is the only semi they've ever made, but they sold their semi division to Chryser in 1997
2008-01-03 16:05 < Flameviper> then again
2008-01-03 16:06 < Flameviper> what about *hackers* on steroids?
2008-01-03 16:06 < Flameviper> they're even worse
2008-01-03 16:06 < Flameviper> at least semi trucks don't treat the internet like a real life video game
2008-01-03 16:06 < Cyrius> that was...odd
2008-01-03 16:06 < Flameviper> cyrius: how so
2008-01-03 16:06 < Demi> Hackers on steroids are like New York, and semi trucks are like L.A. Boy are my arms tired.
2008-01-03 16:07 < Flameviper> Demi: if you're using your arms to type, you're doing it wrong
2008-01-03 16:07 < Flameviper> use your fingers
2008-01-03 16:07 < Flameviper> or boxing gloves, if you're strong bad
2008-01-03 16:07 < Cyrius> Demi: don't worry, I understood what you were going for and laughed
2008-01-03 16:08 * Flameviper DISCLAIMER: do not attempt the above instructions on your own. I am a paid professional (as if being paid makes you better). Type at your own risk.
2008-01-03 16:10 < The359> Aeromax was sold to Freightliner, who renamed it Sterling
2008-01-03 16:11 < The359> Mercedes-Benz owned Freightliner originally, Chrysler simply became part of DaimlerChrysler
2008-01-03 16:11 < The359> so Chrysler never owned Aeromax, technically
2008-01-03 16:11 < NotASpy> Austin Rover sold cars in America under the Sterling brand a few years back too.
2008-01-03 16:12 < The359> and since DaimlerChrysler split, Freightliner and Sterling remain with Daimler-Benz, not Chrysler
2008-01-03 16:12 < The359> Not the same Sterling, NotASpy
2008-01-03 16:12 < NotASpy> no, I know, just thought I would throw in the Austin Rover thing.
2008-01-03 16:13 < The359> This Sterling was a company that was purchased by Volvo Trucks North America and phased out many years ago, and Daimler merely resurrected the name
2008-01-03 16:13 < The359> yeah
2008-01-03 16:13 < The359> although I seem to recall the Sterlings were actually Hondas built by Austin-Rover
2008-01-03 16:14 < gwern> "It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope."
2008-01-03 16:14 < NotASpy> they developed the car together, Honda built their version properly, AR didn't.
2008-01-03 16:14 < The359> yeah
2008-01-03 16:14 < The359> they're basically the same thing as a Honda/Acura Legend
2008-01-03 16:16 < NotASpy> yeap.
2008-01-03 16:16 < quanticle> The359: Did the same thing happen with the Mitsubishi GT3000 and the Dodge Stealth?
2008-01-03 16:16 < The359> what do you mean?
2008-01-03 16:16 < Cyrius> same car, built by Mitsubishi
2008-01-03 16:16 < The359> yes
2008-01-03 16:16 < The359> both built in Japan
2008-01-03 16:16 < The359> Mitsubishi 3000GT, that is, called the Mitsubishi GTO in Japan
2008-01-03 16:17 < quanticle> The359: Really? That's interesting. I thought Dodge built its in America
2008-01-03 16:17 < Cyrius> stealth had some different body panels and a lower low-end model
2008-01-03 16:17 * Fabexplosive goodnight
2008-01-03 16:17 < The359> the Stealth had that funky rear wing placed against the rear glass
2008-01-03 16:17 < NotASpy> sort of, the Rover 800 and Sterling was thrown together by some disgruntled communists in Oxford, England. The Honda was carefully built in Japan.
2008-01-03 16:17 < The359> no quanticle, in fact the fact that the Stealth was not built in America actually caused a bit of a problem
2008-01-03 16:18 < quanticle> The359: Yeah. I recall seeing a GT3000 and thinking, "That looks like a prettier version of a Dodge Stealth."
2008-01-03 16:18 < The359> it's 3000GT
2008-01-03 16:18 * Demi wrinkles nose, pretty? really?
2008-01-03 16:18 < quanticle> The359: Heh, oops
2008-01-03 16:18 < The359> I always liked the Stealth better
2008-01-03 16:18 < quanticle> Demi: It was prettier than the Stealth, IMHO
2008-01-03 16:18 < The359> anyway
2008-01-03 16:18 < Cyrius> my great-aunt owned a stealth
2008-01-03 16:18 < quanticle> Demi: I didn't say pretty overall
2008-01-03 16:18 < Demi> hm, maybe, i don't remember the stealth all that well
2008-01-03 16:18 < The359> in 1991, the Stealth was suggested by Dodge to be the pace car for the Indy 500
2008-01-03 16:19 < Demi> i remember the mitsu 3000GT being very boy-racer and toy-like, maybe i'm thinking of a different car
2008-01-03 16:19 < The359> so they painted up some cars in yellow for use as the pace car and as support cars and such
2008-01-03 16:19 * IceKarma used to drive an Eclipse.
2008-01-03 16:19 < The359> Then someone at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway realized the Stealth was not built in America
2008-01-03 16:19 < Demi> lot of plastic-looking little vents and swells
2008-01-03 16:19 < The359> Every pace car since 1911 had been an American car
2008-01-03 16:20 < The359> So Dodge says, ok, we have this prototype sports car we're still working on, we might be able to scrap a few together and use them instead
2008-01-03 16:20 < Flameviper> okay, I've got something in the works
2008-01-03 16:20 < The359> That sports car ended up being the first prototypes of the Dodge Viper RT/10
2008-01-03 16:20 < Flameviper> the359: you highlighted me why?
2008-01-03 16:20 < Cyrius> Demi: I think you're thinking of the early 90's Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon/Plymouth Laser
2008-01-03 16:20 < Flameviper> oh, I see
2008-01-03 16:20 < Flameviper> you said "viper"
2008-01-03 16:20 < Flameviper> :/
2008-01-03 16:20 < Cyrius> The359: it's in the article
2008-01-03 16:20 < Flameviper> hey gurch, anyone who wants to see how stupid I am:
2008-01-03 16:20 < The359> So Dodge used their Vipers instead, which the crowd loved and the Viper became a hit
2008-01-03 16:20 < Flameviper> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/LCD_injury_on_IRC.PNG
2008-01-03 16:21 < Flameviper> AARGH
2008-01-03 16:21 < The359> but because the Vipers were prototypes, they couldn't give one to the winner
2008-01-03 16:21 < The359> so the winner received one of the Stealths
2008-01-03 16:21 < Flameviper> you ping me long time!
2008-01-03 16:21 < Messedrocker> hehe
2008-01-03 16:21 < Messedrocker> flameviper
2008-01-03 16:21 < Messedrocker> the dodge flame viper
2008-01-03 16:21 < The359> Needs moar Viper
2008-01-03 16:21 < Flameviper> aaahhhhhhhh
2008-01-03 16:21 < Flameviper> actually, it needs mar ~desu
2008-01-03 16:21 < Flameviper> *moar
2008-01-03 16:21 < Demi> Cyrius - i think i am, the 3000GT doesn't look as bad as i remember
2008-01-03 16:22 < quanticle> Flameviper: Don't tempt fate
2008-01-03 16:22 < Cyrius> Demi: [[Image:90-91 Mitsubishi Eclipse.jpg]]
2008-01-03 16:22 < The359> "The Viper, developed in part by Chrysler's Lamborghini subsidiary in Italy, is expected to cost between $30,000 and $40,000."
2008-01-03 16:22 < The359> Haha, what the fuck were they thinking?
2008-01-03 16:22 < Flameviper> quanticle: okay ~desu
2008-01-03 16:23 < quanticle> The359: How much does a Viper cost anyway? $100,000?
2008-01-03 16:23 < The359> $80,000 give or take
2008-01-03 16:24 < The359> the reference claims they were only going to build one car for the race, but I'm fairly certain from photos I've seen that they completed at least three cars
2008-01-03 16:26 < Cyrius> The359: [[Dodge Viper]] claims there was one prototype and two pre-production models at the race
2008-01-03 16:26 < gurch> Flameviper: lol #flameviper
2008-01-03 16:26 < The359> yeah, that's what I thought
2008-01-03 16:26 < The359> they were red with simply blue lettering, and Carroll Shelby drove it
2008-01-03 16:26 < Flameviper> gurch: wut?
2008-01-03 16:29 < Phoenix-busy> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:193.120.116.178&redirect=no#January_2008 HAHA my ip was blocked
2008-01-03 16:32 < quanticle> Phoenix-busy: Are you registered?
2008-01-03 16:32 < Phoenix-busy> yeah
2008-01-03 16:32 < Phoenix-busy> Why?
2008-01-03 16:32 < Phoenix-busy> quanticle, you've seen me a million times b4
2008-01-03 16:32 < Phoenix-busy> I sit in this channel, remember?
2008-01-03 16:33 < quanticle> Right, so why are you complaining about your IP being blocked?
2008-01-03 16:33 < Phoenix-busy> Note the "HAHA" - I was laughingat it
2008-01-03 16:33 < The359> he's not complaining
2008-01-03 16:34 * quanticle smacks himself for not reading
2008-01-03 16:34 * quanticle pulls out the the Jump To Conclusions mat
2008-01-03 16:34 < Phoenix-busy> haha
2008-01-03 16:35 * Cyrius never understood how that was supposed to be used
2008-01-03 16:35 < quanticle> Cyrius: Its got conclusions that you can... jump to
2008-01-03 16:35 < TheWeasel> To our squabbling Azerbaijani friends: We're dealing with the Iowa *caucuses* here, not with the Iowa Caucasus
2008-01-03 16:35 < quanticle> Cyrius: It was supposed to be a fad toy like a pet rock if I remember correctly
2008-01-03 16:35 < The359> Fucking Caucasus!
2008-01-03 16:36 < Cyrius> quanticle: yeah, but it actually had some sort of interaction
2008-01-03 16:36 < Cyrius> I mean, do you just jump to one, or are there some sort of rules?
2008-01-03 16:36 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Wait, they thought that Caucasus == caucus?
2008-01-03 16:36 < The359> I guess you close your eyes and jump
2008-01-03 16:36 < quanticle> Cyrius: He never explained.
2008-01-03 16:36 * gwern roots for the Ron Paulities. make this election interesting!
2008-01-03 16:36 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: oh hell.
2008-01-03 16:36 < Cyrius> quanticle: which is why I didn't understand =)
2008-01-03 16:36 < quanticle> Cyrius: Blame the other characters for laughing him down
2008-01-03 16:37 * TheWeasel hopes for an upset Biden victory, but that won't go down
2008-01-03 16:37 * quanticle is already tired of campaigns and there's still 10 months left
2008-01-03 16:37 * TheWeasel is more interested in the abstract aspects
2008-01-03 16:38 < TheWeasel> like the arithmetic and strategy
2008-01-03 16:38 < gwern> biden? not a chance. he has less chance than, say, fred thompson
2008-01-03 16:38 < gwern> or the black democrat
2008-01-03 16:38 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Arithmetic?
2008-01-03 16:38 < quanticle> gwern: The black democrat, as you call him is allegedly leading
2008-01-03 16:38 < TheWeasel> Yea, I dunno, who needs what state to win the 270
2008-01-03 16:38 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Demi> TheWeasel - personally I think the horse race coverage does us a disservice
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < The359> ...
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < quanticle> TheWeasel: That's not until later. The primaries and caucuses are to decide who is the party's appointed champion
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Cyrius> Flameviper: shaddap.
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < The359> !op
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Phoenix-busy> !op
2008-01-03 16:39 < quanticle> desu?
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Phoenix-busy> Fabexplosive!
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Cometstyles> oh shut up :|
2008-01-03 16:39 < NotASpy> Flameviper: stop it.
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < NotASpy> bye
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:39 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:40 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:40 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:40 < gwern> quanticle: no, not obama
2008-01-03 16:40 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:40 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:40 < gwern> the crazy one
2008-01-03 16:40 < Flameviper> meh
2008-01-03 16:40 < Phoenix-busy> BAN HIM ALREADY!
2008-01-03 16:40 < Phoenix-busy> ah, good
2008-01-03 16:40 < TheWeasel> Demi: I agree most stridently
2008-01-03 16:40 < Cometstyles> do I have to kill Mark_Ryan to get him banned :|
2008-01-03 16:40 < gwern> besides, I wouldn't call obama black, since he's only half nigger, iirc
2008-01-03 16:40 < Demi> gwern - alan keyes
2008-01-03 16:40 < TheWeasel> I think the media's reduction two two or at most three of everything is doing an awful lot of damage
2008-01-03 16:40 < gwern> I'd call him a mutt or something
2008-01-03 16:40 < Demi> gwern - technically, half terrorist, half shine
2008-01-03 16:41 < gwern> Demi: yes, that's his name
2008-01-03 16:41 < IceKarma> Demi, "shine"?
2008-01-03 16:41 < Demi> TheWeasel - some of the polarization is due to the nature of the presidential election itself... at the end the electorate is really choosing between two candidates, whether they think they are or not.
2008-01-03 16:41 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Heh. I fully agree. Every time the media interviews a "2nd tier" candidate, there's always a condescending attitude
2008-01-03 16:42 < Demi> IceKarma - we were mocking the unthinking racism that would doom obama's campaign
2008-01-03 16:42 < Demi> or i hope that's what gwern was doing, anyway
2008-01-03 16:42 * gwern is back from vacation and is catching up with lolcats
2008-01-03 16:42 * gwern lols
2008-01-03 16:42 < TheWeasel> Yea. But here people are insulted because the media doesn't think they're intelligent enough seven or eight plans
2008-01-03 16:42 < IceKarma> Demi, yeah, but I don't have a suitable definition for "shine"
2008-01-03 16:42 < TheWeasel> I mean "in this contest"
2008-01-03 16:42 < Demi> IceKarma - oh, it's a racial slur, and a slang term for blacks
2008-01-03 16:42 < TheWeasel> *for
2008-01-03 16:42 < Demi> east coast, i think
2008-01-03 16:42 < gwern> ron paul gets it really bad though. even the ny times articles can't mask the condescencion
2008-01-03 16:43 < IceKarma> Demi, ... okay
2008-01-03 16:43 < gwern> they treat Edwards much better
2008-01-03 16:43 < TheWeasel> there's a lot of fear in the media that excessive breadth might bore people
2008-01-03 16:43 < quanticle> gwern: Edwards is an established politician. He ran for VP along with Kerry
2008-01-03 16:43 < Demi> TheWeasel - yeah
2008-01-03 16:43 < Demi> TheWeasel - are you familiar with the Columbia Journalism Review?
2008-01-03 16:44 * TheWeasel is condescending toward Ron Paul and doesn't apologize for it
2008-01-03 16:44 < quanticle> gwern: Also the media has always been uncomfortable with libertarians
2008-01-03 16:44 < TheWeasel> Demi: Nah
2008-01-03 16:44 < gwern> quanticle: he's raised buttskies, while rp has done much better financially. i'd say the latter has *at least* as good a chance
2008-01-03 16:44 * quanticle wonders about Paul's economics...
2008-01-03 16:44 < gwern> which is still very little...
2008-01-03 16:44 < Demi> I read a really super-excellent article there about "he-said/she-said" political coverage a few years back
2008-01-03 16:44 < quanticle> gwern: I agree, but, as I said before, the media has issues when covering libertarians
2008-01-03 16:45 * gwern visits freekoran.com to see if it lives up to billing
2008-01-03 16:45 < Demi> ron paul thinks people who support abortion rights are nazis
2008-01-03 16:45 < quanticle> gwern: Partially because libertarians are not afraid to be "politically incorrect"
2008-01-03 16:45 < Demi> he wants to build a moat around the u.s.
2008-01-03 16:45 < Demi> and have everyone home school their children
2008-01-03 16:45 < Demi> it's not really possible to talk about ron paul without condescension
2008-01-03 16:45 < TheWeasel> I think the media just have wrong assumption about what people want in coverage, they talk about haircuts, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
2008-01-03 16:45 * quanticle thinks moats are cool
2008-01-03 16:45 * quanticle would ride a boat in one
2008-01-03 16:45 < IceKarma> quanticle, I'm already fed up with hearing about the election, and I don't even live in the US
2008-01-03 16:46 < Demi> quanticle - only the kind with alligators
2008-01-03 16:46 < quanticle> Demi: And/or venomous snakes
2008-01-03 16:46 < Demi> TheWeasel - yes, i think that's true
2008-01-03 16:46 < quanticle> IceKarma: I really feel sorry for our southern neighbors, the Iowans
2008-01-03 16:46 < gwern> quanticle: why? they are really privileged.
2008-01-03 16:47 < gwern> you could probably quantify how many millions the caucauses are worth to them
2008-01-03 16:47 < TheWeasel> Yup
2008-01-03 16:47 < quanticle> gwern: I'd be sick of getting hammered by campaign advertising and pesteredy politicians
2008-01-03 16:47 < Rinn> VOTE FOR MASON RED!
2008-01-03 16:47 < TheWeasel> They get rich with an unprofitable ethanol scheme, because they're so important.
2008-01-03 16:47 < Demi> don't get me started on ethanol
2008-01-03 16:48 < quanticle> TheWeasel: That's true. They do decide presidents these days
2008-01-03 16:48 < gwern> In direct effects, I'd put it in the millions range, and for influence on gov.'t policy, I would be surprised if the caucauses aren't worth in the hundreds or thousands of millions a year
2008-01-03 16:48 < TheWeasel> Clinton only got 3% in Iowa.
2008-01-03 16:48 < quanticle> Demi: You mean corn ethanol
2008-01-03 16:48 < Demi> well, i mean "fuel" ethanol
2008-01-03 16:48 < IceKarma> there was a segment on local news recently about how the price of beer will be going up because farmers are switching from hops to corn, which drives the price of hops up
2008-01-03 16:48 < TheWeasel> quanticle: Don't get him started
2008-01-03 16:48 < quanticle> Demi: Ethanol can be made efficently from sugarcane. The Brazilians do it...
2008-01-03 16:48 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Too late...
2008-01-03 16:48 < IceKarma> some brewers are complaining of as much as a 30% rise in the price of raw materials
2008-01-03 16:49 < quanticle> IceKarma: People are converting from hops to corn
2008-01-03 16:49 < Demi> quanticle - brewing ethanol makes no sense when you can burn plant oil
2008-01-03 16:49 < IceKarma> quanticle, er, I said that. ;)
2008-01-03 16:49 < Demi> no matter what, you need to distill it, a huge input of heat and energy
2008-01-03 16:50 < IceKarma> Demi, oh, like canola oil?
2008-01-03 16:50 < Demi> sugarcane ethanol is supposed to be used for rum, anyway
2008-01-03 16:50 < quanticle> Demi: Plant oils only work in diesel engines though...
2008-01-03 16:50 < Demi> IceKarma - or soybeans or whatever's most efficient
2008-01-03 16:50 < Demi> quanticle - and?
2008-01-03 16:50 < quanticle> Demi: Diesels are a small minority of the car population here
2008-01-03 16:50 < Demi> ethanol only works in alcohol burning engines, except in mixture
2008-01-03 16:51 < IceKarma> in New Zealand, diesel cars are fairly commonplace, diesel costing half what petrol does
2008-01-03 16:51 < IceKarma> LPG and CNG, too.
2008-01-03 16:51 < quanticle> Demi: Ethanol can be mixed with gasoline, plant oils cannot
2008-01-03 16:51 < Demi> quanticle - yes, but so what?
2008-01-03 16:51 < quanticle> IceKarma: Really? Diesel costs more than gas where I live
2008-01-03 16:51 < quanticle> IceKarma: The truckers are angry because of it
2008-01-03 16:51 < IceKarma> quanticle, here in BC, it's only slightly cheaper than gas
2008-01-03 16:52 < zocky> BC quest for cheap diesel
2008-01-03 16:52 < quanticle> Demi: Backwards compatibility
2008-01-03 16:52 < IceKarma> I have no idea what diesel costs in Europe, but I know Europeans who drive diesel cars not necessarily because of the price, but because of the superior lowend acceleration
2008-01-03 16:52 * IceKarma waits for the gearheads to jump on her for having misspoke or something.
2008-01-03 16:53 < quanticle> IceKarma: Diesel engines get better fuel economy, so the price might work out
2008-01-03 16:53 < zocky> diesel used to be quite cheaper than gas in europe, but not any more
2008-01-03 16:53 < IceKarma> zocky, how recent a change?