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2008-01-01 13:56 < Ausir> Mahlzahn: then I would put the French name in the intro and the Polish (and other names) somewhere else (maybe in a paragraph describing the history of the city's name or sth like that)
2008-01-01 13:57 < Hello32020> Give the land back to the wooly mammoth the Native Americans stole it from them!
2008-01-01 13:57 < Mahlzahn_> Ausir: yes, that was already the case. The editor however insisted on parity with the french name. ;)
2008-01-01 13:57 < TubbyCat> xD
2008-01-01 13:59 < rw_> hi all
2008-01-01 13:59 < Mahlzahn_> this was all very long ago, when the 'pedia was still young and innocent.
2008-01-01 14:00 < Mahlzahn_> oh, like two years ago or so.
2008-01-01 14:00 < Messedrocker> 2006?
2008-01-01 14:01 < Messedrocker> Wikipedia was far from young and innocent in 2006
2008-01-01 14:01 < Messedrocker> in fact, 2 years ago was the userbox wheel war
2008-01-01 14:01 < Mahlzahn_> 30 months ago, then.
2008-01-01 14:01 < White_Cat> Messedrocker wikipedia lost her virginity in 2006
2008-01-01 14:01 < Mahlzahn_> yes, she did.
2008-01-01 14:02 < White_Cat> Messedrocker userbox wheel war was hardly an issue
2008-01-01 14:02 < White_Cat> community felt it strongly because well...
2008-01-01 14:02 < Messedrocker> bullshit it wasn't an issure
2008-01-01 14:02 < Messedrocker> issue
2008-01-01 14:02 < White_Cat> it was small
2008-01-01 14:02 < Messedrocker> anyways, i say the Eternal September of Wikipedia started in December 2005
2008-01-01 14:02 < Mahlzahn_> and today it seems to me it came all of a sudden. A rush like.
2008-01-01 14:02 < Messedrocker> that's when wikipedia started making major press
2008-01-01 14:02 < White_Cat> dec 2005 was pre loosing virginity
2008-01-01 14:02 < White_Cat> Messedrocker you seen alexa graph of wikipedia
2008-01-01 14:03 < White_Cat> ;)
2008-01-01 14:03 < Mahlzahn_> I've been editing since dec 2004, in dec 2005 I logged in for the first time.
2008-01-01 14:04 < NotACow> Mahlzahn_: newbie
2008-01-01 14:04 < Mahlzahn_> and yet I have < 5000 edits, but that has less to do with how much I contribute than with the fact that I use "Preview" all the time.
2008-01-01 14:04 < NotACow> Messedrocker: there wasn't a wheel war over userboxes.
2008-01-01 14:04 < NotACow> Messedrocker: it never went that far
2008-01-01 14:04 < Messedrocker> alright
2008-01-01 14:04 < Mahlzahn_> NotACow: yep. so to speak.
2008-01-01 14:05 < Messedrocker> the userbox drama perfenander then
2008-01-01 14:05 < NotACow> userbox dramachickens
2008-01-01 14:05 < Mahlzahn_> a great deal of good came of that drama though.
2008-01-01 14:06 < Mahlzahn_> i.e. redesign of the caching system for templates.
2008-01-01 14:18 < Ekpyrotic> Question: Anyone got an introduction to the pronunciation-sounds-language-thing?
2008-01-01 14:18 < Ekpyrotic> Don't worry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation
2008-01-01 14:19 < sunderland2006> do you know in internet explorer next to the url it usually has the picture of the wikipedia logo why does it have the windows logo at the moment
2008-01-01 14:20 < Aqwis> mmm internet explorer
2008-01-01 14:21 < Ekpyrotic> When you're writing pronunciation guides do you just try and do it best as possible?
2008-01-01 14:21 < mavhk> sunderland2006: messed up cache probably
2008-01-01 14:22 < sunderland2006> right
2008-01-01 14:22 < sunderland2006> should i clear the cache
2008-01-01 14:22 < mavhk> or ignore it
2008-01-01 14:22 < sunderland2006> kk
2008-01-01 14:24 < Ekpyrotic> Guys. I'm preparing an article for Carl Scheele, his name can also be spelt Karl. What's the standard way to say this?
2008-01-01 14:25 < Messedrocker> go with the more common spelling
2008-01-01 14:26 < Ekpyrotic> So it's not best to do Carl (Karl) Wilhelm Scheele was an...
2008-01-01 14:26 < Messedrocker> you could do
2008-01-01 14:26 < Messedrocker> "Carl Wilhelm Scheele (alternatively spelled "Karl")"
2008-01-01 14:27 < Messedrocker> but in terms of the article title, and the name which the person is introduced as, go with the more common spelling
2008-01-01 14:27 < Ekpyrotic> Yep, just didn't know how to give it as a note. :)
2008-01-01 14:27 < Ekpyrotic> Thanks.
2008-01-01 14:34 < pAArty> Happy New year!
2008-01-01 15:10 < Sfan00> hello
2008-01-01 15:10 < Aeternitas827> hello
2008-01-01 15:59 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> # Tomorrow: Sun and a few clouds with gusty winds. Colder. High near 50F. Winds NNW at 20 to 30 mph.
2008-01-01 15:59 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> Tomorrow night: Clear skies. Hard freeze expected. Low near 20F. Winds N at 15 to 25 mph.
2008-01-01 15:59 < Mike_H> :(
2008-01-01 16:00 < Mike_H> That's a cold way to ring in the New Year in Tampa
2008-01-01 16:00 < Mike_H> :(
2008-01-01 16:00 < The359> thank you weather man
2008-01-01 16:00 < Mike_H> The359: Tampa hasn't gotten to 20 degrees in the time I've lived here
2008-01-01 16:00 < Mike_H> and I've been here four years now
2008-01-01 16:03 < Lycurgus> it snowed a couple times the years I lived in Daytona
2008-01-01 16:04 < Mike_H> What were you doing in Daytona?
2008-01-01 16:04 < Lycurgus> a lot of my family lives there
2008-01-01 16:04 < Mike_H> ah
2008-01-01 16:04 < Mike_H> I was thinking school or something
2008-01-01 16:04 < Mike_H> and the only one I know of there is B-C
2008-01-01 16:05 < Lycurgus> embry-riddle is actually better known locally
2008-01-01 16:05 < Lycurgus> and I worked at what is now VCC
2008-01-01 16:05 < Mike_H> Oh, that's in Daytona?
2008-01-01 16:05 < Lycurgus> but then was DBCC
2008-01-01 16:05 < Mike_H> I was thinking that was in Melbourne
2008-01-01 16:05 < Lycurgus> it may be now
2008-01-01 16:05 < Mike_H> Yeah, the only school I knew of in Daytona was Bethune-Cookman
2008-01-01 16:05 < Mike_H> but a lot of my friends went there
2008-01-01 16:06 < Lycurgus> daytona is/was very segregated and iirc most white people don't even know BCC is there
2008-01-01 16:09 < Mike_H> Well, it's north Florida
2008-01-01 16:09 < Mike_H> I am not shocked
2008-01-01 16:09 < Mike_H> when I think of Volusia and higher learning, my first thought is Stetson
2008-01-01 16:09 < Mike_H> and that's in...DeLand?
2008-01-01 16:10 < Lycurgus> yes, I believe so.
2008-01-01 16:10 < Lycurgus> DeLand is the county seat iirc.
2008-01-01 16:10 < Mike_H> and I think there's a UCF campus in Volusia
2008-01-01 16:10 < Lycurgus> there was even then but I think it's much bigger now
2008-01-01 16:12 < Lycurgus> and yeah, Stetson is the only thing in the county like a real college.
2008-01-01 16:13 < Mike_H> UCF has been rapidly expanding to keep up with USF. It was a big blow to UCF when they were skipped over for inclusion in the state's top-tier public universities
2008-01-01 16:13 < Mike_H> which, for decades, was just UF and FSU
2008-01-01 16:13 < Mike_H> USF got that spot instead.
2008-01-01 16:13 < Lycurgus> I've always though of U of Miami as the premier school in the state
2008-01-01 16:13 < Mike_H> that's not public though.
2008-01-01 16:13 < Lycurgus> no it's not
2008-01-01 16:14 < Mike_H> but if we're just talking about all universities? Miami definitely is up there.
2008-01-01 16:14 < Mike_H> Probably ahead of USF and FSU, but maybe not UF.
2008-01-01 16:22 < Xihix> ST47
2008-01-01 16:22 < Xihix> It was me who undid that vandal last night, right?
2008-01-01 16:23 < Filanca`> we should be more tolerant to vandals
2008-01-01 16:23 < Betacommand> Filanca`: we are too tolerant
2008-01-01 16:24 < Xihix> Wait no
2008-01-01 16:24 < Xihix> I was the one who undid the wrong one
2008-01-01 16:24 < Sfan00> Wikipedia is way too tolerant of many things
2008-01-01 16:24 < Sfan00> Like idiot copyvio linkers
2008-01-01 16:25 < Sfan00> Linking to copyvio should mean a 24hr block at least?
2008-01-01 16:25 < Sfan00> Thoughts?
2008-01-01 16:25 < Aqwis> no.
2008-01-01 16:25 < Sfan00> Wy Not?
2008-01-01 16:26 < Sfan00> Linking copyvio hurts Wikipedia
2008-01-01 16:26 < Aqwis> because 99% of the copyvio linkings are unintentional
2008-01-01 16:26 < Sfan00> Aqwis: Oh really?
2008-01-01 16:26 < Aqwis> by people who don't know our polciies
2008-01-01 16:26 < Aqwis> *policies
2008-01-01 16:26 < Sfan00> Those people need to learn :)
2008-01-01 16:26 < Filanca`> that could only be a guess.. u cant be sure of that
2008-01-01 16:26 < Aqwis> the last thing we want is to get rid of valuable contributors
2008-01-01 16:26 < Sfan00> that you don't mess with Wikipedia policy ;)
2008-01-01 16:26 < Aqwis> stop being paranoid about copyvios
2008-01-01 16:26 < Sfan00> True
2008-01-01 16:26 < Aqwis> noone has sued us yet
2008-01-01 16:27 < Sfan00> 'yet'
2008-01-01 16:27 < Aqwis> they're not an issue.
2008-01-01 16:27 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-01-01 16:27 < Betacommand> Sfan00: links are not illegal just not approperate for wikipedia
2008-01-01 16:27 < Sfan00> No One thought Shipman was an issue, until the bodies started to stack up...
2008-01-01 16:28 < Betacommand> Sfan00: if there is a known domain let me know Ill nuke it
2008-01-01 16:28 < Cyrius> people do not understand copyright
2008-01-01 16:28 < Sfan00> Betacommand: Take at look at my recent efforts in regard to You Tube links
2008-01-01 16:28 < Sfan00> I.e Contribs page for Sfan00_IMG
2008-01-01 16:29 < Aqwis> <Filanca`> that could only be a guess.. u cant be sure of that
2008-01-01 16:29 < Betacommand> Cyrius: you dont know the half of it
2008-01-01 16:29 < Aqwis> that is not a guess
2008-01-01 16:29 < Cyrius> Betacommand: I've tried to explain it to people before, I think I'm aware
2008-01-01 16:29 < Aqwis> do you really think people add copyright violation links aiming to get people to sue WP?
2008-01-01 16:29 < Sfan00> Aqwis: of course not
2008-01-01 16:29 < Sfan00> But people do add links without thinking carefully
2008-01-01 16:29 < Betacommand> Cyrius: try working with massive amounts of non-free images
2008-01-01 16:30 < Aqwis> we cannot ban valuable users just because they haven't read or haven't understand a horribly confusing policy
2008-01-01 16:30 < Sfan00> Aqwis: OK
2008-01-01 16:30 < Cyrius> Betacommand: I've done the non-free image deletion thing too
2008-01-01 16:30 < Cyrius> yeah, I don't have the bot-assisted mass experience
2008-01-01 16:30 < Betacommand> Cyrius: not on the same scale
2008-01-01 16:30 < Aqwis> copyright is not the most important thing in the world, no matter what you seem to think
2008-01-01 16:30 < Sfan00> The fact that you have to be a law grad to understand Copyright in the US says it's probably best to assume good faith
2008-01-01 16:30 < Aqwis> also
2008-01-01 16:31 < Cyrius> but I've put up with several "why did you delete my image?!" complaints
2008-01-01 16:31 < Aqwis> actually *adding* copyvios to wikipedia articles is potentially much more damaging than linking to them
2008-01-01 16:31 < Messedrocker> bay-tah kom-an-darrrrrr
2008-01-01 16:31 < Messedrocker> kickin' ass in the seventeeeeeeeeees
2008-01-01 16:31 < Sfan00> Aqwis: When you've had your copyrights ripped off, you will understand why I start ranting on this
2008-01-01 16:31 < Aqwis> i've had my copyrights "ripped off"
2008-01-01 16:32 < Sfan00> OK
2008-01-01 16:32 < Messedrocker> "Betacommand once defeated the Russian Army with an Altair 8800 and a pack of smokes"
2008-01-01 16:32 < Aqwis> but i didn't become paranoid
2008-01-01 16:32 < Betacommand> Messedrocker: dam right
2008-01-01 16:32 < Sfan00> Betacommand: What is the policy about You Tube links?
2008-01-01 16:32 * Messedrocker wonders if Betacommand was alive in the 70s
2008-01-01 16:32 < Betacommand> the Russians never knew what hit them
2008-01-01 16:32 < Sfan00> I've tended to nuke them as "Unclear (C) status" rather than obvious copyvios...
2008-01-01 16:32 < Messedrocker> aye
2008-01-01 16:32 < Messedrocker> as is the best route of going
2008-01-01 16:33 < Betacommand> Sfan00: used rarely
2008-01-01 16:33 < Sfan00> So I am justifed in removing them - despite the whiners?
2008-01-01 16:33 < Betacommand> Sfan00: yes
2008-01-01 16:33 < Sfan00> Great
2008-01-01 16:33 < Sfan00> Could someone put out a general call for assitance?
2008-01-01 16:33 < Sfan00> There are presently Over 5000 links to You Tube in en
2008-01-01 16:34 < Sfan00> Some of these are legitmate and reasonable...
2008-01-01 16:34 < Sfan00> Others aren't
2008-01-01 16:34 < Sfan00> However it needs inteligent and calm people to check links...
2008-01-01 16:34 < Sfan00> Link checking of this kind cannot be easily cyber-nised...
2008-01-01 16:35 < Lycurgus> uh, yeah it could if there's a deterministic relation determinable from the URL
2008-01-01 16:35 < Sfan00> Are you able to help Betacommand botr
2008-01-01 16:35 < Messedrocker> "Betacommand has never deleted an image in his life. He thought about them and they cowered out of existence."
2008-01-01 16:36 < Lycurgus> (with relative ease)
2008-01-01 16:36 < Sfan00> Lycrugs: you tube doesn't flag clips as screened
2008-01-01 16:36 < Sfan00> Lycurgus: I've had this argument with White Cat the other day
2008-01-01 16:36 < White_Cat> ?
2008-01-01 16:37 < Hello32020> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Newpages holy crap
2008-01-01 16:37 < Sfan00> And a random clip ID gives no hints as to ths (C) staus of the clip linked to
2008-01-01 16:37 < White_Cat> we never argued :P
2008-01-01 16:37 < Betacommand> Sfan00: Im generating a list of all pages that link to youtube
2008-01-01 16:37 < White_Cat> Betacommand cute
2008-01-01 16:37 < Sfan00> Betacommand: Special: Linksearch?
2008-01-01 16:37 < White_Cat> but thats not going to help much
2008-01-01 16:37 < Hello32020> Betacommand: [[YouTube]]?
2008-01-01 16:37 < Betacommand> Sfan00: kinda
2008-01-01 16:37 < Betacommand> Hello32020: yes
2008-01-01 16:37 < White_Cat> because it needs to be done on a case by case basis
2008-01-01 16:38 < Sfan00> For over 5000 links :(
2008-01-01 16:38 < Hello32020> *joke question if YouTube links to Youtube :P*
2008-01-01 16:38 < White_Cat> its a bold text
2008-01-01 16:38 < Hello32020> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Newpages damn
2008-01-01 16:38 < Betacommand> Sfan00: I have generated lists for over 100k links
2008-01-01 16:38 < Lycurgus> isn't there an operative "assume best faith" principle here?
2008-01-01 16:38 < Sfan00> Lycurgus: I do
2008-01-01 16:39 < Sfan00> Doesn't stop the links needing to be checked
2008-01-01 16:39 < Lycurgus> it's common practice for people in the web generally to link youtube content
2008-01-01 16:39 < Sfan00> Yes, but common practice doesn't make copyvios cease to be so
2008-01-01 16:39 < Lycurgus> I should think the same mechanisms in place for image space would serve for video space
2008-01-01 16:40 < Lycurgus> identically the same even
2008-01-01 16:40 < Sfan00> Lycrugus: You tube links are links in Wiki text , They are not media on WMF servers
2008-01-01 16:41 < Sfan00> BTW tech issue- The emeded media player is broken for me
2008-01-01 16:42 < Lycurgus> yeah unless its on media wiki or something I don't se the video name space I heard mentioned the other day
2008-01-01 16:43 < Lycurgus> e
2008-01-01 16:43 < Betacommand> Lycurgus: there is no video namespace
2008-01-01 16:43 < Xihix> Hey guys.
2008-01-01 16:43 < Sfan00> Betacommand: Something that would be useful is some script extension that means I can nuke links more easiyl without having to devle into pages
2008-01-01 16:43 < Betacommand> Sfan00: ??
2008-01-01 16:43 < Sfan00> Kind of like a Regexp search and blank function
2008-01-01 16:43 < Betacommand> Sfan00: [[WP:AWB]]
2008-01-01 16:44 < Sfan00> betacommand: in editing out You Tube links I've had to sometimes delve into pages quite deeply
2008-01-01 16:44 < Sfan00> What would be nice would be a delete button against link on Special: Linksearch
2008-01-01 16:44 < Sfan00> that activates a script to do the extraction
2008-01-01 16:45 < Sfan00> Removing manualy works, but is error prone
2008-01-01 16:45 < Betacommand> Sfan00: use AWB
2008-01-01 16:45 < Sfan00> It can do this?
2008-01-01 16:46 < Sfan00> I did put in for AWB approval but never heard anything more
2008-01-01 16:46 < Sfan00> So assumed I wasn't approved to (ab)use it
2008-01-01 16:46 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-01-01 16:46 < Betacommand> Sfan00: looking
2008-01-01 16:47 < Sfan00> I also have a tendency to have mad crusades that cause flame swarms to congregate around me :)
2008-01-01 16:47 < Betacommand> Sfan00: no you dont
2008-01-01 16:47 < Betacommand> I cause those flames
2008-01-01 16:47 < Sfan00> You haven't obviosuly read Sfan00_IMG's talk page ;)
2008-01-01 16:47 < Betacommand> you might have a candle
2008-01-01 16:48 < Betacommand> Sfan00: Im on [[WP:AN]] and [[WP:ANI]] regularly
2008-01-01 16:48 < Sfan00> Due to the BOT?
2008-01-01 16:48 < Betacommand> which is much worse
2008-01-01 16:48 < Betacommand> Sfan00: sometimes
2008-01-01 16:48 < Sfan00> Well I only got on WP:ANI twice
2008-01-01 16:48 < Sfan00> IIRC
2008-01-01 16:48 < Sfan00> And once I got blocked for fixing redirects :)
2008-01-01 16:49 < Sfan00> (but in all instances the matters were quickly resolved by community process)
2008-01-01 16:49 < mavhk> did you define fixing differently to others?
2008-01-01 16:49 < Mahlzahn__> how about a page that not only lists the problematic links but is simultaneously a checkbox list for a list of links + context in which they appear. "Go" would then remove only the selected ones automagically.
2008-01-01 16:49 < Sfan00> mavhk: No
2008-01-01 16:50 < Sfan00> This was fixing Double Redirects in the period before BOT's did it
2008-01-01 16:50 < Sfan00> All I did was fix the first item in the chain of redirects to point to the appropriate article at the end of the chains ...#
2008-01-01 16:51 < Sfan00> The probelm was that I wa sknocking back more than 5 of them in a miniute or so ;)
2008-01-01 16:51 < Mahlzahn__> bad Sfan00bot!
2008-01-01 16:51 < Sfan00> And the pattern seemed to some people suspicous
2008-01-01 16:51 < Sfan00> Mahlzahn: I wasn't using a BOT to do it is the thing!
2008-01-01 16:51 < Mahlzahn__> you're too efficient.
2008-01-01 16:51 < Mahlzahn__> yes, I know.
2008-01-01 16:52 < Betacommand> Sfan00: your approved for AWB
2008-01-01 16:52 < Sfan00> Ya mien Mahlzan ;)
2008-01-01 16:52 < Sfan00> Great
2008-01-01 16:52 < Mahlzahn__> I was just needling you.
2008-01-01 16:52 < Sfan00> OK
2008-01-01 16:52 < Sfan00> I will look into what i need to do re links in the next few weeks
2008-01-01 16:52 < Sfan00> I might need some help in working with AWB though
2008-01-01 16:53 < Sfan00> Bother
2008-01-01 16:53 < Sfan00> AWB is WinXP... I still use 98 :(
2008-01-01 16:54 < Lycurgus> damn son, 98 is ole
2008-01-01 16:54 < Mahlzahn__> hush Lycurgus :)
2008-01-01 16:54 < Sfan00> Yeah but it does mean I cna use VLC to watch DVD's ;)
2008-01-01 16:55 < Mahlzahn__> VLC runs fine on 2K et al.
2008-01-01 16:57 < Sfan00> VLC does have issues on Vista
2008-01-01 16:58 < Sfan00> but these are being workd on
2008-01-01 16:58 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-01 17:00 < Mahlzahn__> who cares about Vista?
2008-01-01 17:01 < The359> Vista is still around?
2008-01-01 17:01 < Mahlzahn__> I'd be happy with plain old WINNT4 if it weren't for the lack of usb support.
2008-01-01 17:04 < Sfan00> Mahlzahn_:Try ReactOS... www.reactos.org
2008-01-01 17:04 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-01-01 17:04 < Schroeder2> anyone want a free shell account? I've got 'em to give...
2008-01-01 17:04 < Sfan00> What is a shell acount?
2008-01-01 17:04 < Sfan00> And what can you do with them?
2008-01-01 17:05 < The359> play the shell game
2008-01-01 17:05 < Hello32020> can someone help with vandalproof? I can't login to it
2008-01-01 17:05 < Mahlzahn__> Shroeder2: whats with bandwidth?
2008-01-01 17:06 < Betacommand> Hello32020: Im a VP mod
2008-01-01 17:06 < Schroeder2> Mahlzahn: hmm?
2008-01-01 17:06 < Mahlzahn__> I'm being sneaky, think "sockpuppet".
2008-01-01 17:07 < Hello32020> never mind I logged in to Wikipediawith Internet Explorer that solved the problem
2008-01-01 17:07 < yelyos> what was the problem?
2008-01-01 17:08 < The359> Internet Explorer solving a problem?
2008-01-01 17:08 < The359> gtfo
2008-01-01 17:08 < Mahlzahn__> yes, that is a strange one.
2008-01-01 17:09 < Hello32020> I couldn't log into Vandalproof without logging into Wikipedia in internet explorer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPRF "you will need to be logged in using Internet Explorer with cookies enabled)"
2008-01-01 17:09 < Betacommand> Sfan00: website *.youtube.com has 24105 links on wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkSearch/youtube.com]] (17059 mainspace) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Linksearch&target=%2A.youtube.com&namespace=
2008-01-01 17:10 < Sfan00> Its the 17059 links in mainspace I am concerned about..
2008-01-01 17:10 < Sfan00> is it possible to filter linksearhc so it only does mainspace?
2008-01-01 17:11 < Mahlzahn__> &namespace=Main ?
2008-01-01 17:11 < Sfan00> Did nothing
2008-01-01 17:11 < Sfan00> Still produced links to tlak pages and stuff :(
2008-01-01 17:11 < Betacommand> Sfan00: copy my monobook
2008-01-01 17:12 < Sfan00> Which link do I need to copy?
2008-01-01 17:12 < Betacommand> Sfan00: all
2008-01-01 17:12 < Hello32020> hmm I think #cvn-wp-en is more efficent then vandal proof
2008-01-01 17:13 < Sfan00> Any particular section?
2008-01-01 17:13 < Sfan00> I don't want to import Twinkle twice as i already have it
2008-01-01 17:14 < Betacommand> Sfan00: replace your monobook with mine
2008-01-01 17:14 * Evil_Monkey is watching the Rose Bowl and thought someone's parents were just odd naming their child Juice Williams
2008-01-01 17:14 < Evil_Monkey> turns out it is a nickname
2008-01-01 17:15 < Sfan00> OK done :)
2008-01-01 17:16 < Sfan00> I still get namespace=Main shoiwng up user pages :(
2008-01-01 17:16 < Betacommand> purge and now go to linksearch
2008-01-01 17:17 < Betacommand> there is a filter button
2008-01-01 17:17 < Sfan00> OK
2008-01-01 17:18 < Sfan00> BTW apart from Twinkle what other neat stuff have I picked up?
2008-01-01 17:19 < Lubaf> The lie is a cake!
2008-01-01 17:20 < Sfan00> I also a note a Remove External links tab: What does this do?
2008-01-01 17:21 < ST47> It removes links from any page you click on
2008-01-01 17:21 * ST47 <3 GM's script
2008-01-01 17:21 < Sfan00> Oh :)
2008-01-01 17:21 < Sfan00> So How do I toogle it to check the links first?
2008-01-01 17:21 < ST47> eh?
2008-01-01 17:22 < ST47> You can click the link
2008-01-01 17:22 < Sfan00> OK
2008-01-01 17:22 < Sfan00> I see how it works :)
2008-01-01 17:22 < Sfan00> Thanks
2008-01-01 17:24 < kkaefer> hi
2008-01-01 17:24 < kkaefer> someone here with knowledge in copyright issues around city seals?
2008-01-01 17:25 < Sfan00> script jammed for me :(
2008-01-01 17:25 < Sfan00> Sorry
2008-01-01 17:25 < kkaefer> ah hmm
2008-01-01 17:25 < kkaefer> looks like they are pd
2008-01-01 17:26 < kkaefer> (us city seal)
2008-01-01 17:27 < Sfan00> BTW I seem to have an advanced editor as well now :)
2008-01-01 17:27 < Sfan00> Thanks BetaCommand :)
2008-01-01 17:30 * Yert <3's ST47
2008-01-01 17:31 < ST47> O.o
2008-01-01 17:32 < kkaefer> how can I update http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Boston_city_seal.jpg with a higher resolution image?
2008-01-01 17:33 < Evil_Monkey> kkaefer: upload a file with the same filename
2008-01-01 17:33 < kkaefer> mmh
2008-01-01 17:33 < kkaefer> I have it in png format
2008-01-01 17:33 < Evil_Monkey> that would be better. Just change the image used in [[Boston]]
2008-01-01 17:34 < kkaefer> ... and in all 50 other wikipedias?
2008-01-01 17:34 < Lycurgus> are you sure they all reference it?
2008-01-01 17:35 < Evil_Monkey> http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CheckUsage.php?i=Boston_city_seal.jpg&w=_100000#end
2008-01-01 17:35 < Evil_Monkey> only used in 22 :-)
2008-01-01 17:35 < kkaefer> yeah
2008-01-01 17:35 < kkaefer> but still
2008-01-01 17:36 < Lycurgus> welcome to user generated content
2008-01-01 17:36 < Lycurgus> AKA web 2.0
2008-01-01 17:36 < kkaefer> hehe
2008-01-01 17:36 < Evil_Monkey> I would still upload the png version, and then request deletion of the jpg version. Isn't there a bot that deals with duplicates?
2008-01-01 17:37 < Evil_Monkey> {{Superseded}}
2008-01-01 17:37 < Evil_Monkey> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Superseded
2008-01-01 17:37 < Evil_Monkey> Actually best would be an SVG version
2008-01-01 17:38 < kkaefer> Evil_Monkey: I have a svg version, but that has like 6000 anchor points
2008-01-01 17:38 < kkaefer> Evil_Monkey: I don't think that this seal is suited for svg
2008-01-01 17:40 < Lycurgus> you also don't wanna put the best quality image of something like that out I should think
2008-01-01 17:40 < rw_1> hi all
2008-01-01 17:41 < Sfan00> Link removal going OK Betacommand
2008-01-01 17:41 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-01 17:49 < kkaefer> J`Accuse_: why?
2008-01-01 17:53 < J`Accuse_> (it's an away nick, refers to beelzebub bub)
2008-01-01 18:02 < Mahlzahn_> the internet is falling apart!
2008-01-01 18:03 < Cyrius> oh nose
2008-01-01 18:06 < Sfan00> Mahlzahn: Loose tubes? ;)
2008-01-01 18:16 < Hello32020> !admin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Beastlyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2008-01-01 18:16 < NotACow> moo!
2008-01-01 18:16 < Hello32020> erm aren't long usernames like this not allowed?
2008-01-01 18:16 < CMoreschi> I don't do username blocks
2008-01-01 18:16 < CMoreschi> ever
2008-01-01 18:16 < ST47> They are nit
2008-01-01 18:16 * NotACow hits Hello32020 with a "stop-being-so-meddlesome" stick
2008-01-01 18:16 < ST47> not*
2008-01-01 18:16 < CMoreschi> it's a point of principle
2008-01-01 18:16 < ST47> already blocked
2008-01-01 18:16 < NotACow> who the fuck cares?
2008-01-01 18:16 < CMoreschi> well, hardly ever
2008-01-01 18:17 < NotACow> it's just another rule created by opeople for the sake of having rules.
2008-01-01 18:17 < NotASpy> NotACow: you do realise that chap has just vandalised, umm, Cattle. :p
2008-01-01 18:17 < NotACow> NotASpy: revert him and move on
2008-01-01 18:17 < Evil_Monkey> Suppose it could fall under "Offensive usernames make harmonious editing difficult or impossible."
2008-01-01 18:17 < Evil_Monkey> but I'm sure this user won't be around for long
2008-01-01 18:17 < NotASpy> no, we need to shout at him, make him sit on the naughty step, chastise and then finally ridicule him. And block him just for good measure, don't we ?
2008-01-01 18:19 < Evil_Monkey> appears they are about to be blocked by gwernol
2008-01-01 18:22 < bogdan> hey
2008-01-01 18:22 < Zscout370> hey
2008-01-01 18:23 < bogdan> anyone here who knows Balkan history?
2008-01-01 18:24 < sunderland2006> i know there croatia serbia bosnia and herzegovina and they had a massive war
2008-01-01 18:27 < bogdan> where can I find a map of Europe around 1750?
2008-01-01 18:27 < White_Cat> 1750?
2008-01-01 18:27 < bogdan> yep.
2008-01-01 18:27 < bogdan> I want to know whether the Banat was part of the Austrian or the Ottoman empire.
2008-01-01 18:28 < White_Cat> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=1750+balkan+map&btnG=Search+Images
2008-01-01 18:28 < bogdan> s/Austrian/Holy Roman Empire.
2008-01-01 18:28 < White_Cat> bogdan bad typo
2008-01-01 18:28 < bogdan> White_Cat: no, it's the same thing.
2008-01-01 18:28 < bogdan> White_Cat: they were both 0wnd by the Habsburgs.
2008-01-01 18:29 < White_Cat> yes
2008-01-01 18:29 < White_Cat> but not ausies :P
2008-01-01 18:29 < White_Cat> bogdan I really dont know
2008-01-01 18:29 < White_Cat> I do know that balkans changed hands faster than you can change underwear
2008-01-01 18:29 < White_Cat> that is assuming you do change your underwear :P
2008-01-01 18:29 < shimgray> bogdan: University of Texas has a good historic map collection online
2008-01-01 18:30 < bogdan> nevermind, found it: Over the course of its history, other lands were, at times, under Austrian Habsburg rule: The Banat of Temeswar (1718–1778)
2008-01-01 18:30 < White_Cat> :D
2008-01-01 18:30 < White_Cat> bogdan yay!
2008-01-01 18:31 < White_Cat> so who owned it in 1750?
2008-01-01 18:31 < Evil_Monkey> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_1740.jpg
2008-01-01 18:31 < shimgray> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/south_east_europe_1648.jpg - Green is Ottoman circa 1739
2008-01-01 18:31 < shimgray> aha, same map, pretty much :-)
2008-01-01 18:32 < bogdan> shimgray, Evil_Monkey: aye, thanks.
2008-01-01 18:32 < White_Cat> they painted Ottoman green?
2008-01-01 18:32 * White_Cat paints it black
2008-01-01 18:32 < White_Cat> no colours just pitch black
2008-01-01 18:32 < Sepultura> re
2008-01-01 18:32 < shimgray> for future reference, there's a *massive* collection here: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/
2008-01-01 18:33 < bogdan> White_Cat: isn't green a traditional colour of Islam?
2008-01-01 18:34 < White_Cat> bogdan well
2008-01-01 18:34 < White_Cat> ottomans were a fan of red
2008-01-01 18:35 < White_Cat> 1699-1718 most of bannat was ottoman
2008-01-01 18:35 < White_Cat> so 1750 is non-ottoman
2008-01-01 18:36 < White_Cat> you can see traces of borders of todays balkans huh?
2008-01-01 18:36 < bogdan> okay, I just needed to write in which country was born a guy :P
2008-01-01 18:36 < bogdan> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dositej_Obradovi%C4%87&diff=181473077&oldid=173633523
2008-01-01 18:37 < White_Cat> I wonder who owned those white islands around modern day greece
2008-01-01 18:37 < bogdan> White_Cat: Venetians.
2008-01-01 18:37 < White_Cat> lies
2008-01-01 18:37 < bogdan> White_Cat: just like Dalmatia.
2008-01-01 18:38 < White_Cat> Venetians cant even get the water off their city
2008-01-01 18:38 < White_Cat> :P
2008-01-01 18:38 < bogdan> White_Cat: I've been to Corfu, one of those white islands and it looks more Italian than Greek :-)
2008-01-01 18:38 < White_Cat> so what happened to the Venetians?
2008-01-01 18:39 < bogdan> White_Cat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Venice#Decline
2008-01-01 18:39 < Cyrius> isn't it great when you can answer a question like that? =)
2008-01-01 18:41 < White_Cat> In spring 1796[when? — see talk page],
2008-01-01 18:41 < White_Cat> Cyrius nah
2008-01-01 18:41 < White_Cat> [[Republic of Venice]] is NN history cruft
2008-01-01 18:42 < kraupu> ok, bye bye
2008-01-01 18:42 < White_Cat> Napoleon ended them
2008-01-01 18:42 < White_Cat> hmm
2008-01-01 18:44 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_map_Napoleon_1811.png
2008-01-01 18:44 < White_Cat> heh
2008-01-01 18:45 < White_Cat> Geography was easier in 1811's
2008-01-01 18:57 < Alkivar> man the weather is crazy right now
2008-01-01 18:58 < TheKingofHearts> hello
2008-01-01 18:58 < Alkivar> 10-16 inches tonight... 12-14 more tommorrow
2008-01-01 18:58 < Alkivar> and we already had 3 ft of snow on the ground
2008-01-01 18:58 < Cyrius> supposed to have a hard freeze here tonight, which is slightly odd
2008-01-01 18:59 < Messedrocker> Alkivar, are you describing your date?
2008-01-01 18:59 < sunderland2006> i wish england had some
2008-01-01 19:00 < NotASpy> we might have snow on Friday (at least here in Scotland, dunno about North England).
2008-01-01 19:01 < Messedrocker> it'll probably rain a lot here
2008-01-01 19:01 < LordAnubis> hi my knowledgeable friends, can anyone help me with my n00b question: Where are the items on the main menu stored (In which media wiki link?)
2008-01-01 19:01 < Sfan00> Alikvar: Where is here?
2008-01-01 19:03 < Cyrius> LordAnubis: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#How_do_I_customize_the_navigation_bar.3F
2008-01-01 19:04 < LordAnubis> Cyrius, you're the man
2008-01-01 19:06 < LordAnubis> Cyrius, but thats not right, i have a "Donate" button that i need to translate
2008-01-01 19:06 < LordAnubis> plus the MediaWiki:Sidebar is not showing up like in the actual order the menu is set in !!! :-s Cyrius
2008-01-01 19:07 < Cyrius> that is right
2008-01-01 19:08 < Cyrius> it's just that those are references to other mediawiki messages
2008-01-01 19:08 < Cyrius> [[MediaWiki:Sitesupport]] provides the text on en
2008-01-01 19:08 < Vox_Humana_8> NotASpy, where in Scotland are you?
2008-01-01 19:09 < NotASpy> just outside Dundee
2008-01-01 19:09 < Vox_Humana_8> Ah right!
2008-01-01 19:09 < Vox_Humana_8> Do you know Broughty Ferry?
2008-01-01 19:09 < NotASpy> yeah.
2008-01-01 19:09 < NotASpy> not very well, mind.
2008-01-01 19:09 < Vox_Humana_8> My dad lived there from about 1965 through to 1985, when he came down here to Surrey
2008-01-01 19:10 < Vox_Humana_8> Gah, I wish I was up north
2008-01-01 19:10 < Vox_Humana_8> I want the maritime air - helps me sleep better
2008-01-01 19:10 < Vox_Humana_8> And I want some snow!
2008-01-01 19:10 < Vox_Humana_8> Leatherhead only ever sees mild sleet nowadays :(
2008-01-01 19:11 < NotASpy> I'm wanting some snow too, desperate to get out and take some decent photos of the snow covered Glens.
2008-01-01 19:11 < Vox_Humana_8> Heheheh
2008-01-01 19:11 < Vox_Humana_8> What kind of camera d'you use?
2008-01-01 19:11 < TheWeasel> Wee.
2008-01-01 19:11 < Vox_Humana_8> TheWeasel: WTF?
2008-01-01 19:12 < TheWeasel> Was just looking for a random token of my presence
2008-01-01 19:12 < NotASpy> Pentax Digi SLR
2008-01-01 19:12 < Vox_Humana_8> Ah right
2008-01-01 19:12 < Vox_Humana_8> Is it good?
2008-01-01 19:12 < Vox_Humana_8> I'm thinking of buying a Nikon D40 or D40x - dissuade me
2008-01-01 19:13 < NotASpy> they're all much of a muchness, no real difference unless your into magnifying photos and examining the colours in real detail.
2008-01-01 19:15 * Aqwis2 does that
2008-01-01 19:16 < NotASpy> the Canon's are quite soft on colours, I believe the Nikon's are more vivid, and I've no idea where the Pentax comes in on the scale.
2008-01-01 19:17 < Aqwis2> i think you're wrong
2008-01-01 19:17 < TheWeasel> Canon LOVES red
2008-01-01 19:18 < Aqwis2> the Nikons may give more vivid colours by default, but
2008-01-01 19:18 < TheWeasel> and treats all other colours quite badly
2008-01-01 19:18 < TheWeasel> Nikon colours are lovely
2008-01-01 19:18 < Aqwis2> the Canons allow you to increase the saturation in-camera a lot, while many Nikon cameras only allow you to increase it slightly
2008-01-01 19:19 < Aqwis2> a 400D i used had much more vivid colours at 100% saturation settings than my D50
2008-01-01 19:20 < NotASpy> I've not had any real experience with a 400D, but I thought my old PowerShot is quite soft on colours, though it's ancient so that might explain a lot.
2008-01-01 19:21 < Vox_Humana_8> Hmm
2008-01-01 19:21 < Aqwis2> well, that's a compact
2008-01-01 19:21 < Vox_Humana_8> I like the Nikon D40 cos it's a DSLR for less than 300 squid
2008-01-01 19:21 < Aqwis2> afaik Pentax's is even cheaper
2008-01-01 19:22 < Aqwis2> at least here
2008-01-01 19:22 < NotASpy> the K10D is a couple of quid below £500, there's the K100 and K110 which are quite a bit cheaper but are only 6MP jobs.
2008-01-01 19:23 < shimgray> fwiw, I've found the Panasonic FZ range to be excellent in the not-quite-an-SLR band; in many ways, better than a low-end SLR because you evade buying lenses
2008-01-01 19:24 < shimgray> cost ~£250; low-light performance is a bit scrappy, but you do get a 420mm-equivalent lens for that price
2008-01-01 19:24 < Aqwis2> shimgray, i've found that the kit lenses that come with entry-level SLRs are far (opticaly) better than any of the "big-compact"'s lenses
2008-01-01 19:24 < Aqwis2> but of course, if you want a telezoom they don't work
2008-01-01 19:25 < shimgray> Aqwis2: yeah, but to get the distance performance you need to spend as much again :-)
2008-01-01 19:25 < shimgray> I deliberately bought it as opposed to an SLR, to prevent myself spending vast amounts of money for increasingly marginal improvements
2008-01-01 19:26 < shimgray> this may be considered either cunning or stupid, depending on viewpoint :-)
2008-01-01 19:26 < Aqwis2> i don't think i'll ever be able to use a compact again, due to the poor high-ISO performance
2008-01-01 19:26 < Aqwis2> well, at least not buy one ;|
2008-01-01 19:26 < Vox_Humana_8> I really want an SLR
2008-01-01 19:27 < Vox_Humana_8> I'm used to my dad's old analogue Olympus with motorised manual focus, etc
2008-01-01 19:27 < shimgray> yeah. the high-ISO performance does annoy me, but not enough to spend the best part of a thousand pounds on making it right!
2008-01-01 19:27 < Aqwis2> :)
2008-01-01 19:27 < Vox_Humana_8> I couldn't live without the flexibility of the SLR
2008-01-01 19:28 < Vox_Humana_8> Is there any other DSLR for 300 squid, or is the Nikon D40 alone there?
2008-01-01 19:28 < NotASpy> they're so damn complicated though, but that's the price you pay for super flexibility.
2008-01-01 19:28 < NotASpy> the Pentax K110D is somewhere around 300 notes.
2008-01-01 19:28 < Aqwis2> personally i don't recommend the 350D, 400D or D40(x) due to their poor ergonomics
2008-01-01 19:28 < shimgray> Vox_Humana_8: try reading around some of the user groups on flickr
2008-01-01 19:29 < Aqwis2> (if you have tiny hands, they may be ok)
2008-01-01 19:29 < Aqwis2> ^^
2008-01-01 19:29 < Vox_Humana_8> Well, if a 16-year-old idiot like me who took his first non-mobile phone photo in November 2006 can cope with my dad's Olympus, the D40 shouldn't be too difficult
2008-01-01 19:29 < Vox_Humana_8> shimgray - could you direct me to one such?
2008-01-01 19:29 * essin backtracks the discussion and finds there's an error in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_map_Napoleon_1811.png
2008-01-01 19:29 < essin> [[Old Finland]] didn't become part of the Grand Duchy of Finland until 1812
2008-01-01 19:29 < NotASpy> personally, if you've got access to old Olympus lenses, and they work with the new Olympus, it would be an idea to go for a body only Olympus DSLR.
2008-01-01 19:29 < shimgray> http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?q=d40
2008-01-01 19:30 < shimgray> that's a good point, actually
2008-01-01 19:30 < shimgray> if you have access to the lenses...
2008-01-01 19:30 < NotASpy> that would be my advice.
2008-01-01 19:30 < Aqwis2> how compatible are new Olympus bodies with old lenses?
2008-01-01 19:31 < Aqwis2> do you get AF even on the cheap bodies, for example?
2008-01-01 19:31 < NotASpy> it's hard to say, it depends on the fitting on the old camera, but there's usually adapters and such about.
2008-01-01 19:32 < shimgray> mmm. do some research on the old lenses, read up on the fittings and so on, throw it all at google for a while...
2008-01-01 19:32 < NotASpy> Auto Focus is a pain in the ass, but then I quite like long exposure shots at night, so I tend to have the camera on MF.
2008-01-01 19:33 < NotASpy> there will be plenty of discussions on Flickr about lenses and adapters.
2008-01-01 19:33 < shimgray> http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?q=d40 - no shortage of discussion groups!
2008-01-01 19:33 < Aqwis2> part of the reason i bought the D50 was to use old Nikon lenses
2008-01-01 19:33 < Aqwis2> but i ended up not getting my hand on any so
2008-01-01 19:33 < Aqwis2> that was kind of pointless
2008-01-01 19:33 < Aqwis2> but i like the camera anyway, good ergonomics
2008-01-01 19:34 < uberpenguin> I have a D40
2008-01-01 19:34 < uberpenguin> it's a great camera, though you'll lose autofocus on any lenses that don't have builtin motors
2008-01-01 19:34 < Aqwis2> the D40 is a much smaller camera than the D50 and doesn't have a focus motor
2008-01-01 19:34 < uberpenguin> not a huge deal for me, I just manual focus with those lenses
2008-01-01 19:35 < uberpenguin> the focus motor is just about the only thing I miss on it, frankly
2008-01-01 19:35 < uberpenguin> it's so darn compact, and I love that
2008-01-01 19:35 < Aqwis2> but it has better high ISO performance and a larger LCD monitor
2008-01-01 19:35 < uberpenguin> http://mattb.alwayssleeping.com/images/dsc_0869.jpg
2008-01-01 19:35 < uberpenguin> I took that picture with my D40 two weeks ago
2008-01-01 19:35 < uberpenguin> that's uh... a nikon 18-55mm lens
2008-01-01 19:35 < Aqwis2> nice
2008-01-01 19:36 < Aqwis2> kit lens :)
2008-01-01 19:36 < uberpenguin> is it?
2008-01-01 19:36 < Aqwis2> i believe so
2008-01-01 19:36 < uberpenguin> it's a very good general purpose lens
2008-01-01 19:36 < NotASpy> there's plenty of Nikon lenses floating about, and if you don't have auto focus, you're not so obsessed with auto focus lenses, I'd say. As I say, I dislike Auto Focus, so I'm almost in the same boat.
2008-01-01 19:36 < Aqwis2> yes, it's fine
2008-01-01 19:36 < Aqwis2> i replaced it because it needed f/2.8
2008-01-01 19:37 < uberpenguin> I like auto focus, but you can live without it
2008-01-01 19:37 < bluefoxicy> "Metroid introduces many power-ups that are used through other games in the series. The morph ball power-up allows Samus to morph into a sphere, allowing her to roll through narrow passages, as well as placing bombs that can be used to damage foes or remove obstacles. Samus gains better jumping power and eventually the spin attack power-up (called the Screw Attack in later games), allowing her to jump to great heights as long a
2008-01-01 19:37 < bluefoxicy> s the player keeps her spinning, damaging foes that get in her way."
2008-01-01 19:37 < bluefoxicy> [[Metroid]]
2008-01-01 19:37 < bluefoxicy> the space jump was not in the first game ~_~
2008-01-01 19:37 < uberpenguin> the only place where it's a hiderance is if you only have second to get a shot, then it's no fun to fiddle with manual focus
2008-01-01 19:38 < uberpenguin> now, what's a really great general purpose lens is the nikon 18-200mm
2008-01-01 19:38 < uberpenguin> but that thing's about $700, and I don't have the cash for it
2008-01-01 19:38 < Aqwis2> i remember when it was impossible to get your hands on one of those
2008-01-01 19:39 < Aqwis2> nikon couldn't produce enough of it
2008-01-01 19:39 < uberpenguin> uh
2008-01-01 19:39 < uberpenguin> it's still hard to find
2008-01-01 19:39 < uberpenguin> I keep an eye on B&H and it's always out of stock
2008-01-01 19:39 < Aqwis2> yes, but back then you'd have to wait for months
2008-01-01 19:39 < uberpenguin> ah ha... but they have it in right now
2008-01-01 19:40 < uberpenguin> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/408518-GREY/Nikon_2159_18_200mm_f_3_5_5_6G_ED_IF_AF_S.html
2008-01-01 19:40 < uberpenguin> I'd sell off my 18-55mm and maybe one other lens to have that one
2008-01-01 19:41 < Aqwis2> there are also Sigma and Tamron 18-200mm but they're not quite as good opticaly
2008-01-01 19:41 < uberpenguin> ANYWHO... I still really like the D40 body
2008-01-01 19:41 < Aqwis2> although Sigma's has received a few awards i believe
2008-01-01 19:41 < uberpenguin> I'm sort of stuck on only Nikon lenses
2008-01-01 19:41 < Aqwis2> but they probably won't work with AF on a D40
2008-01-01 19:41 < uberpenguin> partially personal bias, though
2008-01-01 19:41 < uberpenguin> almost assuredly not
2008-01-01 19:41 < uberpenguin> again, it's not a huge limitation
2008-01-01 19:41 < uberpenguin> my prime lenses are MF on this body
2008-01-01 19:42 < uberpenguin> I'd say that the MF thing is the only real issue going against the D40
2008-01-01 19:42 < uberpenguin> otherwise it's, IMO, the best entry level SLR out there
2008-01-01 19:42 * Aqwis2 mainly uses a Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 EX DC and a Nikon 50mm f/1.8
2008-01-01 19:43 < uberpenguin> that's a nice fast lens... my 18-55mm only opens up to f/3.5, IIRC
2008-01-01 19:43 < Aqwis2> the Sigma used to be really expensive - $700 or so (in Norway of course)
2008-01-01 19:43 < uberpenguin> I have that 50mm f/1.8
2008-01-01 19:43 < uberpenguin> it's a nice one, though you need to be careful with the exposure metering with it... sometimes it tends to want to overexpose in my experience
2008-01-01 19:44 < Aqwis2> really?
2008-01-01 19:44 < uberpenguin> I think so... YMMV
2008-01-01 19:44 < Aqwis2> feels like it always underexposes to me =/
2008-01-01 19:44 < uberpenguin> heh
2008-01-01 19:44 < uberpenguin> well I setup most trickier shots manually anyway
2008-01-01 19:44 < IceKarma> de gustibus, etc.
2008-01-01 19:45 < Messedrocker> overexpose and you can get some really cool effect
2008-01-01 19:45 < Messedrocker> like, really overexpose
2008-01-01 19:45 < Messedrocker> like, expose for several seconds
2008-01-01 19:45 < Messedrocker> or an hour
2008-01-01 19:45 < Messedrocker> just set the camera down
2008-01-01 19:46 < Aqwis2> so the entire photo becomes #FFFFFF?
2008-01-01 19:46 < shimgray> I was about to say, conventionally, we call that "a white sheet of paper"
2008-01-01 19:46 < uberpenguin> yeah, with digital imaging that's just going to fully charge all the sensors
2008-01-01 19:47 < uberpenguin> aka 'white'
2008-01-01 19:47 < Lubaf> Why did Istaninople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Quirks!
2008-01-01 19:47 < Xihix> unce unce unce unce
2008-01-01 19:47 < Xihix> I love you all.
2008-01-01 19:48 < uberpenguin> I'd say my only two qualms with the D40 interface-wise are that it's a little bizarre the way you have to set ISO auto
2008-01-01 19:48 < uberpenguin> and that it takes some doing to see a three-color histogram
2008-01-01 19:48 < uberpenguin> but the interface on the D40 is still better than almost every canon I've used...
2008-01-01 19:48 < Vox_Humana_8> NotASpy - my dad's old Olympus has a 35-70mm lens, which I find a bit restrictive - the Nikon 18-55 gives the equivalent of 27-82.5, which I'd love - also, my dad has no intention of retiring the Olympus - Ideally, we'd be able to use both cams simultaneously