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2008-01-03 08:56 < NotACow> the thing is, the fake sudafed doesn't work
2008-01-03 08:57 < bumm13> "anticipating" crime makes for bad laws
2008-01-03 08:57 < mavhk> hey, if people weren't stupid they wouldn't have to ban things
2008-01-03 08:57 < NotACow> so every so often i have to go down to the drugstore and put my name on the "druggie register" so i can get drugs so my housemates can not have sinus colds.
2008-01-03 08:57 < bumm13> people don't make methamphetine *because* they're stupid
2008-01-03 08:57 < bumm13> they make it to get high and sell for profit
2008-01-03 08:57 < TheWeasel> Well, "anticipating" in the sense of "let's ban all stages that are useful for committing that crime"
2008-01-03 08:57 < Submarine> there is something funny with these alcohol laws
2008-01-03 08:58 < mavhk> bumm13: they consume it because they're stupid
2008-01-03 08:58 < TheWeasel> also, symbolic laws
2008-01-03 08:58 < bumm13> TheWeasel: yeah
2008-01-03 08:58 < Submarine> because of them, there's a whole dramatization for binge drinking
2008-01-03 08:58 < TheWeasel> with which legislators just try to make themselves look tough
2008-01-03 08:58 < bumm13> mavhk: more stupid than Hollywood actors who easily get away with snorting cocaine?
2008-01-03 08:58 < Submarine> since youngsters envy elders for being able to drink, they abuse each opportunity for drinking
2008-01-03 08:58 < TheWeasel> like the abysmally stupid three-strikes laws
2008-01-03 08:58 < Submarine> plus, this has started a whole cottage industry of fake IDs
2008-01-03 08:58 < mavhk> yes, because they're not rich
2008-01-03 08:58 < mavhk> if you're going to take drugs don't be poor
2008-01-03 08:59 < bumm13> mavhk: yeah, that's completely sensible logic ;p
2008-01-03 08:59 < zocky> ah, we have stupid new alcohol laws too
2008-01-03 08:59 < zocky> the drinking age is now 18, and you can't buy alcohol in shops after 9 pm
2008-01-03 08:59 * TheWeasel gets the feeling that some laws are just designed to make the criminal hang himself after he gets out of prison
2008-01-03 08:59 < TheWeasel> "so we don't have to"
2008-01-03 08:59 < zocky> which means that now kids drink in parks instead of bars
2008-01-03 08:59 < mavhk> it's just the same as "if you want to drive expensive cars dangerously don't be poor"
2008-01-03 08:59 < blonde-cat> TheWeasel: what is the urge to kill fat people called?
2008-01-03 09:00 < TheWeasel> Wobbly panic?
2008-01-03 09:00 < TheWeasel> I dunno
2008-01-03 09:00 < Submarine> zocky, Similar problem in France: people largely no longer get drunk in bars, they just buy booze from the supermarket and drink at home.
2008-01-03 09:00 < bumm13> nothing like enforcing a de facto caste system....
2008-01-03 09:00 < Submarine> or in the street
2008-01-03 09:00 < TheWeasel> eh yea
2008-01-03 09:00 < zocky> Submarine, yeah, thereby drinking much more than they would have otherwise
2008-01-03 09:00 < NotACow> I AM NOT A WEEBLE
2008-01-03 09:00 < mavhk> so all the people who got drunk were 16-18
2008-01-03 09:00 < TheWeasel> Whoit loightnin', init!
2008-01-03 09:01 * lc2 skips in
2008-01-03 09:01 < mavhk> the solution is simple, just kill all the stupid people
2008-01-03 09:01 < TheWeasel> and Stella Artois
2008-01-03 09:01 < NotACow> lc2: are you a weeble?
2008-01-03 09:01 < bumm13> they probably want to ban smoking just to help increase pharmaceutical sales (patches, nicotine gum, etc.)
2008-01-03 09:01 < lc2> NotACow: hm
2008-01-03 09:01 * lc2 checks
2008-01-03 09:01 < NotACow> isn't stella artois a type of cheese?
2008-01-03 09:01 < lc2> no, i don't think i am
2008-01-03 09:01 < bumm13> because pharmaceutical companies are "the good guys" ;p
2008-01-03 09:01 < zocky> NotACow, no :)
2008-01-03 09:01 < lc2> NotACow: it's a beer
2008-01-03 09:01 < lc2> a crappy beer
2008-01-03 09:01 < NotACow> oh, right
2008-01-03 09:01 < Submarine> NotACow, Stella is a brand of beers
2008-01-03 09:01 < mavhk> solves many problems: overpopulation, global warming, lack of food, having to live in dangerous places, too many laws to prevent stupid people doing things....
2008-01-03 09:01 < TheWeasel> Popular with binge drinking kids in the UK
2008-01-03 09:01 < NotACow> cheese, beer, same thing
2008-01-03 09:01 < lc2> TheWeasel: and chavs
2008-01-03 09:01 < lc2> and the homeless
2008-01-03 09:02 < NotACow> homeless chavs
2008-01-03 09:02 < TheWeasel> lc2: I counted them among there
2008-01-03 09:02 < bumm13> mavhk: are you an objectivist, per chance?
2008-01-03 09:02 < lc2> and binge-drinking homeless chav youths
2008-01-03 09:02 < TheWeasel> Chavs can't afford bling if they're homeless
2008-01-03 09:02 < NotACow> homeless bling
2008-01-03 09:02 < zocky> blingless hobo chavs
2008-01-03 09:02 < NotACow> GIVE THE POOR BLING A HOME! CALL NOW!
2008-01-03 09:02 < TheWeasel> and pimpin their Vauxhall Corsa init
2008-01-03 09:02 < mavhk> bumm13: no idea
2008-01-03 09:02 < zocky> hahaha
2008-01-03 09:03 < bumm13> mavhc: no idea.....so you admit to being "stupid" then? ;)
2008-01-03 09:03 < NotACow> ONLY PENNIES A DAY CAN SAVE THIS BLING FROM THE HORROR OF HOMELESSNESS!
2008-01-03 09:03 < mavhk> kill me now
2008-01-03 09:03 < bumm13> your presence helps overpopulate the planet!!!!!
2008-01-03 09:03 < bumm13> ;p
2008-01-03 09:03 < TheWeasel> not to forget the White Lightning brand of industry cider.
2008-01-03 09:03 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-01-03 09:04 < NotACow> mooever
2008-01-03 09:04 < mavhk> which one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivist
2008-01-03 09:04 * blonde-cat cuddles Fabexplosive
2008-01-03 09:04 < Fabexplosive> ooh, a blonde cat
2008-01-03 09:04 < Fabexplosive> hey :D
2008-01-03 09:04 < NotACow> bleached cat!
2008-01-03 09:04 < TheWeasel> Ayn Rand says I can kill you cause I don't feel good having people a square mile around me.
2008-01-03 09:04 < blonde-cat> how are ya?
2008-01-03 09:05 < zocky> I use objective discussion and blunt objects to object to objectivism
2008-01-03 09:05 < TheWeasel> and what makes me feel bad must go
2008-01-03 09:05 < NotACow> objectivism is a moral philosophy for people who want an excuse to do whatever the fuck they want
2008-01-03 09:05 < Fabexplosive> lol
2008-01-03 09:05 < blonde-cat> does anyone know where I can find html code for a "contact us" form
2008-01-03 09:05 < zocky> NotACow, psychopath-wannabes
2008-01-03 09:05 < Fabexplosive> NotACow: treated with hydrogen peroxide? :D
2008-01-03 09:06 * TheWeasel once wrote "seek an excuse for being an asshole"
2008-01-03 09:06 < mavhk> there's a reason not to say "yes" then
2008-01-03 09:06 < TheWeasel> and libertarians are conservatives who want to get chicks
2008-01-03 09:06 < mavhk> "Objectivism, or metaphysical objectivism, is the view that there is a reality or realm of objects and facts existing wholly independent of the mind" - yes
2008-01-03 09:06 < lc2> TheWeasel: heh
2008-01-03 09:06 < NotACow> the two tenets of objectivism:
2008-01-03 09:06 < NotACow> 1) I can do whatever I want.
2008-01-03 09:06 < NotACow> 2) You have no right to stop me.
2008-01-03 09:06 * blonde-cat sedates TheWeasel, takes off his clothes and takes him to work naked
2008-01-03 09:06 < TheWeasel> I do
2008-01-03 09:06 * blonde-cat waits for TheWeasel to wake
2008-01-03 09:06 < TheWeasel> because I too can do whatever I want
2008-01-03 09:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: no, you can't.
2008-01-03 09:07 < mavhk> someone overloaded the word it seems
2008-01-03 09:07 < TheWeasel> it's a free-for-all
2008-01-03 09:07 < mavhk> lame english users, 1 word for 1 thing, it's not a difficult rule
2008-01-03 09:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: by trying to stop me you are taking away my right of self-determination.
2008-01-03 09:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: therefore you may not do so.
2008-01-03 09:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: stop harshing my buzz
2008-01-03 09:07 < TheWeasel> What about mine?
2008-01-03 09:07 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 09:07 < zocky> mavhk, english users with one shorter leg?
2008-01-03 09:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: you don't have one.
2008-01-03 09:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: because you're not me.
2008-01-03 09:07 < TheWeasel> you have personal ethix?
2008-01-03 09:07 < TheWeasel> Fun.
2008-01-03 09:08 < NotACow> objectivism is inherently solipist.
2008-01-03 09:08 < NotACow> or however that word is spelled.
2008-01-03 09:08 < zocky> solipsist
2008-01-03 09:08 < Kieff> solipsists of the world, unite!
2008-01-03 09:08 < NotACow> zocky: tank yoo
2008-01-03 09:08 < TheWeasel> well, the idea is "there is no ethics beyond 'good is whatever helps me thrive'"
2008-01-03 09:09 < mavhk> I am thinking, therefore I exist
2008-01-03 09:09 < NotACow> TheWeasel: objectivism is inherently a "me-centered" philosophy
2008-01-03 09:09 < TheWeasel> So Descartes sits in a bar
2008-01-03 09:09 < mavhk> I'd rather the human race thrives
2008-01-03 09:09 < zocky> TheWeasel, it's just "humand nature is completely malleable" taken to extreme
2008-01-03 09:09 < TheWeasel> and the bartender says "will you have another drink?"
2008-01-03 09:10 < TheWeasel> and he says "I think not" and disappears
2008-01-03 09:10 < NotACow> TheWeasel: that is such a logical fallacy
2008-01-03 09:10 * TheWeasel by no means endorses it
2008-01-03 09:10 < zocky> TheWeasel, haha, that's such a cheap joke :)
2008-01-03 09:10 < mavhk> how did he know he had a first drink?
2008-01-03 09:10 < NotACow> the good of the me outweighs the good of the many.
2008-01-03 09:10 < TheWeasel> nor do I think it is "correct", like Leninism in the SU or something
2008-01-03 09:10 < lc2> TheWeasel: hahaha
2008-01-03 09:11 < mavhk> so, scientific objectivism good, moral objectivism bad?
2008-01-03 09:11 < TheWeasel> To me, it's an ersatz religion for navel-gazers
2008-01-03 09:11 * NotACow suspects that many of wikipedia's problems stem from its philosophical groundings in objectivism
2008-01-03 09:11 * Cyrius suspects that most of Wikipedia's problems stem from its users inability to chill.
2008-01-03 09:12 * TheWeasel has very practical reasons to reject "caring for others is evil" as a philosophy
2008-01-03 09:12 < mavhk> on the other hand there is a self centered reason to be nice to other people, you'll win overall
2008-01-03 09:12 < mavhk> if you go around killing people you're more likely to die
2008-01-03 09:12 < NotACow> mavhk: "enlightened self-interest"
2008-01-03 09:12 < TheWeasel> and "what is in it for me?" as a test for helping people
2008-01-03 09:12 < TheWeasel> I think Wikipedia is the most thankless enterprise ever
2008-01-03 09:12 < TheWeasel> and I'm still in it
2008-01-03 09:13 < NotACow> TheWeasel: ironically very few wikipedians actually stop to think about why other wikipedians edit.
2008-01-03 09:13 < TheWeasel> it's a blind bandwagon?
2008-01-03 09:13 < mavhk> NotACow: yes
2008-01-03 09:13 < NotACow> TheWeasel: i think a lot of wikipedians don't even think about why THEY edit
2008-01-03 09:13 < mavhk> because the cost/benefit ratio is in their favour
2008-01-03 09:14 * TheWeasel got hooked because I saw it as an alternative to capitalist models, I'm afraid
2008-01-03 09:14 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 09:14 < TheWeasel> That's how I was
2008-01-03 09:14 < zocky> immediate motives != ulterior motives
2008-01-03 09:14 < zocky> everybody does everything because it makes their genes more likely to make copies
2008-01-03 09:14 < zocky> but that's not what motivates people to do stuff
2008-01-03 09:15 < TheWeasel> I'm sure we have impotent editors
2008-01-03 09:15 < mavhk> all religion can be seen as tricking people into behaving like they have enlightened self-interest, because they're too stupid to work it out themselves
2008-01-03 09:15 < TheWeasel> I agree that biology is secondary in humans
2008-01-03 09:15 < TheWeasel> that's why the Darwinist models failed in sociology
2008-01-03 09:15 < zocky> it's not secondary at all
2008-01-03 09:15 < TheWeasel> Humans just work differently
2008-01-03 09:16 < mavhk> you can't work backwards from the individual action to a biological reason
2008-01-03 09:16 < zocky> it's just that confusing the gene's motives with a person's motives is a logical error
2008-01-03 09:16 < TheWeasel> Well, primary, but temporarily suppressable
2008-01-03 09:16 * Aqwis edits WP because of Wikipedia:MMORPG
2008-01-03 09:17 < zocky> people love their children because that's evolutionary opportune
2008-01-03 09:17 < zocky> but they care for their children because they love them
2008-01-03 09:17 < TheWeasel> Mind you, much of what was sold as social Darwinism in the 20th century was scientifically simply false
2008-01-03 09:17 < TheWeasel> so yea
2008-01-03 09:17 < zocky> and continue to do so when it's not evolutionary opportune
2008-01-03 09:17 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-01-03 09:18 < TheWeasel> so biology *can* be beaten
2008-01-03 09:18 < Viele-baeren> hi everyone
2008-01-03 09:18 < zocky> no, it's just a different level of things
2008-01-03 09:18 < TheWeasel> hi Many-Bears.
2008-01-03 09:18 < TheWeasel> so you think it's just "telling evolution how to improve"?
2008-01-03 09:18 < zocky> genes make you the way you are because that's a good thing for them
2008-01-03 09:18 < TheWeasel> because evolution itself is not optimal?
2008-01-03 09:19 < zocky> but you don't behave the way you behave because it's good for your genes
2008-01-03 09:19 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-01-03 09:19 < zocky> you do that because the way you're made makes you want to do that
2008-01-03 09:19 < zocky> without caring or even knowing about the genes' motives
2008-01-03 09:19 < zocky> to cut it short: selfish genes can make generous people
2008-01-03 09:20 < Cyrius> my genes are screwed no matter what I do
2008-01-03 09:20 < TheWeasel> but then they're still really inseparable in the end
2008-01-03 09:20 < TheWeasel> because all you introduce is a middleman that transposes biology to sociology, but it doesn't manipulate the outcome at all
2008-01-03 09:21 < zocky> no more than genes are inseparable from quarks or from gravity
2008-01-03 09:21 < mavhk> the genes don't care how the being behaves
2008-01-03 09:21 < zocky> the genes don't have the capacity to literally care
2008-01-03 09:21 < bishonen> zocky, changing the subject briefly, do you know where the article contribution counter is?
2008-01-03 09:21 < mavhk> if going around stabbing people leads to more genes then stabbing people would be popular
2008-01-03 09:22 < TheWeasel> and still people do it
2008-01-03 09:22 < zocky> bishonen, the one that shows separate contribs for each namespace?
2008-01-03 09:22 < TheWeasel> even though it's anti-gene. Don't their genes "get it"?
2008-01-03 09:22 < TheWeasel> or have they just failed?
2008-01-03 09:22 < bishonen> that sounds like the user contribution counter
2008-01-03 09:22 < bishonen> i mean the counter for an individual article
2008-01-03 09:23 < TheWeasel> Genes are bad at micro-management I guess
2008-01-03 09:23 < TheWeasel> just set parameters
2008-01-03 09:23 < zocky> bishonen, http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Zocky&site=en.wikipedia.org&enwiki_p
2008-01-03 09:23 < zocky> bishonen, I'm not sure it works atm
2008-01-03 09:23 < Aqwis> that's user contrib counter
2008-01-03 09:23 < Aqwis> there's a counter which counts how many edits each user has done to an article
2008-01-03 09:23 < zocky> bishonen, ah, it does but takes a long time
2008-01-03 09:23 < Aqwis> i have it somewhere in my favourites
2008-01-03 09:23 < bishonen> Aqwis: exactly
2008-01-03 09:23 < Aqwis> but that lists' so long that i really need a list of favourite favorites
2008-01-03 09:24 < zocky> bishonen, ah, I don't know that one
2008-01-03 09:24 < Aqwis> *list's
2008-01-03 09:24 < bishonen> actually i have a link that's supposed to be for it, but only get a page that says I'm "forbidden" from using it!
2008-01-03 09:24 < Aqwis> hah
2008-01-03 09:25 < mavhk> TheWeasel: indeed, they just start 10000 companies and see which survive
2008-01-03 09:25 < bishonen> Aqwis: this is it. for a particular article. but I don't know how to change it to be general. http://tools.wikimedia.de/~tim/counter/?page=S.+A.+Andr%C3%A9e%27s+Arctic+balloon+expedition+of+1897&hide_minor=on
2008-01-03 09:26 < TheWeasel> but don't analyze why, do they
2008-01-03 09:26 < bishonen> why would i be forbidden...?
2008-01-03 09:26 < Aqwis> i get forbidden too
2008-01-03 09:26 < Aqwis> probably permission issues
2008-01-03 09:26 < TheWeasel> because there are nagging outside influences
2008-01-03 09:26 < bishonen> :-(
2008-01-03 09:26 < TheWeasel> that could "spoil" the result
2008-01-03 09:27 < bishonen> it used to work
2008-01-03 09:29 < bishonen> oh well. thanks for trying, guys.
2008-01-03 09:34 < NotACow> whee
2008-01-03 09:34 < TheWeasel> auprès de mon arbre je vivais heureuxxxxxx
2008-01-03 09:34 < NotACow> my son just snatched a glass off of the desk and smashed it to bits
2008-01-03 09:34 < TheWeasel> j'aurais jamais dû m'loigner de mon arrrrbre
2008-01-03 09:35 < bishonen> TheWeasel: j'ai assassiné mon oncle aujourd'hui dans le jardin
2008-01-03 09:35 < TheWeasel> Je vous arrête au nom de la loi.
2008-01-03 09:35 < bishonen> TheWeasel: fort bien.
2008-01-03 09:35 < TheWeasel> nespa
2008-01-03 09:36 < bishonen> lol
2008-01-03 09:36 < TheWeasel> "my genes made me do it!"
2008-01-03 09:36 < TheWeasel> Specifically, my brothers, Gene and Gene II.
2008-01-03 09:36 < bishonen> my genes which i share with my uncle.
2008-01-03 09:37 < bumm13> hiya bishonen :D
2008-01-03 09:37 < bishonen> hello you bum
2008-01-03 09:39 < TheWeasel> hehe "Yakov Zak"
2008-01-03 09:39 < TheWeasel> Jack Sack!
2008-01-03 09:40 < TheWeasel> Zak in Russian transliteration is the exact pronounciation of the German word for "sack"
2008-01-03 09:40 < TheWeasel> (which unsurprisingly is "Sack")
2008-01-03 09:43 < TheWeasel> whoa
2008-01-03 09:43 * TheWeasel 's opponent overlooked a mate in three in a game I managed to draw eventually
2008-01-03 09:43 < TheWeasel> would have had to sac a knight, but it was doable
2008-01-03 09:47 < bumm13> zomg chess!
2008-01-03 09:48 < nazgjunk> I actually won a game recently
2008-01-03 09:48 < nazgjunk> rarely happens
2008-01-03 09:48 < nazgjunk> never mind that it was a 10 year old boy
2008-01-03 09:48 < nazgjunk> who was nonetheless better than i'd expected
2008-01-03 09:48 * TheWeasel is terrible in blitz games generally
2008-01-03 09:49 < TheWeasel> I'm indecisive to an extreme
2008-01-03 09:49 < nazgjunk> oh i can't play with a clock at all
2008-01-03 09:49 < TheWeasel> the few times I played competitively I kept forgetting to push the clock
2008-01-03 09:49 < TheWeasel> so they calculated on my time a lot
2008-01-03 09:52 * bumm13 sux0rs at chess :-(
2008-01-03 09:52 < TheWeasel> heh, Fritz can play tournament games in the old, grand style
2008-01-03 09:52 < TheWeasel> two hours each for 40 moves, then an hour for 20, then 30 mins for the rest
2008-01-03 09:52 * blonde-cat cuddles bumm13 and TheWeasel and Fabexplosive
2008-01-03 09:52 < blonde-cat> cya'll
2008-01-03 09:52 < blonde-cat> x
2008-01-03 09:52 < TheWeasel> bye
2008-01-03 09:53 < blonde-cat> outch
2008-01-03 09:53 < blonde-cat> cya
2008-01-03 09:53 * Fabexplosive is cuddles
2008-01-03 09:53 < Fabexplosive> *is cuddled
2008-01-03 09:54 < bumm13> hiya Fabexplosive
2008-01-03 09:55 * TheWeasel loves analog chess clocks
2008-01-03 09:55 < NotACow> tick tock tick tock
2008-01-03 09:55 < TheWeasel> you can really slap it in blitz games
2008-01-03 09:55 < TheWeasel> WHAM!
2008-01-03 09:55 < TheWeasel> Some people are intimidated enough just by that
2008-01-03 09:58 < Leslie_S> oh god.
2008-01-03 09:58 < Leslie_S> i have to file an FAFSA
2008-01-03 09:58 < Leslie_S> most evil paperwork EVER :(
2008-01-03 09:58 < Leslie_S> and i have to file my taxes first, which are almost as evil
2008-01-03 09:58 < Leslie_S> :P
2008-01-03 10:06 < TheWeasel> death to incoming taxis
2008-01-03 10:06 < TheWeasel> Err
2008-01-03 10:06 < TheWeasel> Income taxes
2008-01-03 10:10 < TheWeasel> Read Shakira's hips (they're more reliable, you know), no new taxis.
2008-01-03 10:18 * TheWeasel is off to write "an meinem Boche"
2008-01-03 10:19 < TheWeasel> not the French "boche"
2008-01-03 10:19 < TheWeasel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_used_for_Germans
2008-01-03 10:19 < TheWeasel> AAH!
2008-01-03 10:20 < TheWeasel> I'm sure this article would be greatly improved by taking away the tags
2008-01-03 10:22 < TheWeasel> yay for some people misunderstanding the concept of "given names come last" that is present in Hungarian
2008-01-03 10:22 < TheWeasel> (and Chinese, but that's a special case)
2008-01-03 10:24 * bumm13 wonders how similar traditional chess is to xiongqi
2008-01-03 10:25 < nazgjunk_> haha
2008-01-03 10:25 < nazgjunk_> kraut is offensive, but nazi is descriptive
2008-01-03 10:25 < Becca> heh
2008-01-03 10:25 < nazgjunk_> right
2008-01-03 10:25 < TheWeasel> Chess is by far the best chess variant I've come across.
2008-01-03 10:25 < Becca> i was just playing chess for the first time in years
2008-01-03 10:26 < Becca> theweasel: lol
2008-01-03 10:27 < TheWeasel> heh, yea, Nazi was deliberately offensive, but in that offensiveness didn't actually refer to Germans as a whole
2008-01-03 10:27 < TheWeasel> Nazism was to be defeated, not Germans
2008-01-03 10:28 < TheWeasel> and in that smaller definition, it was indeed descriptive but doesn't belong in the article.
2008-01-03 10:32 < TheWeasel> It didn't, for instance, apply to German Jews.
2008-01-03 10:39 < TheWeasel> did we have any troubles from the Edwards pic earlier?
2008-01-03 10:41 * TheWeasel is off to see if CP reacted to it
2008-01-03 10:41 < TheWeasel> Answer is no.
2008-01-03 10:43 < TheWeasel> Lack of instinct there
2008-01-03 10:44 < TheWeasel> Seriously, when things go partisan, this mustn't happen
2008-01-03 10:48 < TheWeasel> "Helmut, pl. Helmuty"
2008-01-03 10:48 < TheWeasel> that's great
2008-01-03 10:49 < haza-w> ...
2008-01-03 10:49 < TheWeasel> ....
2008-01-03 10:49 < TheWeasel> I win.
2008-01-03 10:57 < MessedRocker> I connected!!!
2008-01-03 10:57 < LawrenceWCohen> hurray?
2008-01-03 10:57 < MessedRocker> I am connecting from a place
2008-01-03 10:58 < MessedRocker> with really poor cell signal
2008-01-03 10:58 < LawrenceWCohen> IRC over your cellular? I can't stand wap pages over cellular, let alone this
2008-01-03 10:58 < bumm13> hiya MessedRocker
2008-01-03 10:59 < bumm13> on the road? ;)
2008-01-03 11:01 < thedj> wow, BCB tagged 12000 fair use images yesterday...
2008-01-03 11:05 < MessediPhone> damn lack of signal
2008-01-03 11:07 < MessediPhone> channel dead?
2008-01-03 11:07 < Kieff> MessediPhone: no
2008-01-03 11:07 < Kieff> well
2008-01-03 11:07 < Kieff> yeah, I guess
2008-01-03 11:07 < Kieff> but I'm alive!
2008-01-03 11:07 < MessediPhone> we
2008-01-03 11:07 < MessediPhone> me too
2008-01-03 11:08 < MessediPhone> two. bars
2008-01-03 11:09 < seanw> lo MessediPhone.
2008-01-03 11:09 < Randomtime> anyone on?
2008-01-03 11:09 < MessediPhone> hi whitton
2008-01-03 11:10 < bumm13> thedj: yeah, and it's a heaping pile of shit
2008-01-03 11:10 < TheWeasel> "heaping"?
2008-01-03 11:10 < TheWeasel> what business do piles have heaping?
2008-01-03 11:10 < MessediPhone> what is
2008-01-03 11:10 < bumm13> just a silly emphasis word :P
2008-01-03 11:10 < CivilService_> having a heaping helping of hospitality, duh!
2008-01-03 11:11 < MessediPhone> moo
2008-01-03 11:12 < TheWeasel> c'est fabuleux
2008-01-03 11:12 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-01-03 11:13 < quanticle|away> CivilService_: An amazing amount about alliteration?
2008-01-03 11:13 < seanw> MessediPhone, bah that is rude!
2008-01-03 11:13 < CivilService_> it's all about a man named JED.
2008-01-03 11:13 < quanticle|away> CivilService_: Who barely kept his family FED.
2008-01-03 11:14 < MessediPhone> tell that to Kelly
2008-01-03 11:14 < quanticle> MessediPhone: Who?
2008-01-03 11:15 < CivilService_> Kelly Martin.
2008-01-03 11:15 < TheWeasel> any attempts at allocating anti-alliterative ambitions are aren't at all acceptable
2008-01-03 11:17 < MessedRocker> bam
2008-01-03 11:18 < MessedRocker> channel die again?
2008-01-03 11:21 < JWSchmidt> hi MessedRocker
2008-01-03 11:21 * TheWeasel injects adrenaline
2008-01-03 11:22 < bumm13> epinephrine! :)
2008-01-03 11:23 < TheWeasel> "the whole kidney-stuff"?
2008-01-03 11:23 < bumm13> uh, sure :)
2008-01-03 11:24 < TheWeasel> oh
2008-01-03 11:24 < TheWeasel> "on top of the kidney"
2008-01-03 11:25 * TheWeasel confused epi- and pan- there
2008-01-03 11:27 < Leslie_SSS> An object smaller than its Schwarzschild radius is called a black hole.
2008-01-03 11:27 < Leslie_SSS> ROFL
2008-01-03 11:29 < CivilService_> yeah, you can edit that, I give you my permission.
2008-01-03 11:30 * TheWeasel has no idea how big his Schwarzschild radius is
2008-01-03 11:30 < quanticle> Leslie_SSS: Is that from [[Black_Hole]]
2008-01-03 11:30 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Its quite small, unless you're a black hole
2008-01-03 11:30 < Leslie_SSS> quanticle, its from [[schwarzschild radius]]
2008-01-03 11:30 < TheWeasel> See
2008-01-03 11:31 < TheWeasel> I'm probably not a Black Hole then
2008-01-03 11:34 < Leslie_SSS> WTF
2008-01-03 11:34 < TheWeasel> Eh, I can send messages from here
2008-01-03 11:34 < Drunken_Idiot> Hi
2008-01-03 11:35 < Leslie_SSS> on [[schwarzschild radius]], under "see also", under "a classification of black holes by mass", it shows "# visible universe, if its density is the critical density"
2008-01-03 11:35 < Leslie_SSS> wtf
2008-01-03 11:35 < TheWeasel> I hear data connections are pretty lousy behind the event horizon
2008-01-03 11:35 < Kieff> you can be a black hole, for sufficiently small values of c
2008-01-03 11:36 < TheWeasel> that sounds like a housewife encouragement film "yes, you too can be a black hole, if you lower c enough"
2008-01-03 11:38 < Kieff> heh
2008-01-03 11:39 < TheWeasel> then again, slowing down light and attending to, say, your hair at the same time was too much even in the 50s
2008-01-03 11:40 < CivilService_> was c supposed to be smaller or somethin during inflation?
2008-01-03 11:40 * TheWeasel gets the feeling that Black Hole got de-featured as it became longer
2008-01-03 11:48 < quanticle> Leslie_SSS: So we all could be living inside a Black Hole?
2008-01-03 11:52 * TheWeasel always thought the Yellow Submarine Theory was still prevalent
2008-01-03 12:13 < Drunken_Idiot> HI Demi HUgs
2008-01-03 12:15 < Demi> hello all
2008-01-03 13:18 < xp_prg> hi all, I am new to wikipedia and wikimedia, is anyone here knowledgable about wikimedia?
2008-01-03 13:18 < Fabexplosive> xp_prg: for what?
2008-01-03 13:19 < lc2> xp_prg: yes
2008-01-03 13:19 < xp_prg> well, I hate to say it but I am just trying to get an understanding of the difference between wikipedia and wikimedia, as far as I can tell wikimedia is not just static text as wikipedia is, is that correct?
2008-01-03 13:19 < xp_prg> if so that is exciting to me
2008-01-03 13:20 < Demi> wikimedia is the overall name of all the projects, like wikipedia, wiktionary, wikispecies, wikiquote, etc.
2008-01-03 13:20 < Demi> thus, the wikimedia foundation
2008-01-03 13:20 < Demi> wikipedia, like all the projects, is based on openly editable, free information
2008-01-03 13:20 < xp_prg> oh darn, I wish there was a place devoted to those submissions with video/sound for explanation of advanced concepts, oh well
2008-01-03 13:21 < Demi> xp_prg - what do you mean?
2008-01-03 13:21 < Common_Lisp_> touche;
2008-01-03 13:21 < Demi> if you want a place to put free media like video, sound and pictures, there is commons.wikimedia.org for that
2008-01-03 13:23 < xp_prg> Demi well, like, lets say I want to search for submissions of a concept I am trying to learn that have video and sound, that is not easy to do in wikipedia currently right?
2008-01-03 13:25 < Common_Lisp_> it's not easy to do anywhere right now other than based on (simple) text properties of the title.
2008-01-03 13:25 < xp_prg> do you see why I think that would be cool?
2008-01-03 13:25 < Demi> yeah, not really
2008-01-03 13:25 < Demi> sure
2008-01-03 13:25 < Demi> wikipedia search could be a lot better
2008-01-03 13:25 < Elspamo> Heil....HeilHitlerHe.. #In Memory of Adolf Hitler# ..Heil....HeilHitlerHe
2008-01-03 13:25 < Elspamo> Heil....ilHitlerHeil.... We will always remember ....Heil....ilHitlerHeil
2008-01-03 13:25 < Elspamo> Heil....Heil............. and cherish you. Your .....Heil....Heil........
2008-01-03 13:25 < Elspamo> Heil....Heil............. acts of selflessness ......Heil....Heil........
2008-01-03 13:25 < Elspamo> Heil....Heil........... will be passed down from ....Heil....Heil........
2008-01-03 13:25 < Common_Lisp_> (or *maybe* surrounding text)
2008-01-03 13:26 < Common_Lisp_> FrancoGG: are you a bot?
2008-01-03 13:26 < FrancoGG> no, a human
2008-01-03 13:26 < uberpenguin> the really sad thing is that right now, with current technology, we're totally capable of becoming pretty much future-proof and sustainable
2008-01-03 13:26 < uberpenguin> blahhh hello wrong window
2008-01-03 13:26 < Common_Lisp_> ah, sorry, that was just so quick.
2008-01-03 13:27 < FrancoGG> I was watching him, that's why :)
2008-01-03 13:28 < Demi> is "future-proof" another way of saying dead?
2008-01-03 13:28 * xp_prg wishes he could fine an audio book on algorithms and data structures or a video on it etc..., can't seem to find any!! :(
2008-01-03 13:29 * xp_prg enjoys passive learning
2008-01-03 13:29 < Demi> when i wish for stuff i usually set my sights a little higher
2008-01-03 14:16 < Leslie_SSS> lol, my direct deposit looks funny
2008-01-03 14:16 < Leslie_SSS> WAL-MART ASSOCS. PAYROLL
2008-01-03 14:28 < Dave_is_sexy> Hi everyone. If a page re-directs to another page, but the first page's title is splet wrongly, what can be done? The re-direct appears at the top of the final destination page and is wrong. Thanks
2008-01-03 14:28 < lc2> Dave_is_sexy: link plox
2008-01-03 14:29 < lc2> Dave_is_sexy: you mean the redirect was spelled wrong?
2008-01-03 14:29 < Demi> Dave_is_sexy - someone might have put it in on purpose to catch alternate spellings; is it really wrong? then it should be deleted at [[WP:RFD]]
2008-01-03 14:29 < lc2> yeah, what Demi said
2008-01-03 14:29 < Dave_is_sexy> thepage which re-directs is spelt wrong
2008-01-03 14:30 < lc2> Dave_is_sexy: redirects from mis-spellings are acceptable
2008-01-03 14:30 < Dave_is_sexy> Demi: No, it's really wrong. Missing capital letter and it's a name
2008-01-03 14:31 < Demi> Dave_is_sexy - there's a page for deleting erroneous redirects
2008-01-03 14:31 < bumm13> 7777777777777=5re4gh/]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]4=]\33333354rttto0
2008-01-03 14:31 < Dave_is_sexy> but because the page already re-directs i can't use the 'move' option because I don't want to create a 3rd article. More importantly the re-direct would break
2008-01-03 14:31 * Demi offers bumm13's cat some treats to get off the keyboard
2008-01-03 14:32 < bumm13> \]}]]]]]]];p
2008-01-03 14:32 < Dave_is_sexy> Demi: Where is that page?
2008-01-03 14:32 < lc2> Dave_is_sexy: tag the redirect with {{R_from_misspelling}}
2008-01-03 14:32 < lc2> -_
2008-01-03 14:32 < Demi> Dave_is_sexy - [[WP:RFD]]
2008-01-03 14:32 < lc2> Demi: no
2008-01-03 14:32 < lc2> redirects from misspellings are acceptable
2008-01-03 14:33 < Demi> lc2 - it depends
2008-01-03 14:33 < lc2> Demi: hokay
2008-01-03 14:34 < Dave_is_sexy> cheers guys
2008-01-03 14:43 < Flameviper> What's up, dawgs?
2008-01-03 14:43 < Demi> It's down, G.
2008-01-03 14:43 < Cometstyles> hissss :|
2008-01-03 14:43 * Flameviper <3
2008-01-03 14:47 < TheWeasel> "Something funny happened to my mother in Bolton." "Really? I thought you were born in Sheffield."
2008-01-03 14:47 < TheWeasel> Hello
2008-01-03 14:48 < Demi> hi TheWeasel
2008-01-03 14:51 < Sfan00> Wikipedia is fine for me
2008-01-03 14:51 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-01-03 14:53 < Sfan00> BTW I need help in nuking you tube links in mainspace
2008-01-03 14:53 < lc2> Sfan00: oh no ;\
2008-01-03 14:55 < Sfan00> Why oh no?
2008-01-03 14:55 < Sfan00> Isn't it Wiki to violently purge copyvios?
2008-01-03 14:57 < lc2> Sfan00: no, i fully agree with you
2008-01-03 14:57 < lc2> Sfan00: it's just such an enormous job
2008-01-03 14:57 < Sfan00> That's why I need help :)
2008-01-03 14:57 < Messedrocker> my sidehairs are flat!!!!
2008-01-03 15:01 < quanticle> Sfan00: Any particular articles that need purging?
2008-01-03 15:02 < Sfan00> auanticle: use Special:Linksearch theres at least 4000
2008-01-03 15:02 < Sfan00> Ask Betacommand for help
2008-01-03 15:02 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-03 15:03 < x_Rankun_X> hey
2008-01-03 15:03 < x_Rankun_X> i need alot of help
2008-01-03 15:03 < Sfan00> Where?
2008-01-03 15:03 < x_Rankun_X> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seton_Hall_University
2008-01-03 15:03 < Sfan00> and the issue is?
2008-01-03 15:03 < x_Rankun_X> weve spent near 300 hours on what im calling the Seton Hall Project
2008-01-03 15:03 < quanticle> Sfan00: Is there any way to limit the search to article space. I'm getting a lot of hits from userpages...
2008-01-03 15:03 < x_Rankun_X> the more we go
2008-01-03 15:04 < x_Rankun_X> the more pages we have to make
2008-01-03 15:04 < x_Rankun_X> the point is
2008-01-03 15:04 < x_Rankun_X> were looking at a ton of work
2008-01-03 15:04 < x_Rankun_X> and theres only 2 of us
2008-01-03 15:04 < x_Rankun_X> if anyone can help find sources
2008-01-03 15:04 < x_Rankun_X> wed appreciate
2008-01-03 15:04 < Flameviper> CRAPFLOOD
2008-01-03 15:05 < quanticle> Flameviper: Quiet :)
2008-01-03 15:05 < quanticle> Flameviper: x_Rankun_X is more OT than you...
2008-01-03 15:05 < quanticle> :)
2008-01-03 15:06 < The359> Off Topic?
2008-01-03 15:06 < Flameviper> quanticle: just enjoying m'self
2008-01-03 15:06 < x_Rankun_X> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seton_Hall_University
2008-01-03 15:06 < x_Rankun_X> anyway
2008-01-03 15:06 < x_Rankun_X> thanks for the help
2008-01-03 15:06 < x_Rankun_X> in advance
2008-01-03 15:06 < quanticle> The359: *On* Topic
2008-01-03 15:06 < x_Rankun_X> we also need to make pages for the other schools
2008-01-03 15:06 < The359> OT usually means off topic
2008-01-03 15:06 < x_Rankun_X> you can steal the format from the other schools
2008-01-03 15:06 < The359> steal?
2008-01-03 15:07 < Sfan00> quanticle: Speak to Betacommand
2008-01-03 15:07 < quanticle> The359: I know. I realized this after I put up OT. Then I realized that both off and on start with "o"
2008-01-03 15:07 < x_Rankun_X> AM I BEING COMPLETELY IGNORED!
2008-01-03 15:08 < Messedrocker> the359, it also refers to Operating Thetan
2008-01-03 15:08 < The359> true
2008-01-03 15:08 < The359> and Overtime
2008-01-03 15:08 < x_Rankun_X> ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-01-03 15:08 < quanticle> Betacommand: Is there any way to limit link searches to articlespace?
2008-01-03 15:08 < Flameviper> er, what?
2008-01-03 15:08 < x_Rankun_X> (Goes on a stabbing spree)
2008-01-03 15:09 < quanticle> Flameviper: We're discussing the meaning of OT
2008-01-03 15:09 < Sfan00> MessedRocker: Thetan's are people too
2008-01-03 15:09 < Flameviper> What's a link search...?
2008-01-03 15:09 < Sfan00> qunaticle : User:Betacommand on enwiki
2008-01-03 15:09 < quanticle> Sfan00: Oh
2008-01-03 15:10 < Sfan00> Flameviper: [[Special:Linksearch]]
2008-01-03 15:10 < Messedrocker> Sfan00, but Scientologists aren't
2008-01-03 15:10 < x_Rankun_X> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seton_Hall_University
2008-01-03 15:10 < quanticle> Sfan00: Does betacommand not listen on IRC?
2008-01-03 15:10 < cikez> iss there ever any operators in here?
2008-01-03 15:10 < Sfan00> not often
2008-01-03 15:10 < Messedrocker> bay-tah-comm-an-darrrr
2008-01-03 15:10 < The359> you can stop repeating the page, x_Rankun_X
2008-01-03 15:10 < Sfan00> cikes: chanops or enwiki admins?
2008-01-03 15:10 < cikez> chanops
2008-01-03 15:10 < Sfan00> Why?
2008-01-03 15:10 < cikez> just curious
2008-01-03 15:10 < Sfan00> They are always chanops in here
2008-01-03 15:10 < FrancoGG> cikez, do you need anything?
2008-01-03 15:10 < cikez> Seems like there never is
2008-01-03 15:10 < The359> I don't think anyone here knows anything about the university, nor are they going to add references for you
2008-01-03 15:10 < Sfan00> BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!
2008-01-03 15:11 < cikez> ahh
2008-01-03 15:11 < Messedrocker> Betacommand Fact: C++ is rooted in assembly language. Assembly language is rooted in Betacommand's thought processes.
2008-01-03 15:11 < FrancoGG> there always are, but we don't stay opped
2008-01-03 15:11 < Flameviper> well
2008-01-03 15:11 < cikez> Ahhh
2008-01-03 15:11 < cikez> how come?
2008-01-03 15:11 < Flameviper> I've been in here for over 2 minutes and I haven't been kickbanned for no reason yet, so there are officially no ops here
2008-01-03 15:11 < cikez> I was wanting to speak with someone regarding the Wikipedia IRC chat.
2008-01-03 15:11 < Sfan00> Whats the problem?
2008-01-03 15:11 < x_Rankun_X> hahaha
2008-01-03 15:12 < Flameviper> cikez: wut does you want?
2008-01-03 15:12 < Sfan00> This channel has something of a reputation
2008-01-03 15:12 < cikez> No problem. Just wanted to speak with someone in PM.
2008-01-03 15:12 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-01-03 15:12 < Flameviper> Sfan00: you bet
2008-01-03 15:12 < Flameviper> you can talk to me
2008-01-03 15:12 < cikez> Flameviper: pm?
2008-01-03 15:12 < Flameviper> you bet your ass
2008-01-03 15:12 < Sfan00> If you want to moan about it being off topic - Don't bother
2008-01-03 15:12 < Sfan00> If it's serious complaints about serious stuff try #wikimedia-ops
2008-01-03 15:12 < bjweeks> #wikipedia? on topic? inconceivable!
2008-01-03 15:13 < x_Rankun_X> where do i go to get on topic!
2008-01-03 15:13 < Flameviper> ciikez: did you want to talk about something...?
2008-01-03 15:13 < FrancoGG> Sfan00, no need to be really serious complaints. if someone has any doubts or wharever they're free to join and ask
2008-01-03 15:13 < cikez> Hmm
2008-01-03 15:13 < cikez> Flameviper: Sorry, one second
2008-01-03 15:13 < Flameviper> k
2008-01-03 15:14 < The359> x_Rankun_X, you're not going to get everyone to jump up and do your work for you
2008-01-03 15:14 < The359> That's not what we are here for
2008-01-03 15:14 < x_Rankun_X> i know
2008-01-03 15:14 * quanticle is tempted to remove YouTube links from [[YouTube}}
2008-01-03 15:14 < quanticle> *]]
2008-01-03 15:14 < x_Rankun_X> im just hopeing someone will
2008-01-03 15:14 < x_Rankun_X> anyway
2008-01-03 15:14 < x_Rankun_X> i got a timer running
2008-01-03 15:14 < x_Rankun_X> every 10 minutes
2008-01-03 15:14 < x_Rankun_X> im gonna ask for help
2008-01-03 15:15 < x_Rankun_X> automatically
2008-01-03 15:15 < The359> Uh, hell no
2008-01-03 15:15 < quanticle> x_Rankun_X: That's a real good way to get banned
2008-01-03 15:15 < bjweeks> I see this ending well
2008-01-03 15:15 < The359> I'd suggest you turn that off
2008-01-03 15:15 < x_Rankun_X> i cant figure out how
2008-01-03 15:15 < bjweeks> lol
2008-01-03 15:15 < x_Rankun_X> ive had a timer going for half a hour
2008-01-03 15:15 < x_Rankun_X> TEST! Unknown command
2008-01-03 15:15 < The359> Then I guess we'll have to fix it for you?
2008-01-03 15:15 < x_Rankun_X> all i see on my status page
2008-01-03 15:15 < quanticle> x_Rankun_X: There's a power switch on your computer isn't there?
2008-01-03 15:16 < Flameviper> erm
2008-01-03 15:16 < x_Rankun_X> quanticle: there is an axe on joor phace pl0x
2008-01-03 15:16 < bjweeks> hahaha
2008-01-03 15:16 < bjweeks> in before ban
2008-01-03 15:17 < quanticle> x_Rankun_X: 13375p33k i5 f3r n00bs
2008-01-03 15:17 < x_Rankun_X> quanticle: fuck you
2008-01-03 15:17 < bjweeks> quanticle: that wasn't leet speak
2008-01-03 15:17 < Cometstyles> heh
2008-01-03 15:17 < bjweeks> more like the /b/tard speak
2008-01-03 15:18 < x_Rankun_X> bbs
2008-01-03 15:19 * The359 smells troll
2008-01-03 15:19 < Sfan00> quanticle: Don't :)
2008-01-03 15:19 < x_Rankun_X> back
2008-01-03 15:19 < quanticle> Sfan00: Sorry, couldn't resist
2008-01-03 15:19 < Sfan00> as long as they are not a homosexual african american troll... ;)
2008-01-03 15:19 < x_Rankun_X> my stocks are down 6% today
2008-01-03 15:19 < quanticle> Sfan00: From space?
2008-01-03 15:20 < bjweeks> Sfan00: I got that reference :(
2008-01-03 15:20 < Sfan00> x_Rankun_X: Stocks are down by 6%, How much disocunt on the whips then?
2008-01-03 15:20 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-01-03 15:20 < Sfan00> *discount
2008-01-03 15:20 < x_Rankun_X> wow
2008-01-03 15:20 * quanticle welcomes our new homosexual african american space trolls
2008-01-03 15:20 < x_Rankun_X> diso-cunt
2008-01-03 15:20 < x_Rankun_X> add a letter
2008-01-03 15:20 < x_Rankun_X> you just said disco-cunt
2008-01-03 15:20 < Sfan00> qaunticle: You misprhaes that ;)
2008-01-03 15:21 < bjweeks> I, for, one welcome my troll overlords
2008-01-03 15:21 < quanticle> Sfan00: Yeah, I meant to add "overlords" at the end of that