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2008-01-03 03:06 < ancjr> i have a friend that is really into the alternative engines
2008-01-03 03:06 < ancjr> he's always bathering about them
2008-01-03 03:11 < uberpenguin> *shrug* well they're pretty efficient, but expensive and impractical for a lot of applications
2008-01-03 03:54 * brown_cat attempts to make AntiSpamMeta explode
2008-01-03 03:55 < bumm13> 67yyyyb .,]677Z76Y7aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab n,m'??????L<
2008-01-03 03:55 < Becca> er?
2008-01-03 03:55 * brown_cat scares Becca >:D
2008-01-03 03:55 * brown_cat cuddles Becca
2008-01-03 03:56 < Scott5114> WE NEED SOMEONE TO MAKE THIS CHANNEL LESS QUIET
2008-01-03 03:56 < xurich> ghgf
2008-01-03 03:56 < Scott5114> ghgf to you too xurich
2008-01-03 03:57 < brown_cat> HI SCOTT5114
2008-01-03 03:57 < brown_cat> WANT A HUG?
2008-01-03 03:57 < Scott5114> I SUPPOSE SO
2008-01-03 03:57 < Scott5114> WE NEED THE LOUD_CAT
2008-01-03 03:57 * BROWN_CAT LOUDLY HUGS SCOTT5114
2008-01-03 03:57 < BROWN_CAT> I WILL TAKE HIS PLACE :p
2008-01-03 03:58 < Scott5114> ALL RIGHT I FIND THIS ACCEPTABLE
2008-01-03 03:58 < dungodung> stop it!
2008-01-03 03:59 * BROWN_CAT stares at dungodung
2008-01-03 04:00 < ArtfclIntllgnc_> DAMN KIDS! GET OFF MY LAWN!
2008-01-03 04:01 < BROWN_CAT> O_o
2008-01-03 04:01 < BROWN_CAT> HI ArtfclIntllgnc_!
2008-01-03 04:01 * BROWN_CAT reverses onto ArtfclIntllgnc_'s lawn
2008-01-03 04:01 < ArtfclIntllgnc_> HI BROWN_CAT!
2008-01-03 04:02 < BROWN_CAT> HI!
2008-01-03 04:02 < BROWN_CAT> HOW ARE YOU?
2008-01-03 04:02 < ancjr> thats a good album
2008-01-03 04:03 * BROWN_CAT cries
2008-01-03 04:04 < Scott5114> WHY ARE YOU CRYING
2008-01-03 04:04 < BROWN_CAT> my ball went into the stormwater drain
2008-01-03 04:04 < Scott5114> I FIND THAT UNACCEPTABLE
2008-01-03 04:04 < BROWN_CAT> say bumm13, you want to go and get my ball?
2008-01-03 04:04 < Becca> gah
2008-01-03 04:04 < Becca> anyone good with tables?
2008-01-03 04:05 < Scott5114> Sort of.
2008-01-03 04:05 < Scott5114> I make no guarantees
2008-01-03 04:06 < Becca> I've bollocksed up the table at [[User:Rebecca/Drafts/List of Northern Territory general elections]]
2008-01-03 04:06 < Lubaf> Expect a lot of lame news stories today.
2008-01-03 04:06 < Becca> the first column is meant to be "year", the colour column is not meant to have a header, and there's various other little pieces of bollocksing too :(
2008-01-03 04:07 < Becca> Lubaf: why?
2008-01-03 04:07 < Lubaf> Because, guess what, today is the first day of the US primary season!
2008-01-03 04:07 < Becca> who won?
2008-01-03 04:07 < Lubaf> Becca: Jan 3 is the first day.
2008-01-03 04:07 < Lubaf> So it hasn't started yet.
2008-01-03 04:07 < Scott5114> Becca: is there any reason you're using an HTML table instead of a wikisyntax one?
2008-01-03 04:07 < Lubaf> Iowa caucuses are today, and whoever wins will have a lot of lame newsstories written about s/he/it.
2008-01-03 04:08 < Becca> Scott5114: i stole it from the featured list i want this to look like.
2008-01-03 04:08 < Scott5114> oh ok
2008-01-03 04:08 < Lubaf> On both sides of the aisle.
2008-01-03 04:08 < BROWN_CAT> O_O
2008-01-03 04:09 < Lubaf> Huckabee and Obama might win, but than again, Romney and Clinton both have their claims.
2008-01-03 04:09 < Becca> eh, edwards and thompson should win.
2008-01-03 04:09 < Lubaf> Becca: I'll go with you on Thompson.
2008-01-03 04:09 < Becca> edwards because he'd be a good president, and thompson because he'd be a comical opponent.
2008-01-03 04:10 < NickFoo> poop
2008-01-03 04:10 < Lubaf> I dunno. I'd prefer somebody who wasn't a litigator in the power seat.
2008-01-03 04:10 < NickFoo> sorry, I had to say it
2008-01-03 04:10 < Becca> managing to go from heavily-hyped frontrunner to losing to ron paul without a scandal is a pretty impressive feat for thompson..
2008-01-03 04:10 < Becca> Lubaf: perhaps, but on policy grounds he's the better option.
2008-01-03 04:10 < Becca> clinton and obama have knocked up too many black marks in my book.
2008-01-03 04:11 < Lubaf> I tend to believe that character matters, if not in the way most people think.
2008-01-03 04:11 * Becca thinks all the leading dems are of decent character, apart from maybe clinton.
2008-01-03 04:11 < NickFoo> who is ahead on the polls?
2008-01-03 04:12 < NickFoo> Hillary still on top?
2008-01-03 04:12 * The359 votes Perot
2008-01-03 04:13 < NickFoo> (that's what she said, or he said, or something)
2008-01-03 04:13 * Debolaz2 votes for Hilary.
2008-01-03 04:13 < Becca> so, any chance anyone might be able to work out what's wrong with that table?
2008-01-03 04:13 < Becca> or maybe help me make a wikitable one?
2008-01-03 04:16 < NickFoo> Debolaz2: that's Hillarious
2008-01-03 04:17 < NickFoo> I think either Hillary or Obama winning would be a good thing, since it would help the image of the US
2008-01-03 04:18 < NickFoo> Obama because he's half black, and Hillary because she's a Hillary
2008-01-03 04:18 < Becca> agreed.
2008-01-03 04:19 < Becca> it's just that clinton is shitty on a whole bunch of minority rights issues, and i still haven't forgiven obama for the donnie mcglurkin issue.
2008-01-03 04:20 < BROWN_CAT> OMG!
2008-01-03 04:21 < Scott5114> Becca: should be fixed
2008-01-03 04:21 < Scott5114> here's a tip: when working with HTML, make sure each <td> has a </td>
2008-01-03 04:21 < NickFoo> yeah but either way if anything can help the US now, it's a good image, and what better image than looking unthreatening? The little deatils aren't going to make as much of a difference in comparison
2008-01-03 04:22 < Scott5114> and if you don't want anything in a cell, you can type <td/>
2008-01-03 04:22 < Scott5114> (<td/> = <td></td>
2008-01-03 04:22 < NickFoo> so anybody know who's ahead on the polls?
2008-01-03 04:23 < Scott5114> Newyorkbrad is slated to sweep Iowa.
2008-01-03 04:23 < Scott5114> no seriously, most of them are like all tied up
2008-01-03 04:24 < Scott5114> I remember one saying Huckabee was a couple of points ahead of Romney
2008-01-03 04:24 < Scott5114> I think Clinton leads the Democrats
2008-01-03 04:25 < NickFoo> ok so Hilary's still on top then? I don't figure the Republicans will be winning or an independent
2008-01-03 04:26 < NickFoo> that's a relief
2008-01-03 04:26 * ArtfclIntllgnc_ heard here (from TheWeasel IIRC) it was 32-25 Obama-Clinton by the Des Moines Register or somesuch.
2008-01-03 04:26 < Scott5114> you'd be surprised...I've heard a lot of people in Oklahoma say they'd never vote for a woman as president...
2008-01-03 04:26 < Becca> Scott514: why is there a grey box still in the independent column?
2008-01-03 04:26 < Scott5114> Becca: I assumed you wanted that
2008-01-03 04:27 < Scott5114> considering it's got colors for the other two, but they're not displaying for some reason
2008-01-03 04:27 < NickFoo> is there some sort of online counter where one can check the numbers?
2008-01-03 04:28 < ArtfclIntllgnc_> caucuses don't work that way
2008-01-03 04:28 < Becca> Scott514: not the random tiny one
2008-01-03 04:28 < Scott5114> fixed
2008-01-03 04:29 < Becca> thanks heaps :)
2008-01-03 04:30 < Scott5114> No problem
2008-01-03 04:30 < Scott5114> HTML can be kinda difficult to keep track of -- makes me appreciate wikitables all the more :P
2008-01-03 04:30 < Becca> heh :)
2008-01-03 04:33 < ArtfclIntllgnc_> tables are from darksied. Use CSS.
2008-01-03 04:36 < Becca> Scott5114: what's with the random html tag that's still there?
2008-01-03 04:37 < Scott5114> which one?
2008-01-03 04:42 < Scott5114> oh I see it
2008-01-03 04:43 < Scott5114> Becca: fixed
2008-01-03 04:44 < Becca> ta :)
2008-01-03 04:47 * brown_cat makes an elaborate plot to ship corn to iraq
2008-01-03 04:49 < piratemurray> hello there!
2008-01-03 04:49 < piratemurray> i need help with something
2008-01-03 04:50 < Scott5114> What's the something?
2008-01-03 04:50 < piratemurray> oh hi there! umm.... basically i wanted to know how to check whether something should belong on a page or not.
2008-01-03 04:51 < Scott5114> Best bet is to ask on the talk page of the article
2008-01-03 04:51 < Scott5114> or you can just add it and see if anyone takes it out...but that might tee someone off
2008-01-03 04:52 < piratemurray> i'm completely new to that on wikipedia, how would i do that?
2008-01-03 04:52 < Scott5114> There's a tab at the top that says "discussion"
2008-01-03 04:52 < Scott5114> that takes you to the talk page
2008-01-03 04:52 < piratemurray> ok
2008-01-03 04:52 < bainer> Becca: hello
2008-01-03 04:53 < Scott5114> to leave a new comment, click the + tab, fill out the form, and sign your comment with ~~~~, and hit save
2008-01-03 04:53 < piratemurray> i must be missing something, there isnt a form on the discussion page
2008-01-03 04:54 < Scott5114> you have to click the + tab at the top for the form to appear
2008-01-03 04:54 < Scott5114> you could also just click "edit this page" and add your comment at the bottom
2008-01-03 04:54 < Scott5114> they basically do the same thing
2008-01-03 04:54 < piratemurray> ahh bingo! found it. many thanks. so i can leave a comment here and someone should eventually see it, right?
2008-01-03 04:55 < Scott5114> Right, anyone who has an interest in the article will see your comment appear on their "watchlist", so they can check it and reply to you
2008-01-03 04:55 < Scott5114> or someone might just stumble upon it, but that's probably unlikely
2008-01-03 04:55 < piratemurray> cool. thanks for your help
2008-01-03 04:56 < Scott5114> if nobody says anything for a few days, you can probably go ahead and make the change
2008-01-03 04:56 < piratemurray> thanks. i will do. cheers. ahppy new year and such. bye now
2008-01-03 04:57 < Scott5114> newbies are fun
2008-01-03 05:10 < Becca> evening bainer
2008-01-03 05:12 < bainer> Becca: how's it going?
2008-01-03 05:14 < Becca> bainer: not too bad.
2008-01-03 05:15 < Becca> had a friend staying on my floor for a week, and she's just gone home.
2008-01-03 05:15 < Becca> how about you?
2008-01-03 05:18 < Becca> wb?
2008-01-03 05:25 < mazzanet> i/win 20
2008-01-03 05:25 < bumm13> =]90 bvl;m]\=-[pblnm jjjjjjjjj90
2008-01-03 05:26 < bumm13> oops :P
2008-01-03 05:28 < Drunken_Idiot> Hello
2008-01-03 05:54 < xkintaro> what happened to spoiler warnings?
2008-01-03 05:54 < Becca> they died.
2008-01-03 05:55 < xkintaro> Died of incompetence I presume?
2008-01-03 05:56 < Becca> eh?
2008-01-03 05:57 < xkintaro> Well, a template doesn't die without an incompetent management
2008-01-03 05:57 < xkintaro> decision
2008-01-03 05:58 < Luna-San> It kept coming up that they didn't exactly gel with encyclopedic tone
2008-01-03 06:14 < xkintaro> well
2008-01-03 06:14 < xkintaro> open editing doesn't gel with encyclopedic tone
2008-01-03 06:15 < Luna-San> By golly, you're right. Let's block everybody.
2008-01-03 06:15 < xkintaro> Yeah, do that.
2008-01-03 06:16 < xkintaro> However now I can't trust a single page for a book
2008-01-03 06:16 < xkintaro> find me any other encyclopedia with plot summaries
2008-01-03 06:16 < xkintaro> seriously
2008-01-03 06:16 < bumm13> *yawn*
2008-01-03 06:16 < xkintaro> Yep, thats all you guys do.
2008-01-03 06:16 < The359> plot summaries don't belong on an Encyclopedia
2008-01-03 06:16 < xkintaro> then get rid of them
2008-01-03 06:17 < xkintaro> all of them
2008-01-03 06:17 < xkintaro> want me to start, i have an account
2008-01-03 06:17 < Luna-San> If you see an article that could be improved, feel free; that's generally the idea around these parts.
2008-01-03 06:18 < xkintaro> Okay, Atlas Shrugged (novel), spoiler warning
2008-01-03 06:18 < xkintaro> I cannot improve it, without breaking rules
2008-01-03 06:18 < xkintaro> The character stuff, it ruins the plot, so I could probably edit that more carefully
2008-01-03 06:18 < xkintaro> but I can't read them
2008-01-03 06:18 < xkintaro> until I've finished the book
2008-01-03 06:19 < xkintaro> one paragraph was enough to destroy an entire part of its plot though
2008-01-03 06:19 < xkintaro> luckily, its a very good book
2008-01-03 06:19 < bumm13> lol
2008-01-03 06:20 < xkintaro> not funny "bumm"
2008-01-03 06:20 < xkintaro> not funny at all
2008-01-03 06:21 < xkintaro> I didn't need to know John Galt was the mystery worker
2008-01-03 06:21 < xkintaro> RUINING THE MYSTERY
2008-01-03 06:21 < xkintaro> :'(
2008-01-03 06:22 < Lycurgus> if anybody says they actually read JGs tirade at the end word-for-word, I am dubious or pitying the fool or something
2008-01-03 06:22 < Luna-San> If you don't want to know such things, a website like Wikipedia probably isn't a good place to go looking, really.
2008-01-03 06:24 < xkintaro> I'll read it word for word
2008-01-03 06:24 < xkintaro> and like all great books, ill read it all again
2008-01-03 06:24 < xkintaro> and again
2008-01-03 06:25 < xkintaro> and yeah, you are pretty dubious for saying that
2008-01-03 06:26 < bumm13> hiya Luna-San
2008-01-03 06:26 < xkintaro> i dont know how that word can be related to the phrase "pity the fool" though
2008-01-03 06:26 < Luna-San> bumm13: Allo. How's the sharp end of the 13?
2008-01-03 06:26 < bumm13> :x
2008-01-03 06:26 < bumm13> good, I guess
2008-01-03 06:27 < qienkuen> Can anyone tell me why I cannot upload files to my mediawiki? thanks
2008-01-03 06:27 < Lycurgus> you need tech support
2008-01-03 06:27 < bumm13> qienkuen: might try #mediawiki if nobody here knows the answer
2008-01-03 06:27 < qienkuen> But I have already changed the Localsetting.php for uploading
2008-01-03 06:27 < qienkuen> oh,I'm sorry
2008-01-03 06:28 < bumm13> no, that's fine :)
2008-01-03 06:28 < bumm13> (there is some overlap of knowledge, after all)
2008-01-03 06:28 * Luna-San sharpens bumm's 13 quietly. >.>
2008-01-03 06:28 < Cyrius> we've had more people looking for mediawiki support than usual the past few weeks
2008-01-03 06:29 < xkintaro> probably your php.ini or something qienkuen, i never had any trouble with it
2008-01-03 06:29 < xkintaro> otherwise, i cannot help you
2008-01-03 06:29 < Lycurgus> i remember having to do more than jigger LocalSettings.php
2008-01-03 06:29 * bumm13 needs to stop sleeping so much :x
2008-01-03 06:30 < Lycurgus> why, getting the Lumbago?
2008-01-03 06:32 < Lycurgus> If you just sleep and eat but not so much of the latter you can loose weight. True fact.
2008-01-03 06:33 * brown_cat cuddles ViRuSbOY
2008-01-03 06:34 * ViRuSbOY kicks brown_cat ;)
2008-01-03 06:34 < brown_cat> ViRuSbOY: keeping a tradition I see :p
2008-01-03 06:34 < ViRuSbOY> yup :)
2008-01-03 06:35 < brown_cat> :D
2008-01-03 06:35 < ocee> if only cometstyles were here
2008-01-03 06:36 < ocee> he'd appreciate such an awesome nick
2008-01-03 06:37 < brown_cat> I KNEW IT!!!!
2008-01-03 06:37 < brown_cat> WARPATH IS COMETSTYLES!!!!
2008-01-03 06:38 < Warpath> so ?
2008-01-03 06:38 < Warpath> hey ocee :DD
2008-01-03 06:38 < Warpath> you called? :P
2008-01-03 06:38 < ocee> Warpath: ah, too confusing! ;)
2008-01-03 06:38 < brown_cat> You denyed it before
2008-01-03 06:38 < Warpath> :P
2008-01-03 06:39 * brown_cat cries
2008-01-03 06:39 * brown_cat waits to be hugged
2008-01-03 06:39 < ocee> especially since my window doesn't show "x is now known as y" prompts
2008-01-03 06:39 < ocee> :P
2008-01-03 06:39 < Warpath> hihi Xd
2008-01-03 06:39 < Warpath> enable conference mode :P
2008-01-03 06:40 * brown_cat buys Warpath a flux capacitor
2008-01-03 06:41 < Warpath> ^_^
2008-01-03 06:43 < brown_cat> Warpath: what do you want to do with it?
2008-01-03 06:44 < Warpath> sell it to someone, buy a chainsaw and chop you up :|
2008-01-03 06:44 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-01-03 06:44 * brown_cat scars Warpath >:D
2008-01-03 06:44 * brown_cat giggles
2008-01-03 06:45 < brown_cat> what is the fear of fat people called?
2008-01-03 06:57 < brown_cat> <brown_cat> which is better, wikinews or wikipedia
2008-01-03 06:57 < brown_cat> <DragonFire1024> WN
2008-01-03 06:59 < Undeference> wikipedia with a wikinews sidebar?
2008-01-03 06:59 < brown_cat> no
2008-01-03 06:59 < brown_cat> I meant flat out, which is better
2008-01-03 07:09 < theINC> brown_cat: apples and oranges
2008-01-03 07:09 < theINC> Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that gets regularly updated
2008-01-03 07:09 < theINC> Wikinews is a continually update news source
2008-01-03 07:10 < theINC> I wouldn't look in an encyclopedia for the weather
2008-01-03 07:10 < brown_cat> correction
2008-01-03 07:10 < brown_cat> Wikinews is an occasionally continually updated news source
2008-01-03 07:10 < theINC> correction accepted
2008-01-03 07:10 < brown_cat> xD
2008-01-03 07:10 < theINC> and I wouldn't look at the news to find out who the king of England was in 1525
2008-01-03 07:10 < theINC> in fact, was it a queen by then?
2008-01-03 07:11 < brown_cat> except, there is only one encyclopedia like wikipedia
2008-01-03 07:11 < theINC> and that is wikipedia?
2008-01-03 07:11 < brown_cat> no encarta
2008-01-03 07:11 < brown_cat> but that is besides the point
2008-01-03 07:11 < theINC> eh, but it's not continually updated
2008-01-03 07:11 < theINC> ie, there isn't a guide on every episode of the simpsons in encarta
2008-01-03 07:11 < brown_cat> I know, I was KJ
2008-01-03 07:11 < theINC> and there probably isn't an article on Apple :P
2008-01-03 07:11 < brown_cat> wikipedia is the only thing of its type
2008-01-03 07:11 < brown_cat> there are thousands of FAR better news sources which I would trust (not wikinews)
2008-01-03 07:12 < brown_cat> hahaha
2008-01-03 07:12 < brown_cat> true
2008-01-03 07:12 < bumm13> actually, there is one, I'm quite certain
2008-01-03 07:12 < brown_cat> :o
2008-01-03 07:12 < brown_cat> uncyclopedia?
2008-01-03 07:12 < theINC> bumm13: everything2?
2008-01-03 07:12 < bumm13> Bill Gates always had a funny soft spot for Apple
2008-01-03 07:12 < bumm13> Encarta
2008-01-03 07:12 < theINC> bumm13: I think old Steve and Bill don't mind eachother that much
2008-01-03 07:12 < theINC> well, maybe apple hates microsoft a bit more than microsoft hates apple
2008-01-03 07:13 < theINC> because iTunes and QuickTime SUCK ASS on PC
2008-01-03 07:13 < theINC> but aren't bad at all on Mac
2008-01-03 07:13 < theINC> Quicktime is actually lightweight!
2008-01-03 07:13 < bumm13> they always make inferior stuff for Windows, it seems
2008-01-03 07:13 < brown_cat> yer
2008-01-03 07:13 < bumm13> except for Safari is quite good
2008-01-03 07:13 < brown_cat> yep
2008-01-03 07:13 < brown_cat> I love osx
2008-01-03 07:13 < theINC> yeah, Safari
2008-01-03 07:13 * brown_cat is on it now :p
2008-01-03 07:13 < theINC> brown_cat: nice work
2008-01-03 07:13 < bumm13> *which is quite good :P
2008-01-03 07:13 < brown_cat> WIMT!!!!
2008-01-03 07:14 < theINC> I'm a Mac/PC user
2008-01-03 07:14 < wimt> Hey brown_cat :-)
2008-01-03 07:14 * brown_cat throws theINC's pc in the bin
2008-01-03 07:14 < theINC> Mac for general stuff, PC for gaming
2008-01-03 07:14 * brown_cat cuddles wimt
2008-01-03 07:14 < bumm13> I've not had a chance to use OS X
2008-01-03 07:14 < theINC> brown_cat: hey, I want to play the orange box!
2008-01-03 07:14 * wimt cuddles back
2008-01-03 07:14 < brown_cat> bumm13: go to the local store -use it there - it rocks
2008-01-03 07:14 < brown_cat> it is soo good
2008-01-03 07:14 < bumm13> being well north of Portland, Oregon , I'm still in Bill's backyard :P
2008-01-03 07:14 < brown_cat> theINC: orage box O_O
2008-01-03 07:14 < brown_cat> bumm13: hahhaha
2008-01-03 07:15 < theINC> brown_cat: Half Life 2, HL2: Episodes 1 and 2, Portal, and Team Fortress
2008-01-03 07:15 < bumm13> Portland is a big Mac area
2008-01-03 07:15 < brown_cat> bumm13: all apple store sections have internet so in queensland i would spend like an hour a day in the shop on my email xD
2008-01-03 07:15 < theINC> and what if I hypothetically wanted to play DotA or Crysis
2008-01-03 07:15 < brown_cat> theINC: I dont't have one game on my pc or mac
2008-01-03 07:15 < bumm13> Seattle's corner of Mac-ness is at/near the Univ. of Washington
2008-01-03 07:16 < theINC> brown_cat: then prkl you
2008-01-03 07:16 < bumm13> otherwise, MS-central
2008-01-03 07:16 < brown_cat> bumm13: all universities are full of mac users!
2008-01-03 07:16 < theINC> apparently prkl is a finnish curse
2008-01-03 07:16 < theINC> yeah, Macs certainly are popular at unis
2008-01-03 07:17 < theINC> but yeah, OS X is pretty awesome
2008-01-03 07:17 < theINC> but Vista isn't *that* bad
2008-01-03 07:17 * brown_cat turns out the lights to make his keyboard light up to show off :p
2008-01-03 07:17 < theINC> brown_cat: just because you have an MBP
2008-01-03 07:17 < bumm13> even if Vista were better, I don't want shitty DRM
2008-01-03 07:17 < theINC> while I have a regular not-pro MacBook
2008-01-03 07:17 < theINC> what DRM?
2008-01-03 07:17 < theINC> I've only got it on one PC
2008-01-03 07:17 < brown_cat> bumm13: how would drm affect you?
2008-01-03 07:18 < theINC> turns out that the King of England in 1525 was King Henry the 8th
2008-01-03 07:18 < brown_cat> hahaha
2008-01-03 07:18 < brown_cat> bumm13: drm doesn't affect you - i download all my stuff off torrents - no problem! xD
2008-01-03 07:19 < theINC> I torrent random albums when I hear about them, and if I like them I'll buy them
2008-01-03 07:19 < theINC> well, sometimes I'll torrent one and buy the other
2008-01-03 07:19 < theINC> so I get double value and still technically support them ;)
2008-01-03 07:19 < brown_cat> :p
2008-01-03 07:20 < theINC> like, I torrented the Daft Punk anthology
2008-01-03 07:20 < theINC> but bought Alive 2007
2008-01-03 07:20 < brown_cat> I am going to count how much it would cost for me to buy everything i have downloaded
2008-01-03 07:20 < theINC> or I torrented the Kaiser Chiefs first album
2008-01-03 07:20 < theINC> but bought the second
2008-01-03 07:20 < theINC> I actually bought one CD on Amazon
2008-01-03 07:20 < theINC> and it was cheaper, postage to australia included, to get it on CD than download from iTunes!
2008-01-03 07:22 < brown_cat> I have at least $4000 worth of stuff downloaded (series) and 11000 songs I copied off a friend who downloads loads of music xD
2008-01-03 07:22 < theINC> ah, my internets are sloooow
2008-01-03 07:22 < theINC> makes wikipedia not fun
2008-01-03 07:22 < brown_cat> lol
2008-01-03 07:22 < theINC> i mighta been capped
2008-01-03 07:22 < theINC> anyway, i should really go now
2008-01-03 07:22 < theINC> go and watch some pron...
2008-01-03 07:22 < brown_cat> cya
2008-01-03 07:22 < brown_cat> x
2008-01-03 07:22 < theINC> i mean... pron...
2008-01-03 07:23 < theINC> i mean...
2008-01-03 07:23 < theINC> pron.
2008-01-03 07:23 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-01-03 07:23 < theINC> or sleep
2008-01-03 07:23 < brown_cat> hahaha
2008-01-03 07:23 < brown_cat> cya
2008-01-03 07:23 < theINC> and i totally accidentally typed pron
2008-01-03 07:23 < theINC> when I meant porn
2008-01-03 07:23 < theINC> or perhaps prawn?
2008-01-03 07:23 < bumm13> corn
2008-01-03 07:23 < theINC> i;m going to wash some prawn!
2008-01-03 07:23 < theINC> i went fishing for prawns (prawning?) today...
2008-01-03 07:23 < theINC> and I'm going to wash them
2008-01-03 07:24 < theINC> so yeah
2008-01-03 07:24 < theINC> i'll just go and wash some prawn
2008-01-03 07:24 < theINC> and see you guys tomorrow
2008-01-03 07:25 * theINC pats brown_cat
2008-01-03 07:25 < brown_cat> :D
2008-01-03 07:25 < brown_cat> xD
2008-01-03 07:25 < theINC> buh-buh-bye, kids!
2008-01-03 07:26 < brown_cat> oh how I hate him
2008-01-03 07:26 < brown_cat> xD
2008-01-03 07:32 * brown_cat licks PeanutHorst
2008-01-03 07:36 * brown_cat admires kila
2008-01-03 07:37 < kila> :O
2008-01-03 07:38 * brown_cat hugs kila
2008-01-03 07:38 < kila> heya :)
2008-01-03 07:38 * brown_cat feels affectionate today :D
2008-01-03 07:38 < kila> woooo!
2008-01-03 07:38 * kila is tired today :(
2008-01-03 07:38 < brown_cat> :(
2008-01-03 07:38 < brown_cat> why?
2008-01-03 07:38 < bumm13> aww
2008-01-03 07:41 < brown_cat> kila?
2008-01-03 07:41 < Cometstyles> she is hungry still? :(
2008-01-03 07:41 * brown_cat throws cake at kila xD
2008-01-03 07:43 < kila> :P
2008-01-03 07:43 < kila> not hungry anymore
2008-01-03 07:43 < kila> just lack of sleep
2008-01-03 07:44 * brown_cat sedates kila
2008-01-03 07:44 < brown_cat> much better
2008-01-03 07:44 < kila> :O
2008-01-03 07:45 < brown_cat> ^^
2008-01-03 07:45 < brown_cat> jk
2008-01-03 07:45 < brown_cat> oh how I hate names that are made of random letters
2008-01-03 07:45 < brown_cat> right cinctqwtc?
2008-01-03 07:48 < brown_cat> xD
2008-01-03 07:48 < cinctqwtc> IRCLogger v1.2 active
2008-01-03 07:48 < brown_cat> can you send me the logs?
2008-01-03 07:49 * brown_cat lost today
2008-01-03 07:49 < brown_cat> 's logs
2008-01-03 07:49 * brown_cat cuddles bumm13
2008-01-03 07:50 * Scott5114 forces brown_cat to change usernames to wforubbbukyndizwyck
2008-01-03 07:50 < brown_cat> NEVER!!!!
2008-01-03 07:50 * brown_cat cuddles nazgjunk__
2008-01-03 07:50 * Scott5114 proposes rubbubbenneflossdart
2008-01-03 07:51 < brown_cat> Scott5114: i prefer "analfingerlicker" xD
2008-01-03 07:51 < Scott5114> THAT'S NOT RANDOM LETTERS!
2008-01-03 07:51 < brown_cat> WHAT? O_o
2008-01-03 07:51 < Scott5114> wash your hands!
2008-01-03 07:52 < brown_cat> I just licked them!!
2008-01-03 07:52 < Scott5114> now we know why you're called brown_cat
2008-01-03 07:53 < brown_cat> no
2008-01-03 07:53 < brown_cat> that is because I go into there, not because my fingers do xD
2008-01-03 07:54 < kila> oooookaaaaaayyyy
2008-01-03 07:55 < brown_cat> hahahahaha
2008-01-03 07:56 * brown_cat is a cat
2008-01-03 07:56 < brown_cat> cats are dirty
2008-01-03 07:56 < Scott5114> but on the internet nobody knows you're a dog
2008-01-03 07:58 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-01-03 08:00 * brown_cat rubs up against TheWeasel
2008-01-03 08:00 < TheWeasel> McCain surgeth in Gilbert Gr... err... Iowa.
2008-01-03 08:01 < brown_cat> there, clean again
2008-01-03 08:01 * blonde-cat cuddles kila ^^
2008-01-03 08:01 < TheWeasel> Stains are the new clean.
2008-01-03 08:02 < blonde-cat> O_O
2008-01-03 08:03 < blonde-cat> TheWeasel: so, are the homeless people covered on clean
2008-01-03 08:04 < TheWeasel> Yea, until the fashion changes again.
2008-01-03 08:04 < blonde-cat> lol
2008-01-03 08:10 < domas> hi!
2008-01-03 08:11 < bumm13> hi
2008-01-03 08:12 < domas> people finally started to visualize visits
2008-01-03 08:12 < domas> http://stats.grok.se/en/200712/Pakistan
2008-01-03 08:12 < domas> \o/
2008-01-03 08:13 < domas> or http://stats.grok.se/en/200712/Christmas ;-)
2008-01-03 08:13 < domas> nice trending
2008-01-03 08:15 < domas> I have other idea of visualize this, but this is also nice
2008-01-03 08:17 < TheWeasel> Hah... our Swedes
2008-01-03 08:17 < TheWeasel> I haven't seen many of them in here lately
2008-01-03 08:20 * TheWeasel drinks awful cold tea
2008-01-03 08:25 < Submarine> howdie folks
2008-01-03 08:25 < Submarine> Is there anybody from San Francisco around here?
2008-01-03 08:25 < TheWeasel> rather grand
2008-01-03 08:25 < Submarine> I'd need some information.
2008-01-03 08:25 < TheWeasel> probably not round this time
2008-01-03 08:25 < TheWeasel> it's early there
2008-01-03 08:27 < zocky> happy happy
2008-01-03 08:28 < bumm13> hiya Submarine
2008-01-03 08:28 < Submarine> howdie
2008-01-03 08:28 < bumm13> long time no see :-)
2008-01-03 08:28 < Submarine> bumm13, what would you advise as a store for buying electronics in California?
2008-01-03 08:28 < bumm13> howdy TheWeasel
2008-01-03 08:28 < Submarine> Fry's?
2008-01-03 08:28 < bumm13> and howdy zocky
2008-01-03 08:28 < Submarine> Radioshack?
2008-01-03 08:28 < TheWeasel> howdy
2008-01-03 08:28 < bumm13> Submarine: yeah, Fry's is quite good, I'd say
2008-01-03 08:29 < TheWeasel> bumm's from the same timezone anyway
2008-01-03 08:29 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 08:29 < bumm13> although I've not been to one myself (as I'm not in their territory)
2008-01-03 08:29 < bumm13> what type of electronics?
2008-01-03 08:29 < bumm13> regular consumer electronics stuff?
2008-01-03 08:30 < TheWeasel> yay! Daily Kos stops endorsing Obama!
2008-01-03 08:30 < Submarine> like some Internet tablet gizmo
2008-01-03 08:30 < bumm13> TheWeasel: I learned about a cool old U.S. cable TV show from the early 80s
2008-01-03 08:30 < TheWeasel> yea?
2008-01-03 08:30 < bumm13> Submarine: yeah, Fry's would be better for that than something like Radioshack
2008-01-03 08:31 < bumm13> TheWeasel: [[New Wave Theatre]]
2008-01-03 08:31 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-03 08:31 < Submarine> bumm13, do you know other names for such chain stores?
2008-01-03 08:31 < NotACow> bumm13: radio shack is useless :)
2008-01-03 08:31 < Submarine> Office Depot has computers but...
2008-01-03 08:31 < bumm13> it featured hardcore punk and New Wave bands from that era
2008-01-03 08:31 < TheWeasel> Sweet
2008-01-03 08:31 < bumm13> Submarine: well, the other ones tend to suck more
2008-01-03 08:31 < bumm13> like Circuit City and Best Buy
2008-01-03 08:32 < TheWeasel> MTV hasn't the guts for the rougher of those bands in daytime TV any more
2008-01-03 08:32 < bumm13> yeah, Office Depot and Staples are more "business stuff" oriented
2008-01-03 08:32 < bumm13> with basic computer supplies, monitors and printers
2008-01-03 08:32 < bumm13> TheWeasel: and haven't since 1993
2008-01-03 08:32 < TheWeasel> Eh, I didn't get MTV until 1995-ish
2008-01-03 08:33 < TheWeasel> and even then it was in English
2008-01-03 08:33 < bumm13> I just watched a clip of it on youtube with a performance by Circle Jerks
2008-01-03 08:33 < TheWeasel> which I wasnt proficient in
2008-01-03 08:33 < TheWeasel> great
2008-01-03 08:33 < TheWeasel> Well, gotta support your local unknown bands!
2008-01-03 08:33 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 08:33 < bumm13> the show was on a UHF station in Los Angeles but segments were shown on another old cable TV show called [[Night Flight]]
2008-01-03 08:34 < bumm13> (on USA Network)
2008-01-03 08:34 < bumm13> that UHF station now shows Asian progamming :x
2008-01-03 08:34 < TheWeasel> the best radio show on Berlin radio is called Night Flight
2008-01-03 08:34 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-03 08:34 < TheWeasel> hah
2008-01-03 08:34 < bumm13> [[Night Flight (TV series)]]
2008-01-03 08:36 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-03 08:36 < bumm13> it showed strange and uncensored music videos, the New Wave Theatre segments I already mentioned, Church of Subgenius miscellany, video graphics clips, 50s civic propaganda and all sorts of oddities :-)
2008-01-03 08:36 * TheWeasel finds that Clinton won only 3% in Iowa in 1992! Take that to heart, Joe Biden.
2008-01-03 08:36 < bumm13> (in the wee hours)
2008-01-03 08:36 < TheWeasel> bumm13: Odd. They seemed to have been aware of Usenet then?
2008-01-03 08:36 < bumm13> eh, probably not
2008-01-03 08:37 < TheWeasel> But that's fun, the punk art you can sell to nobody
2008-01-03 08:37 < bumm13> this was 1981-84 (probably its heydey)
2008-01-03 08:37 < bumm13> very interesting cult appeal, to be sure
2008-01-03 08:38 < TheWeasel> yea.
2008-01-03 08:38 < TheWeasel> those pockets are hard to find in a consolidated media market like ours.
2008-01-03 08:38 < TheWeasel> nowadays
2008-01-03 08:39 < bumm13> I guess they also showed clips of influential 70s rock bands like Black Sabbath, Kiss, Pink Floyd, etc.
2008-01-03 08:39 < bumm13> just a big hodgepodge
2008-01-03 08:39 < Submarine> NotACow, how about CompUSA ?
2008-01-03 08:39 < TheWeasel> and since the effective end of pirate radio stations
2008-01-03 08:39 < bumm13> they just went under
2008-01-03 08:39 < bumm13> (bankrupt)
2008-01-03 08:39 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-03 08:39 < Submarine> CompUSA went under?
2008-01-03 08:39 < bumm13> yep
2008-01-03 08:40 < TheWeasel> it's like the county seat-size theater I used to go to, they staged extremely good plays for their size
2008-01-03 08:40 < TheWeasel> but they also had to stage musicals and that stuff to be financially viable
2008-01-03 08:40 < TheWeasel> and parties and stuff
2008-01-03 08:41 < TheWeasel> I think things like this are too significant to let them die just because of a sense of artistic orthodoxy
2008-01-03 08:41 < zocky> TheWeasel, the sort of parties with long tables and long benches and rows of germans with arms on their neighbours' shoulders, swaying left and right?
2008-01-03 08:42 < bumm13> these concert clips even show the lead singers drinking booze :D
2008-01-03 08:42 < TheWeasel> we're not a carnival area
2008-01-03 08:42 < TheWeasel> more like "the local trade union gettogether"
2008-01-03 08:42 < zocky> ah, so beer, more beer and an occasional fist fight?
2008-01-03 08:42 < TheWeasel> it's a poor area, ya know
2008-01-03 08:42 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-03 08:43 < TheWeasel> more like
2008-01-03 08:43 * Submarine never understood US trade unions
2008-01-03 08:43 < zocky> they have trade unions in US?
2008-01-03 08:43 < bumm13> zocky: well, the lead singer of Fear took a swig of something like whiskey
2008-01-03 08:43 * zocky knows they do
2008-01-03 08:43 < zocky> it's just that I never understood them either
2008-01-03 08:44 < TheWeasel> And they don't ENDORSE EDWARDS NEARLY STRONGLY ENOUGH!
2008-01-03 08:44 < bumm13> the Circle Jerks clip shows Keith Morris with a can of Heineken in one hand
2008-01-03 08:44 < NotACow> Submarine: compusa is gone, dude.
2008-01-03 08:44 < Submarine> HOLY COW
2008-01-03 08:44 < NotACow> Submarine: i think they shut down a few weeks ago
2008-01-03 08:44 < TheWeasel> Heineken (nowadays at least, I do remember better days) is a ladies' beer
2008-01-03 08:44 < bumm13> NotACow: yeah, I mentioned that they went under
2008-01-03 08:44 < Submarine> They sell these things here at the same price in EUR as the US price in USD.
2008-01-03 08:44 < zocky> bumm13, I even saw videos where people smoke on stage! *gasp*
2008-01-03 08:45 < bumm13> zomg! ;)
2008-01-03 08:45 < NotACow> Submarine: perhaps that's why they went down :)
2008-01-03 08:45 < bumm13> I read that they were badly mismanaged
2008-01-03 08:45 < bumm13> (no huge shocker, I suppose)
2008-01-03 08:45 < Submarine> NotACow, I'm talking of Nokia
2008-01-03 08:45 < TheWeasel> eh, Germany is going all "the common good" right now
2008-01-03 08:45 < TheWeasel> so smokers are persecuted
2008-01-03 08:45 < zocky> btw, our theatre actors are threatening that they'll start smoking marijuana on stage, because smoking tobacco in enclosed public spaces is now illegal, and they hate the herb cigarettes they have to smoke now
2008-01-03 08:45 < bumm13> bleh
2008-01-03 08:46 < Submarine> Smoking has now been totally outlawed in cafés, restaurants and other places accessible to the public, in France (except in special areas where basically only smoking is allowed).
2008-01-03 08:46 < TheWeasel> it makes no sense in America to ban smoking, you don't even have socialized healthcare
2008-01-03 08:46 < zocky> Submarine, how about theatre stage?
2008-01-03 08:46 < Submarine> s/places/enclosed places/
2008-01-03 08:46 < Submarine> zocky, In theory it is prohibited.
2008-01-03 08:46 < TheWeasel> zocky: I've read about people being arrested after smoking onstage
2008-01-03 08:47 < zocky> it's just idiotic
2008-01-03 08:47 < Submarine> zocky, In practice I suspect that until somebody sues, nothing will happen.
2008-01-03 08:47 < TheWeasel> here they do it because "people aren't going to pay for your lung surgery unless they absolutely have to"
2008-01-03 08:48 < zocky> they had inspectors issue fines here, so we've had a demonstration that it's illegal
2008-01-03 08:49 < Submarine> I really don't see the French government sending law enforcement into theaters to witness actors smoking.
2008-01-03 08:49 * TheWeasel fully agrees with people not smoking over food
2008-01-03 08:49 < TheWeasel> but come on, pubs?
2008-01-03 08:49 < mavhk> if you want to smoke do it where you won't bother anybody
2008-01-03 08:49 < Submarine> prohibited
2008-01-03 08:49 < mavhk> like Peru
2008-01-03 08:49 < TheWeasel> I've seen elaborate forms of dodging the ban in London
2008-01-03 08:50 < NotACow> illinois is officially nonsmoking now
2008-01-03 08:51 < Submarine> I actually do not know how far they'll enforce the ban in France.
2008-01-03 08:51 < TheWeasel> Seriously, if I was younger, I'd smoke ostentatiously as a form of protest.
2008-01-03 08:51 < Submarine> Previous experience showed that the law was largely unenforced.
2008-01-03 08:51 < mavhk> what are you protesting about, living too long?
2008-01-03 08:51 < NotACow> the state has indicated that they intend to enforce the law.
2008-01-03 08:51 < Submarine> However, since the election of our Great Leader, things may be different.
2008-01-03 08:51 < TheWeasel> no, it's not about the smoking part
2008-01-03 08:51 < NotACow> illegal smokers will be arrested.
2008-01-03 08:51 < bumm13> damn, I didn't know that Michael Richards was on the old ABC sketch-comedy show Fridays
2008-01-03 08:51 < TheWeasel> my general apathy will help me quit at will
2008-01-03 08:52 * bumm13 just learned that it *was* a sketch comedy show :P
2008-01-03 08:52 < TheWeasel> it's about protesting the nannification of this place
2008-01-03 08:52 < TheWeasel> which is getting worse than ever
2008-01-03 08:52 < mavhk> which place?
2008-01-03 08:52 < bumm13> "February 20 (1980) - Comedian Andy Kaufman ruins sketches and starts a brawl live on the air during ABC's Fridays."
2008-01-03 08:52 < TheWeasel> Germany
2008-01-03 08:52 < bumm13> lol
2008-01-03 08:52 < Submarine> the US to me gives me a weird impression of a mix of extreme nannification and freedom
2008-01-03 08:52 < Submarine> it's fairly weird
2008-01-03 08:53 < mavhk> it's just whoever lobbies loudest/profitablist
2008-01-03 08:53 < TheWeasel> Yea, you can shoot at shit, but you can't have a beer.
2008-01-03 08:53 < bumm13> er, *1981
2008-01-03 08:53 < TheWeasel> What about Mr. Coors? He should have influence these days
2008-01-03 08:53 < Submarine> TheWeasel, not only that
2008-01-03 08:53 < mavhk> I should be able to murder whomever I like, damn nanny state
2008-01-03 08:54 < Submarine> by law, in California at least, they have to display a warning in gasoline station that the station delivers chemicals that may be harmful
2008-01-03 08:54 < Submarine> I mean come on and be serious
2008-01-03 08:54 < bumm13> oh, it was staged ;p
2008-01-03 08:54 < NotACow> Submarine: california has lots of funny rules
2008-01-03 08:54 < NotACow> "This product contains tin, a substance known to the state of California to cause cancer."
2008-01-03 08:54 < Submarine> in Oregon, they force you to get served at the gas pump
2008-01-03 08:54 < TheWeasel> Germany is reasonably free, but they do mind what I read and whether that may be harmful for my political attitude
2008-01-03 08:54 < TheWeasel> (which is fairly well in line with the constitution)
2008-01-03 08:55 < Submarine> and of course there's that intrusive anti-alcohol stuff
2008-01-03 08:55 < bumm13> Submarine: they do :P
2008-01-03 08:55 * NotACow prohibits TheWeasel from reading Dianetics
2008-01-03 08:55 < Submarine> like, just in case I'm 20 in reality, I have to show an ID
2008-01-03 08:55 < Submarine> you know
2008-01-03 08:55 < bumm13> Oregon has some weird state laws
2008-01-03 08:55 < Submarine> if I was stupid enough to drink and drive
2008-01-03 08:55 < NotACow> you have to show ID to buy Sudafed.
2008-01-03 08:55 < Submarine> because, see, if I was a 20 year old citizen, I could get the death penalty if I killed somebody, but I'm irresponsible enough to have a beer
2008-01-03 08:56 < TheWeasel> it would almost have been forbidden to protest Nazis by displaying crossed-out swastikas
2008-01-03 08:56 < TheWeasel> that was overturned though, not even on constitutional grounds
2008-01-03 08:56 < TheWeasel> which is nice
2008-01-03 08:56 < NotACow> and if you buy more than 96 tablets in 24 hours, you can Be Investigated.
2008-01-03 08:56 * TheWeasel has never bought any such medication except where forcecd
2008-01-03 08:56 < TheWeasel> -c