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2008-01-01 23:47 < Mahlzahn_> Schroeder2: seeing you are in chan #philosophy, I figured you might know.
2008-01-01 23:47 < NotACow> EEEK!
2008-01-01 23:47 < Leslie_S> Schroeder2, walmart lets people "save money" and "live better" by screwing suppliers and employess....
2008-01-01 23:47 < NotACow> FEAR THE DIRCBOT
2008-01-01 23:47 < Leslie_S> Schroeder2, this reduces wages of affected companies, and walmart wages are pretty damn low.
2008-01-01 23:47 < bumm13> that's correct
2008-01-01 23:47 < Schroeder2> Leslie_S: so?
2008-01-01 23:47 < Schroeder2> it's not like anyone's holding a gun to anyone's head
2008-01-01 23:47 < Leslie_S> Schroeder2, you dont see a problem with this?
2008-01-01 23:47 < Kieff> is 8/P Tuttle visible from the south hemisphere?
2008-01-01 23:47 < NotACow> walmart encourages people to make toys out of lead.
2008-01-01 23:47 < bumm13> don't argue with him
2008-01-01 23:47 < bjweeks> Leslie_S: walmart products are shit, they don't help anybody live better
2008-01-01 23:48 < MrZ-man> see [[living wage]]
2008-01-01 23:48 < bumm13> he's an objectivist wank
2008-01-01 23:48 < Leslie_S> Schroeder2, walmart helps people by totally fucking others.
2008-01-01 23:48 < Leslie_S> Schroeder2, its pretty obvious.
2008-01-01 23:48 < bjweeks> Leslie_S: yeah, like the people in china...
2008-01-01 23:48 < Leslie_S> MrZ-man, if walmart paid a living wage theyd have to raise prices.
2008-01-01 23:48 < NotACow> Leslie_S: schroeder has the morals of a limp rock. you might as well try to convince a snake not to eat bunnies.
2008-01-01 23:48 < Mahlzahn_> of course its like holding a gun to a head. You kill the competition, and then jack up the prices when they're gne
2008-01-01 23:48 < bumm13> Leslie_S: please stop engaging in economics talk with Schroeder2
2008-01-01 23:48 < Leslie_S> bjweeks, and the people in the store.
2008-01-01 23:48 < NotACow> BUNNIES
2008-01-01 23:48 < Leslie_S> bjweeks, and the people in the factory down the street, which is shutting down and moving to china.
2008-01-01 23:48 < NotACow> CUTE LITTLE BUNNIES
2008-01-01 23:48 < Pilotguy> "Just like that time Dick Cheney was a Wal*Mart greeter..."
2008-01-01 23:49 < MrZ-man> Leslie_S: and the shareholders would go crazy
2008-01-01 23:49 < Leslie_S> bumm13, who died and made you owner?
2008-01-01 23:49 < Pilotguy> Dick Cheney. "Go f*** yourself. Go f*** yourself. Go f*** yourself."
2008-01-01 23:49 < NotACow> Leslie_S: please
2008-01-01 23:49 < NotACow> don't talk to schroeder about economics, it gets really tedious
2008-01-01 23:49 < Pilotguy> bumm13 did.
2008-01-01 23:49 < Schroeder2> as the eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand proved, the selfish pursuit of private profit is the most moral goal an individual can pursue
2008-01-01 23:49 < bumm13> Leslie_S: it's a matter of keeping the channel temperature even :P
2008-01-01 23:49 < NotACow> see, there he goes
2008-01-01 23:49 < Schroeder2> NotACow: this isn't a question of economics; it's a question of moral principle
2008-01-01 23:49 < bjweeks> oh god
2008-01-01 23:49 < Pilotguy> Don't talk to Schroeder about anything.
2008-01-01 23:49 < Leslie_S> bumm13, im just so damn sorry.
2008-01-01 23:49 * Pilotguy huggles Leslie_S
2008-01-01 23:49 < Mahlzahn_> Ayn Rand ... "proved" uh huh
2008-01-01 23:50 < Leslie_S> once again, this proves that i dont work with the stupidest people on earth.
2008-01-01 23:50 < NotACow> ayn rand proved that some people are GREEDY and STUPID
2008-01-01 23:50 < Pilotguy> Leslie_S- Go work at COSTCO. >Much< better pay there :)
2008-01-01 23:50 < Schroeder2> NotACow: no, she proved that everyone SHOULD act that way
2008-01-01 23:50 < NotACow> Pilotguy: and they have bennies.
2008-01-01 23:50 < Leslie_S> Pilot_51, ive never seen a costco.
2008-01-01 23:50 < bjweeks> I love Costco
2008-01-01 23:50 < Schroeder2> ethical philosophy is normative, not descriptive
2008-01-01 23:50 < Schroeder2> well, everyone should act greedy
2008-01-01 23:50 < Schroeder2> greed is the opposite of stupidity
2008-01-01 23:50 < bjweeks> in before metaphysical
2008-01-01 23:50 < Pilotguy> Leslie_S- Yeah they're in the bigger cities :/
2008-01-01 23:50 < Pilotguy> Schroeder2- hush.
2008-01-01 23:51 < Leslie_S> Pilot_51, i have been to bigger cities, and have never seen one.
2008-01-01 23:51 < Mahlzahn_> I'll pass. thanks. Being greedy plays merry hell with my conscience.
2008-01-01 23:51 < Pilotguy> Schroeder2- Before I suddenly remember how to quiet you
2008-01-01 23:51 < Pilotguy> Leslie_S- Not even in Detroit?
2008-01-01 23:51 < MrZ-man> Costco was going to build a new store near me in Michigan, but the economy was too bad
2008-01-01 23:51 < NotACow> the pinnacle of greedy stupidity is people who think that being greedy is not being stupid.
2008-01-01 23:51 < Pilotguy> May'be they're not out there
2008-01-01 23:51 < Pilot_51> there's a costco not far from me in michigan
2008-01-01 23:51 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy, ive been to dearborn heights once, and didnt see one.
2008-01-01 23:51 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy, why do you assume that ive been to detroit, just because im in michigan?
2008-01-01 23:52 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy, chicago is WAY WAY WAY closer to me...
2008-01-01 23:52 * Pilotguy apologizes to Pilot_51 for having been involuntary dragged into said conversation
2008-01-01 23:52 < bumm13> Michigan does have a lot of decent-sized cities
2008-01-01 23:52 < Pilotguy> Leslie_S- I dunno, that's the only city I know of in Michigan
2008-01-01 23:52 < Pilotguy> Where they make those cars nobody buys or whatever
2008-01-01 23:52 < Pilot_51> i'm only about 20 miles from detroit and i've only been there twice for Tigers games
2008-01-01 23:52 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy, anyway, unless you consider dearborn heights detroit, ive never actually been there.
2008-01-01 23:53 < MrZ-man> the closest one to me is in Canada
2008-01-01 23:53 < bumm13> Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, Lansing, etc. etc.
2008-01-01 23:53 < Leslie_S> Pilot_51, they make those in canada, kentucky, and mexico.
2008-01-01 23:53 < Leslie_S> ive been to kalamazoo, never seen a costco.
2008-01-01 23:53 < NotACow> CANADIA
2008-01-01 23:53 < Leslie_S> i went to holt, near lansing, and never saw a costco.
2008-01-01 23:53 < Leslie_S> holt isnt anything special though.
2008-01-01 23:53 < bumm13> maybe MI has none
2008-01-01 23:53 < Pilot_51> it does
2008-01-01 23:53 < Leslie_S> ive been to chicago and never seen one either
2008-01-01 23:53 < bjweeks> Costco started where I grew up, so I've been going there since I was a kid
2008-01-01 23:53 * Pilotguy guesses NotACow hasn't seen one either then
2008-01-01 23:54 < NotACow> i think our costco membership is expired
2008-01-01 23:54 < bumm13> companies put locations in odd mixes of places sometimes
2008-01-01 23:54 < NotACow> Pilotguy: i've been to three different costcos in the chicagoland area.
2008-01-01 23:54 < [Party]> bumm13
2008-01-01 23:54 < [Party]> you there
2008-01-01 23:54 < MrZ-man> there's some in Michigan
2008-01-01 23:54 < Leslie_S> i wish i could get a full time job that paid me a livable wage
2008-01-01 23:54 < Leslie_S> :(
2008-01-01 23:54 < Pilotguy> Leslie_S- Ooh, I know where Kalamazoo is
2008-01-01 23:54 < MrZ-man> 9 within 50 miles of me
2008-01-01 23:54 < NotACow> Leslie_S: you're like 22 and have no kids. your living wage is about $7/hour
2008-01-01 23:54 < MrZ-man> but only 1 within 20
2008-01-01 23:54 < Leslie_S> NotACow, ....
2008-01-01 23:54 < Pilotguy> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Costco&near=&sll=42.012571,-86.44043&sspn=1.004024,2.768555&ie=UTF8&z=8&om=1
2008-01-01 23:55 < Pilotguy> Or you could work at Target
2008-01-01 23:55 * NotACow makes more than $7 an hour.
2008-01-01 23:55 < Leslie_S> NotACow, i dont have fuel and insurance and vehicle maintenance and food and medical expenses? and im getting ready to move, which means ill have rent, utilities....
2008-01-01 23:55 < bumm13> there are six Costco locations in the Detroit metro area
2008-01-01 23:55 < bumm13> (according to their website)
2008-01-01 23:55 < Leslie_S> NotACow, i make more than $7 an hour too. infact, if i made what i make now and had a full time job, id be OK.
2008-01-01 23:55 < bumm13> five in the U.S., one in Windsor, ON
2008-01-01 23:55 < NotACow> Leslie_S: twenty-somethings have no medical expenses unless they're into extreme sports.
2008-01-01 23:56 < Leslie_S> NotACow, barely making it, but OK.
2008-01-01 23:56 < MrZ-man> most are north and west of Detroit, I'm south
2008-01-01 23:56 < Leslie_S> NotACow, im not transsexual?
2008-01-01 23:56 < bumm13> (none in the actual city of Detroit)
2008-01-01 23:56 < Leslie_S> NotACow, i dont have emergencies?
2008-01-01 23:56 < bumm13> MrZ-man: yes
2008-01-01 23:56 < Pilotguy> Sounds like WMF
2008-01-01 23:56 < NotACow> Leslie_S: no, you don't
2008-01-01 23:56 < bumm13> Livonia has the most with 2 stores
2008-01-01 23:56 < MrZ-man> there's one in Toledo
2008-01-01 23:56 < Leslie_S> NotACow, transsexualism is expensive, as you know.
2008-01-01 23:56 < NotACow> i was in toledo once.
2008-01-01 23:56 < NotACow> Leslie_S: really? it costs me about $70 a month
2008-01-01 23:57 * Pilotguy wouldn't have emergencies if "pilot" was omitted from his name
2008-01-01 23:57 * NotACow sets Pilotguy on fire.
2008-01-01 23:57 < SNORLAX> then you'd be just zis guy, you know?
2008-01-01 23:57 < Leslie_S> NotACow, thats a lot to someone who barely has any money.
2008-01-01 23:57 < Pilotguy> hehe
2008-01-01 23:57 < Leslie_S> NotACow, why do i even bother to talk to you?
2008-01-01 23:57 < Pilotguy> SNORLAX- indeed.
2008-01-01 23:57 < NotACow> Leslie_S: i suppose. it's about the same as my EVDO card.
2008-01-01 23:57 < Leslie_S> NotACow, im just going to ignore you again.
2008-01-01 23:57 < Pilotguy> [Party]- Is there something we can help you with?
2008-01-01 23:57 < bumm13> Grand Rapids area has 2 (one is in Wyoming, MI)
2008-01-01 23:57 < NotACow> Leslie_S: then again, i make $70 in about two hours.
2008-01-01 23:57 < Pilotguy> Leslie_S- You can't, she's unignorable ;)
2008-01-01 23:58 < ancjr> why does my cat insist on sitting on top of my head
2008-01-01 23:58 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy, ive ignored her before.
2008-01-01 23:58 < Leslie_S> i cant stand the bitch.
2008-01-01 23:58 < Pilotguy> ancjr- Because it finds said head to be comfortable
2008-01-01 23:58 < NotACow> 09:06 <NotACow> because i'm your worst enemy now.
2008-01-01 23:58 < Pilotguy> Leslie_S- Now now, be nice
2008-01-01 23:58 < ancjr> haha
2008-01-01 23:58 < NotACow> oops.
2008-01-01 23:58 < NotACow> why did i paste that/
2008-01-01 23:58 < ancjr> i have a warm flat head
2008-01-01 23:58 < NotACow> YAY
2008-01-01 23:58 < NotACow> FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!
2008-01-01 23:58 < bumm13> (hmm, none right-near Kalamazoo)
2008-01-01 23:58 < Pilotguy> ancjr- My puppy does that to me
2008-01-01 23:58 < ancjr> lolz
2008-01-01 23:59 < [Party]> just fuck it
2008-01-01 23:59 < Pilotguy> Alrighty then!
2008-01-01 23:59 < bumm13> (nor near Lansing)
2008-01-01 23:59 < ancjr> now if it were a st bernard, i'd be concerned
2008-01-01 23:59 < NotACow> Pilotguy: yay, i'm a bitch
2008-01-01 23:59 < bjweeks> off topic channel is ooooooffffff topic
2008-01-01 23:59 < Pilotguy> bjweeks- {{sofixit}} ;)
2008-01-02 00:00 < NotACow> TOPICS SUCK
2008-01-02 00:00 < NotACow> DEATH TO TOPICS
2008-01-02 00:00 < NotACow> DEATH TO POOT
2008-01-02 00:00 < NotACow> POOT TO DEATH
2008-01-02 00:00 < NotACow> MOO
2008-01-02 00:00 < ancjr> meow
2008-01-02 00:00 < NotACow> !admin WASH MY CAR BIATCH
2008-01-02 00:00 < Pilotguy> erm wow that's the shortest topic I've ever seen
2008-01-02 00:00 < Neskaya> GRR at the !admin
2008-01-02 00:00 < Neskaya> It pings me.
2008-01-02 00:00 * NotACow giggles
2008-01-02 00:00 < Pilotguy> !admin pings you, you say?
2008-01-02 00:00 * MrZ-man makes NotACow into NotASteak
2008-01-02 00:01 < SNORLAX> !sudo delete [[glomp]]
2008-01-02 00:01 < Leslie_S> public logging -> public flogging
2008-01-02 00:02 < bjweeks> SNORLAX: what the hell
2008-01-02 00:03 < Leslie_S> SNORLAX, rofl.
2008-01-02 00:03 < SNORLAX> do it now
2008-01-02 00:04 < bjweeks> somebody need to move it to "Weeaboo hugging"
2008-01-02 00:04 < SNORLAX> Glomping may also mow a recipient down at times, as the recipient may have given permission, but may be unprepared for the glomp's intensity. Glomping can be very unpleasant if the person on the receiving end does not agree, it can be even worse when glomped from behind.
2008-01-02 00:04 < bjweeks> "glomped from behind"
2008-01-02 00:05 < Neskaya> Pilotguy, yes? GR.
2008-01-02 00:06 < NotACow> whee
2008-01-02 00:06 < NotACow> my fire is very hot
2008-01-02 00:08 < The359> it's not cold?
2008-01-02 00:08 * Pilotguy waits for the_giver to give him something
2008-01-02 00:09 < NotACow> not even remotely cold
2008-01-02 00:09 < NotACow> GIN POOT
2008-01-02 00:09 < kohwj> hi, does anyone know where the source code for wikia search is?
2008-01-02 00:10 < NotACow> kohwj: in a safe somewhere?
2008-01-02 00:10 < bumm13> this isn't #wikia
2008-01-02 00:10 < Leslie_S> WEEABO SPLASH! FOR THE MAN WHO SHAVE HIS WEEABOS!
2008-01-02 00:10 < NotACow> DOOBIE DOOBIE
2008-01-02 00:10 < kohwj> bumm13: thanks
2008-01-02 00:11 < NotACow> MONKATHON
2008-01-02 00:11 < bumm13> no problem
2008-01-02 00:14 < bittin> Hi
2008-01-02 00:15 < Mahlzahn_> gnight all
2008-01-02 00:15 < NotACow> ATTACK OF THE KILLER KILLER
2008-01-02 00:15 < NotACow> !admin please fluff my pillow
2008-01-02 00:15 * Mahlzahn_ vanishes *poof*
2008-01-02 00:16 < UninvitedCompany> Leslie_S under what name do you edit Wikipedia?
2008-01-02 00:16 < Leslie_S> UninvitedCompany, why are you asking?
2008-01-02 00:16 < Leslie_S> UninvitedCompany, i havent used my account in ages. the captcha bugs me.
2008-01-02 00:16 < UninvitedCompany> Just curious?
2008-01-02 00:16 < Leslie_S> UninvitedCompany, stephanie.
2008-01-02 00:16 < Leslie_S> UninvitedCompany, previously phroziac. we've met.
2008-01-02 00:17 < Pilotguy> Ooh
2008-01-02 00:17 * Pilotguy thought that name sounded familar
2008-01-02 00:17 < bjweeks> lol abuse of eD
2008-01-02 00:17 < Pilotguy> I think you banned me from this channel once
2008-01-02 00:18 < Leslie_S> i used to be an op here, if you were talking to me.
2008-01-02 00:18 < Leslie_S> and i used to ban a lot of people.
2008-01-02 00:18 < Pilotguy> Sounds like ST47
2008-01-02 00:18 < Leslie_S> I chose to not be an op after the channel management decided that it would prefer to have mostly morons for ops. :p
2008-01-02 00:19 < Pilotguy> Unlike him, of course, you probably didn't ban people for, say, being sarcastic
2008-01-02 00:19 * NotACow snickers
2008-01-02 00:19 < Pilotguy> Leslie_S- good point!
2008-01-02 00:19 < bjweeks> everybody seems to hates ST47 lately
2008-01-02 00:19 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy, only if i was really pissed off
2008-01-02 00:19 < Leslie_S> Pilotguy, the ban hammer comes down harder when im pissed.
2008-01-02 00:20 < bittin> lol
2008-01-02 00:20 < Pilotguy> heh
2008-01-02 00:20 < bittin> iam random reading swedish wikipedia =P
2008-01-02 00:20 < Leslie_S> i shouldve stayed an op. maybe then i wouldnt get banned repeatedly.
2008-01-02 00:20 < Leslie_S> hell, the other day i literally got banned for NOTHING.
2008-01-02 00:20 < Leslie_S> usually when i get banned i atleast did SOMETHING.
2008-01-02 00:20 < Pilotguy> By ST47? :)
2008-01-02 00:20 < Leslie_S> i dont remember
2008-01-02 00:21 < Leslie_S> but i pmed the op and politely told him that he was an f-ing idiot.
2008-01-02 00:21 < Leslie_S> and then he offered to unban me.
2008-01-02 00:21 < Pilotguy> Okay, it wasn't him then
2008-01-02 00:21 < Leslie_S> I didnt really care about getting unbanned. i mean, mark_ryan would have unbanned me anyway, but to be honest, i was ready to just permanently leave.
2008-01-02 00:21 < Pilotguy> :(
2008-01-02 00:21 < Leslie_S> im not appreciated here, or treated well here. but i have friends here. ;/
2008-01-02 00:22 < Pilotguy> NotACow would've too, and taken away said op, had she not been let go
2008-01-02 00:22 < Pilotguy> Under the most strange circumstances...
2008-01-02 00:22 < Lubaf> Who is the celebrity you'd most like to see stabbed in the face repeatedly with a dull machete?
2008-01-02 00:22 < NotACow> "I ate in the bathroom"
2008-01-02 00:22 < Leslie_S> UninvitedCompany, oh, and apparently im not identified to nickserv, so my replies to your PM didnt go through because freenode is retarded.
2008-01-02 00:23 < Leslie_S> UninvitedCompany, it was a pretty rude and banworthy response though, to be honest.
2008-01-02 00:23 < Lubaf> Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears do not count as celebrities for the purposes of the above question.
2008-01-02 00:23 < Leslie_S> UninvitedCompany, of course, it would be pretty shady to ban for a PM anyway, but...heh.
2008-01-02 00:23 < NotACow> Lubaf: what question?
2008-01-02 00:23 < Leslie_S> Lubaf, lindsay lohan
2008-01-02 00:23 < Lubaf> NotACow: Who is the celebrity you'd most like to see stabbed in the face repeatedly with a dull machete?
2008-01-02 00:23 < NotACow> Lubaf: oh. i didn't see that.
2008-01-02 00:24 < Lubaf> Leslie_S: Also not a celebrity for the purposes of this conversation.
2008-01-02 00:25 < Lubaf> For the purposes of this conversation, if you've been photographed exposing your genitalia in public, you're not a celebrity.
2008-01-02 00:25 < Pilotguy> He's finally gone
2008-01-02 00:25 < Leslie_S> Lubaf, i didnt realize that lindsay did that.
2008-01-02 00:25 < bjweeks> she will...
2008-01-02 00:25 < Leslie_S> Lubaf, janet jackson
2008-01-02 00:25 < Leslie_S> Lubaf, boobs are not genitals.
2008-01-02 00:26 < NotACow> wanna see my boobs?
2008-01-02 00:26 < Lubaf> Who is the male celebrity you'd most like to see stabbed in the face repeatedly with a dull machete?
2008-01-02 00:26 < bjweeks> Tom Cruise
2008-01-02 00:26 < Leslie_S> Lubaf, michael jackson
2008-01-02 00:27 < Leslie_S> Lubaf, Tom Cruise, inventor of the Hovaround (the fucking commercials piss me off!)
2008-01-02 00:27 < ronabop> Dick Cheney?
2008-01-02 00:27 < Leslie_S> dick is not a celebrity
2008-01-02 00:27 < bjweeks> Dick is a dick
2008-01-02 00:27 < Leslie_S> and how about we exclude politicians who have had convenient hunting accidents?
2008-01-02 00:29 < bjweeks> this would be more fun with wikipedians, then we could give them the knife barnstar
2008-01-02 00:29 < Schroeder2> NNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-01-02 00:30 < ronabop> A knife barnstar, a candelabra barnstar, a rope barnstar....
2008-01-02 00:30 * ronabop trues to get a Clue(tm)
2008-01-02 00:30 < ronabop> *tries, even
2008-01-02 00:30 < Leslie_S> how about a suicide barnstar
2008-01-02 00:30 < bjweeks> large tank barnstar
2008-01-02 00:31 < rhett> is there a channel for the new search engine?
2008-01-02 00:31 < Schroeder2> you just got eaten by a grue
2008-01-02 00:31 < bjweeks> #failure or #spam
2008-01-02 00:31 < Pilotguy> ...
2008-01-02 00:31 * Grue eats Pilot_51
2008-01-02 00:32 * bumm13 sics the Wumpus on Grue
2008-01-02 00:33 < ronabop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Grue
2008-01-02 00:33 < Leslie_S> nice, apparently im permanently banned from tssupport.
2008-01-02 00:33 < Pilotguy> :(
2008-01-02 00:33 < Leslie_S> arent i just such a horrible person
2008-01-02 00:34 < Pilotguy> :'(
2008-01-02 00:34 < Leslie_S> what a bunch of freaks
2008-01-02 00:36 < Grue> ronabop: oooh, I think I like this guy
2008-01-02 00:36 < Grue> he gets that deletion is vandalism
2008-01-02 00:38 < bjweeks> Grue: it is?
2008-01-02 00:39 < Grue> yes
2008-01-02 00:39 < Grue> everything that has a verifiable existence should have an article
2008-01-02 00:39 < Grue> deleting those articles is vandalism
2008-01-02 00:39 < Leslie_S> ...
2008-01-02 00:40 < bjweeks> I'm verifiable...
2008-01-02 00:40 < Grue> bjweeks: then there should be an article on you
2008-01-02 00:40 < FastLizard4> What, User:Grue actually exists?
2008-01-02 00:40 < Leslie_S> and verifiable includes people who you have to call someone to confirm their existance?
2008-01-02 00:40 < Grue> FastLizard4: he's not me
2008-01-02 00:40 < FastLizard4> ...
2008-01-02 00:40 < Grue> Leslie_S: sure, why not?
2008-01-02 00:40 < bjweeks> ...
2008-01-02 00:40 < Leslie_S> and things that people posted a one line blog entry on?
2008-01-02 00:40 < Grue> NOR is a bad idea
2008-01-02 00:40 < Grue> it neeeds to go
2008-01-02 00:40 < Grue> Leslie_S: yes, of course
2008-01-02 00:40 < Leslie_S> Grue, because that means almost everyone on earth is verifiable.
2008-01-02 00:40 < ronabop> Indiscriminate removal of information, indiscriminate removal of ....
2008-01-02 00:41 < Leslie_S> Grue, you can call my employer and verify my exsitance.
2008-01-02 00:41 < Grue> Leslie_S: precisely
2008-01-02 00:41 < bjweeks> 6 billion articles... on people...
2008-01-02 00:41 < Grue> Leslie_S: then you should have an article
2008-01-02 00:41 < FastLizard4> [citation needed]
2008-01-02 00:41 < Leslie_S> Grue, theres nothing remotely interesting about me.
2008-01-02 00:41 < ronabop> NOT:PAPER
2008-01-02 00:41 < FastLizard4> PAPER!
2008-01-02 00:41 < Grue> Leslie_S: so what?
2008-01-02 00:41 < Grue> you exist
2008-01-02 00:41 < Leslie_S> Grue, thats exactly the kind of article that should be deleted.
2008-01-02 00:41 < Grue> that's enough
2008-01-02 00:41 < Grue> Leslie_S: wrong
2008-01-02 00:41 < Leslie_S> Grue, why should an articlle about me exist? ive never DONE ANYTHING that anyone would ever want to read about.
2008-01-02 00:41 * ronabop checks his Ghits and giggle
2008-01-02 00:41 < FastLizard4> Grue: Wait 'till #uncyclopedia hears about this one...
2008-01-02 00:41 < Grue> flibbertigibbet: How do you solve a problem like Maria?
2008-01-02 00:41 < Grue> Leslie_S: because you exist
2008-01-02 00:41 < ronabop> *giggles
2008-01-02 00:42 < Leslie_S> Grue, sigh.
2008-01-02 00:42 < FastLizard4> How do you know we exist and that we are not figments of each others' imagination?
2008-01-02 00:42 < flibbertigibbet> Mmmm, Mariaahhh
2008-01-02 00:42 < FastLizard4> *Big Brother is watching you*
2008-01-02 00:42 < Grue> and the purpose of an encyclopedia is to be a compendium of all knowledge
2008-01-02 00:42 < Grue> FastLizard4: dude, solipsism is douchebaggery
2008-01-02 00:42 < bjweeks> Grue: I've put at least 20 pages for deletion, I'm a vandal!
2008-01-02 00:42 < Leslie_S> im going to go create an article on 2001 pennies.
2008-01-02 00:42 < Grue> bjweeks: yes, you are
2008-01-02 00:42 < FastLizard4> "solipsism"?
2008-01-02 00:42 < FastLizard4> Don't you mean "socialism"?
2008-01-02 00:42 < Grue> no
2008-01-02 00:42 < Grue> well
2008-01-02 00:42 < Grue> socialism is douchebaggery too
2008-01-02 00:43 < bjweeks> Grue: awesome, being a vandal rocks
2008-01-02 00:43 < FastLizard4> X-D
2008-01-02 00:43 < Grue> but it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand
2008-01-02 00:43 < Leslie_S> im going to go create an article on goodyear viva 24x5 tires.
2008-01-02 00:43 < Grue> solipsism, however, does
2008-01-02 00:43 < Grue> Leslie_S: great
2008-01-02 00:43 < FastLizard4> Vandal? Where? WHERE?!
2008-01-02 00:43 < Grue> bjweeks: you should be indef blocked
2008-01-02 00:43 * FastLizard4 looks for vandal
2008-01-02 00:43 < bjweeks> I'm going to go vandalize some pages now
2008-01-02 00:43 * FastLizard4 goes to AIV to report bjweeks
2008-01-02 00:43 < Crimedog> im going to create an article on 2001 penises
2008-01-02 00:43 < Leslie_S> Grue, how about one on the EasyCut brand boxcutter?
2008-01-02 00:43 < bjweeks> using my {{prod}} and {{afd}} vandal tools
2008-01-02 00:43 < Leslie_S> Grue, and walmart's boxcutter policy?
2008-01-02 00:43 < Grue> Leslie_S: sure
2008-01-02 00:43 * FastLizard4 reports bjweeks to ANI
2008-01-02 00:44 < FastLizard4> (yes, I know what you said)
2008-01-02 00:44 < Leslie_S> Grue, and how about we create seperate articles for each of my body parts.
2008-01-02 00:44 < Grue> sounds great
2008-01-02 00:44 < FastLizard4> Leslie_S: ...
2008-01-02 00:44 < Grue> do it
2008-01-02 00:44 < bjweeks> Grue: my water exists, creates "bjweeks' water"
2008-01-02 00:44 * ronabop ponders writing an article on the state of his left toenail, at 7 am, this morning.
2008-01-02 00:44 < Grue> awesome
2008-01-02 00:44 < Leslie_S> Grue, what about an article on scott goehring, and why he had a sex change?
2008-01-02 00:44 < Grue> all for it
2008-01-02 00:44 * FastLizard4 can see it now: {{fact}} {{npov}} {{OR}} {{citations}} ...
2008-01-02 00:44 < Grue> FastLizard4: yeah, NOR is a shitty idea
2008-01-02 00:45 < Grue> there's NOTHING WRONG with original research
2008-01-02 00:45 < Grue> nothing at all
2008-01-02 00:45 < Leslie_S> Grue, what about an article on the hole in the muffler on my car?
2008-01-02 00:45 < FastLizard4> ...
2008-01-02 00:45 < Grue> Leslie_S: why not?
2008-01-02 00:45 < FastLizard4> Grune: OR: 2+2=5!
2008-01-02 00:45 < FastLizard4> Miracle!
2008-01-02 00:45 < Grue> FastLizard4: that's not a problem with original research
2008-01-02 00:45 < pengo> what's the channel for commons?
2008-01-02 00:45 < Grue> that's a problem with *SHODDY* research
2008-01-02 00:45 < Grue> original or not
2008-01-02 00:45 < Leslie_S> Grue, because all of those ideas are fucking retarded, thats why.
2008-01-02 00:45 < bjweeks> Grue: every how about for every piece of sand?
2008-01-02 00:45 < Grue> Leslie_S: no, they're not
2008-01-02 00:45 < Grue> they're part of knowledge
2008-01-02 00:45 < Grue> bjweeks: sure
2008-01-02 00:45 < bjweeks> LOL
2008-01-02 00:45 < ronabop> Falsehoods *are* verifiable from third party sources, happens all the time.
2008-01-02 00:45 * FastLizard4 hopes the NSA isn't listening...
2008-01-02 00:46 < Leslie_S> Grue, yes, every single one, especially the last two, are fucking retarded.
2008-01-02 00:46 < Grue> Leslie_S: incorrect
2008-01-02 00:46 < Grue> they're part of knowledge
2008-01-02 00:46 < Grue> and the purpose of an encyclopedia is to be a compendium of all knowledge
2008-01-02 00:46 < Leslie_S> Grue, yes, and the hole in my muffler is just the most useful information for everyone on earth.
2008-01-02 00:46 < FastLizard4> Leslie_S: Sure it is...
2008-01-02 00:46 < Grue> who it's useful or whether or not it's useful at all is irrelevant
2008-01-02 00:46 < Grue> all that matters is that it's KNOWLEDGE
2008-01-02 00:47 < bjweeks> Leslie_S' muffler {{npov}}
2008-01-02 00:47 < Leslie_S> .....
2008-01-02 00:47 < FastLizard4> KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
2008-01-02 00:47 * ronabop ponders Grue's stance on Gene Ray writing 30 articles a day
2008-01-02 00:47 < Leslie_S> bjweeks, its not a big hole. its still pretty quiet.
2008-01-02 00:47 < bjweeks> {{fact}}
2008-01-02 00:47 < pengo> does Wikipedia / Commons use accept the life+50 rule for public domain? http://www.copyrightwatch.ca/?p=49
2008-01-02 00:47 * FastLizard4 wonder what pretty flashing red button that reads "Launch Nuclear Missle" does
2008-01-02 00:47 < bjweeks> pengo: no, US law...
2008-01-02 00:48 < Leslie_S> pengo, it uses the US law.
2008-01-02 00:48 < Lubaf> Anybody here been subject to Loads and Loads of Loading?
2008-01-02 00:48 * FastLizard4 ...and notices that Missle is misspelled
2008-01-02 00:48 < Leslie_S> which is life+infinity
2008-01-02 00:48 < Leslie_S> right?
2008-01-02 00:48 < FastLizard4> Leslie_S: Not necessarily...
2008-01-02 00:48 * FastLizard4 notices wormhole
2008-01-02 00:49 < FastLizard4> pengo: I think so...
2008-01-02 00:49 < Leslie_S> FastLizard4, yes, unless its before the law was changed to be absolutely retarded.
2008-01-02 00:49 < NotACow> DEATH TO POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
2008-01-02 00:49 < Leslie_S> FastLizard4, which is the case for a lot of things, thankfully
2008-01-02 00:49 < FastLizard4> hehe
2008-01-02 00:49 < ronabop> I've seen loads of 160, attack ships on fire off the coast of my servers....
2008-01-02 00:50 < FastLizard4> ronabop: Are you looking at my userpage...
2008-01-02 00:50 < ronabop> Nope, should I be?
2008-01-02 00:51 < FastLizard4> No, I just saw what you wrote, it is reminiscent of something on my userpage
2008-01-02 00:51 < Leslie_S> bleh.
2008-01-02 00:51 < FastLizard4> [[User:FastLizard4]]
2008-01-02 00:51 < Leslie_S> im goign to get my ears pierced tomorrow
2008-01-02 00:51 < FastLizard4> is my userpage
2008-01-02 00:51 < Leslie_S> and i dont care what anyone says about it
2008-01-02 00:52 < Leslie_S> im sick of caring about what people think.
2008-01-02 00:52 < pengo> is project gutenburg life+70 too?
2008-01-02 00:53 < ronabop> *My* general feeling is that until mediawiki gets a ground-up re-write, we have to limit growth, and can't include any and everything. There's just no way we could scale for that load.
2008-01-02 00:53 < FastLizard4> pengo: Ask there, not here
2008-01-02 00:53 < FastLizard4> I'm really not sure
2008-01-02 00:53 < FastLizard4> NotACow: Death to poot?
2008-01-02 00:53 < pengo> i would but i don't know how to spell it :)
2008-01-02 00:53 < FastLizard4> Umm...
2008-01-02 00:53 < FastLizard4> hmm...
2008-01-02 00:53 < FastLizard4> bah, German
2008-01-02 00:54 < ronabop> ?
2008-01-02 00:54 < pengo> FastLizard4: i think they use US law too
2008-01-02 00:54 < ronabop> Leslie_S: In PDX, it's really hard to find people without piercings.
2008-01-02 00:54 < FastLizard4> pengo: in that case, yes
2008-01-02 00:55 < Leslie_S> ronabop, the thing is that my parents are morons and think im a guy and im getting both ears pierced
2008-01-02 00:55 < pengo> or not.. from the gutenberg faq: Whose law applies? When we distribute in the United States, U.S. law applies. When we distribute to other countries, their law applies. That is why Peter Pan is marked for US distribution only. It is public domain in the U.S. but not in the U.K.
2008-01-02 00:56 < bjweeks> Leslie_S: wait, they aren't sure of your sex?
2008-01-02 00:56 < pengo> if anyone's interested.. list of now PD authors and whatnot: http://www.copyrightwatch.ca/?p=49
2008-01-02 00:56 < Leslie_S> bjweeks, im transgender..
2008-01-02 00:56 < ronabop> Leslie may be of a different gender than sex. ;)
2008-01-02 00:56 < Leslie_S> my sex is only half different from my gender.
2008-01-02 00:57 < NotACow> poot!
2008-01-02 00:57 < NotACow> poot!
2008-01-02 00:58 < ronabop> Leslie_S: You legal age to make body modifications in your jurisdiction?
2008-01-02 00:58 < Leslie_S> ronabop, yup
2008-01-02 00:58 < ronabop> Well, there ya go. :)
2008-01-02 00:59 < Leslie_S> i hate worrying about what my parents will think about shit so much
2008-01-02 00:59 < Leslie_S> so im just gonna do it
2008-01-02 00:59 < ronabop> Do they know about your gender yet?
2008-01-02 00:59 < Leslie_S> yes.
2008-01-02 00:59 < Leslie_S> but...there shouldnt be anything wrong with a guy getting both ears pierced, anyway.
2008-01-02 00:59 < ronabop> What culture are you living in?
2008-01-02 01:00 < Leslie_S> ronabop, conservative america
2008-01-02 01:00 < ronabop> Guys walk around here with lips, noses, cheeks, lips, all docrated (pierced).
2008-01-02 01:00 < Leslie_S> same here.
2008-01-02 01:01 < Leslie_S> but oh my god, the gay ear!
2008-01-02 01:01 < Leslie_S> and since im actually bisexual, heh....
2008-01-02 01:01 < ronabop> *decorated, remove one lips instance
2008-01-02 01:01 < ronabop> "Gay Ear" is soooooo 1985.
2008-01-02 01:01 < Leslie_S> ronabop, my mom thinks that pimps use CB radios.
2008-01-02 01:02 < ronabop> LOLOL
2008-01-02 01:02 < Leslie_S> and that god created the earth.
2008-01-02 01:02 < bjweeks> pimps use cell phones...
2008-01-02 01:02 < Leslie_S> and that homosexuality is so horrible
2008-01-02 01:03 < Leslie_S> and that sex changes are so horrible
2008-01-02 01:03 < Leslie_S> and that only gays get aids
2008-01-02 01:03 < Leslie_S> and that people who get sex changes are child molestors
2008-01-02 01:03 < bjweeks> well that last one is just stupid
2008-01-02 01:04 < Mike_H> <Leslie_S> ronabop, my mom thinks that pimps use CB radios.
2008-01-02 01:04 < ronabop> So, they basically live in a bubble, insulated from reality.
2008-01-02 01:04 < Mike_H> WTF?
2008-01-02 01:04 < Mike_H> Does anyone use a CB radio after, like, 1979?
2008-01-02 01:04 < bjweeks> the others are mainly beliefs, getting AIDS is a fact
2008-01-02 01:04 < bjweeks> Mike_H: truckers
2008-01-02 01:04 < Leslie_S> Mike_H, i use one.
2008-01-02 01:04 < ronabop> bjweeks, huh?
2008-01-02 01:05 < Leslie_S> when i came out to my mom, she asked me if i was a child molestor
2008-01-02 01:05 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: My mother has taught me that if I meet someone at a bar and hook up with them, I'll always get AIDS because men are just sneaky like that and won't tell you the truth if you ask
2008-01-02 01:05 < ronabop> (On getting AIDS)
2008-01-02 01:05 < Leslie_S> and ARENT YOU WORRIED ABOUT GETTING AIDS?
2008-01-02 01:05 < Leslie_S> its like, ARENT YOU?
2008-01-02 01:05 < Mike_H> not that I WOULD just hook up with a guy from the bar, but she seems to think everyone at a bar has AIDS and will knowingly infect you because, well, gay men are just like that
2008-01-02 01:05 < FastLizard4> Good night, everyone
2008-01-02 01:05 < FastLizard4> Off to bed
2008-01-02 01:05 < bjweeks> ronabop: thinking being gay is bad is a belief, only gays getting AIDs is factually wrong
2008-01-02 01:06 < Leslie_S> Mike_H, i wish i could move, but it seems impossible.
2008-01-02 01:06 < Leslie_S> anyway, im going to go to bed.
2008-01-02 01:06 < Leslie_S> night
2008-01-02 01:06 < FastLizard4> Good night #wikipedia
2008-01-02 01:06 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: Hey
2008-01-02 01:06 < Mike_H> if Kyle can go on Top Model
2008-01-02 01:06 < Leslie_S> hey.
2008-01-02 01:06 < Mike_H> you can move
2008-01-02 01:06 < Mike_H> she was working at the Dairy Queen in Dexter, Michigan
2008-01-02 01:06 < Mike_H> and she hated that little town
2008-01-02 01:06 < Mike_H> and she got out
2008-01-02 01:06 < Mike_H> (for a while)
2008-01-02 01:07 < Leslie_S> Mike_H, is her life as totally fucked as mine?
2008-01-02 01:07 < ronabop> If you live in evil places, and can't change the place, change where you live.
2008-01-02 01:07 < Mike_H> She's not trying to become a woman, as she was born one
2008-01-02 01:07 < Mike_H> so no
2008-01-02 01:07 < Leslie_S> Mike_H, i dont know why i even bother.
2008-01-02 01:08 < Leslie_S> anyway, night.
2008-01-02 01:08 < Mike_H> night
2008-01-02 01:08 * ronabop ponders re-hashing Grue's inclusionist stance
2008-01-02 01:09 < bjweeks> Grue's stances are always pointless and unrealistic
2008-01-02 01:09 * Mike_H NP: Celine Dion - A New Day Has Come (2002)
2008-01-02 01:11 < Kieff> "Since an elevator cage and a skull are both solid objects, one had to give. Let's just say, the elevator won. Jessica will be missed by her family, but not by the gene pool."
2008-01-02 01:12 < Inke> ...That's both sad and funny. D:
2008-01-02 01:12 < Mike_H> Oh, lord
2008-01-02 01:12 < Mike_H> is that Darwin Awards?
2008-01-02 01:12 < bjweeks> I found that funny
2008-01-02 01:12 < Kieff> yep
2008-01-02 01:12 < Kieff> 2007 edition
2008-01-02 01:13 < bjweeks> I want a Bush edition
2008-01-02 01:13 < ronabop> "G.W." or "Out in the..." edition?
2008-01-02 01:14 < bjweeks> B.W.
2008-01-02 01:14 < bjweeks> G.W.*
2008-01-02 01:14 < Scottc> When is it okay to use a semicolon? aside from never?
2008-01-02 01:15 < bumm13> when separating phrases that would otherwise be (basically) a complete sentence
2008-01-02 01:16 < ronabop> Scottc: It's been my experience that semi-colon rules confuse people, so if they can be avoided, there's less edit warring.
2008-01-02 01:16 < bumm13> semicolons are kind of driven by context
2008-01-02 01:16 < Scottc> but... why would you want to seperate a complete sentence?
2008-01-02 01:17 < bumm13> it's hard to explain
2008-01-02 01:17 < Mike_H> Scottc: Two sentences may have the same basic idea.
2008-01-02 01:17 < Mike_H> If it's still the same thought
2008-01-02 01:17 < bumm13> yeah, that's it
2008-01-02 01:17 < Mike_H> but in two sentences
2008-01-02 01:17 * felix_the_cat scares Mike_H
2008-01-02 01:17 < Mike_H> semicolons would work.
2008-01-02 01:17 < felix_the_cat> >:D
2008-01-02 01:17 < Mike_H> AAAAAA
2008-01-02 01:17 < bumm13> "It binds two sentences more closely than they would be if separated by a full stop/period."
2008-01-02 01:17 * felix_the_cat jumps onto Mike_H's lap
2008-01-02 01:17 < Lycurgus> touche;
2008-01-02 01:17 < bumm13> shared idea/train of thought
2008-01-02 01:18 * ronabop pities/lauds english majors who have chosen to work on WP
2008-01-02 01:18 * Mike_H pets felix_the_cat
2008-01-02 01:18 < felix_the_cat> :D
2008-01-02 01:18 < bumm13> that's no Felix ;p
2008-01-02 01:19 * felix_the_cat gives bumm13 one wish
2008-01-02 01:19 < bumm13> just a brown mongrel ;)
2008-01-02 01:19 < felix_the_cat> O_o
2008-01-02 01:19 < felix_the_cat> O_o
2008-01-02 01:19 * bumm13 ducks
2008-01-02 01:19 * felix_the_cat attacks bumm13 >:D
2008-01-02 01:19 < bumm13> Felix is animation royalty! :)
2008-01-02 01:19 < Mike_H> ronabop: I am a journalism major
2008-01-02 01:19 < Mike_H> close enough
2008-01-02 01:19 < Mike_H> :/
2008-01-02 01:20 < felix_the_cat> Mike_H: then why do you help wikinews?
2008-01-02 01:20 < felix_the_cat> that will make you fail
2008-01-02 01:20 < felix_the_cat> you will slowly become a prick
2008-01-02 01:20 < Mike_H> felix_the_cat: It gives me writing samples
2008-01-02 01:20 < felix_the_cat> Mike_H: so does a 4 year old with crayons
2008-01-02 01:20 < Mike_H> They don't really look at where it's published as much as how you can write.
2008-01-02 01:20 < Mike_H> and how well you write.
2008-01-02 01:20 < bumm13> many journalists don't know how to do proper research :P
2008-01-02 01:21 < Mike_H> bumm13: I don't think it's that
2008-01-02 01:21 * felix_the_cat 's mum just makes up the truth
2008-01-02 01:21 < Mike_H> I think that a lot of journalists are rushed
2008-01-02 01:21 < Mike_H> and when faced with time restrictions
2008-01-02 01:21 < bumm13> well, probably true
2008-01-02 01:21 < Mike_H> if they can wing it
2008-01-02 01:21 < Mike_H> and get away with it
2008-01-02 01:21 < Mike_H> they will.
2008-01-02 01:21 < Mike_H> Is it right? No.
2008-01-02 01:21 < bumm13> but sometimes it's really ridiculous errors that are made
2008-01-02 01:21 < Mike_H> But does it mean the difference between you keeping your job and losing it?
2008-01-02 01:21 < Mike_H> Yes.
2008-01-02 01:22 < bumm13> TV journalism tends to be worse in this regard, I think
2008-01-02 01:22 < felix_the_cat> Mike_H: if you do sports, get the score, make up what happened ;)
2008-01-02 01:22 < Mike_H> And it shouldn't be, because out of all the media
2008-01-02 01:22 < Mike_H> TV journalists have the most time to research.
2008-01-02 01:23 < felix_the_cat> and the easiest job
2008-01-02 01:23 < bumm13> yeah
2008-01-02 01:23 < Mike_H> Newspapers are the most rushed.
2008-01-02 01:23 < felix_the_cat> Mike_H: give me 14cm on the loca spelling bee :p
2008-01-02 01:24 < Mike_H> felix_the_cat: That's where you take a picture
2008-01-02 01:24 < Mike_H> shrink it down
2008-01-02 01:24 < Mike_H> and write 7cm of a blurb
2008-01-02 01:24 < Mike_H> ;)
2008-01-02 01:24 < felix_the_cat> :p
2008-01-02 01:24 < felix_the_cat> 14cm of textr
2008-01-02 01:24 * felix_the_cat attacks Warpath >:D
2008-01-02 01:24 < Mike_H> List format!
2008-01-02 01:24 < Mike_H> 1st Place: _________
2008-01-02 01:24 < Mike_H> 2nd Place: __________
2008-01-02 01:24 < felix_the_cat> newspaper
2008-01-02 01:24 < Mike_H> newspapers do lists for little things like that
2008-01-02 01:24 < Mike_H> I should know
2008-01-02 01:25 < Warpath> yo
2008-01-02 01:25 < Mike_H> I won our local spelling bee
2008-01-02 01:25 < Mike_H> and it was indeed in a list like that
2008-01-02 01:25 * bumm13 has no selected career path
2008-01-02 01:25 < felix_the_cat> bumm13: CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY YOU ASS!!
2008-01-02 01:26 * ronabop suggests bumm13 should become a career counselor
2008-01-02 01:26 < felix_the_cat> hahaha
2008-01-02 01:27 < bumm13> :x
2008-01-02 01:27 < felix_the_cat> bumm13: our carrers counciler doesn't even come to our class xD
2008-01-02 01:27 < felix_the_cat> she forgets she has us so we jiust play computer games xD
2008-01-02 01:28 < Scottc> hey guys
2008-01-02 01:28 < Scottc> whose that chocolate rain guy
2008-01-02 01:28 < Scottc> I want to read about him on wikipedia because i'm bored
2008-01-02 01:28 < felix_the_cat> willy wonker?